1800 watts Sealed and CO2 Enriched."A Teachers Learning Process"

Shrubs First

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Holy shit.

Well... Yes, I let mine dry out before I dump. I have roots popping out like fuzz all around, but nothing
like that. That is a fucking root CITY bro.
 
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Shrubs First said:
Holy shit.

Well... Yes, I let mine dry out before I dump. I have roots popping out like fuzz all around, but nothing
like that. That is a fucking root CITY bro.
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how much would you say with this process overall this enrichment of the room with c02 speeds up the growth process of the plants?
 
Shrubs First

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anonz said:
how much would you say with this process overall this enrichment of the room with c02 speeds up the growth process of the plants?
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Can't say I'd personally say it speeds up my growth. It certainly has increased my yields.

As long as you keep the levels stable and the entire environment is kept stable the plant is going
to ripen as fast as it is able.
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

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Thanks to our lil' conversation it influenced me to ph my girls water & nute solution for the first time in years. its been like 3 days and things are looking great.
 
Someguy15

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Snafu1236 said:
Dude, wtf? How do you water...drip system? Explanation needed, stat.
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Lol, it's in my sig bro. That came outta a Flood & drain table, watered 4x a day. Afgan Kush 8 weeks from 12/12. Was using H&G at the time + all additives according to the chart. Only thing I change is about half str shooting powder, they really pour it on.
 
Snafu1236

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Someguy15 said:
Lol, it's in my sig bro. That came outta a Flood & drain table, watered 4x a day. Afgan Kush 8 weeks from 12/12. Was using H&G at the time + all additives according to the chart. Only thing I change is about half str shooting powder, they really pour it on.
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Nice man, nice. Thanks for the reply.
 
Someguy15

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Question for ya shrubs...my local store says H&G is raising prices about 10 dollars/ea across their product line. I have been pricing out the Canna according to their schedule and the Boost is super expensive. I was thinking about using the entire canna aqua flores line and cutting the boost to half strength and only using it weeks 2-5. So my question is, in your experience is it worth using the boost lower than recommended? Should I just skip the boost and use the rest of the line? Or is it best to stick with H&G if I'm not using the boost?
 
Shrubs First

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Someguy15 said:
Question for ya shrubs...my local store says H&G is raising prices about 10 dollars/ea across their product line. I have been pricing out the Canna according to their schedule and the Boost is super expensive. I was thinking about using the entire canna aqua flores line and cutting the boost to half strength and only using it weeks 2-5. So my question is, in your experience is it worth using the boost lower than recommended? Should I just skip the boost and use the rest of the line? Or is it best to stick with H&G if I'm not using the boost?
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Haha, man that is crazy. Sounds like a bait and switch, they got so many people to switch companies for the better
price and now they raise it. Start out using Boost in small amounts. Definitely worth it.
 
Someguy15

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Shrubs First said:
Haha, man that is crazy. Sounds like a bait and switch, they got so many people to switch companies for the better
price and now they raise it. Start out using Boost in small amounts. Definitely worth it.
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Thanks for the insight man. Going to buy the 5L aqua flores set tomorrow. Should be about out of all of my H&G line by the end of this run.
 
Shrubs First

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Someguy15 said:
Thanks for the insight man. Going to buy the 5L aqua flores set tomorrow. Should be about out of all of my H&G line by the end of this run.
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You'll be one of the few switching from H&G to CANNA, considering everyone else is doing
the exact opposite currently. I'm curious to see what your thoughts are.
 
Someguy15

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Shrubs First said:
You'll be one of the few switching from H&G to CANNA, considering everyone else is doing
the exact opposite currently. I'm curious to see what your thoughts are.
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I already like their schedule better... highest EC is in week 3 and then a slight taper off, makes more sense to me than the H&G line which just builds and build until the last couple weeks with the shooting powder I'd be at 2.7EC (2.3 nutrient) and I just feel that is way damn high, even with low N.
 
Someguy15

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TrynaGroSumShyt said:
So as far as feeding goes. i should be feeding the heaviest at week 3-6. and not 5-End?
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Always worked well for me. When are the most significant changes happening on your plant structure wise? I have always been a believer you don't need a ton of nutes (or CO2 for that matter) to mature your plants. I am interested to get shrub's feedback on this, but I know he's typically a less is more kinda guy...and I tend to agree.

I am also referring specifically to flood and drain, I won't try to extrapolate to other styles because I honestly don't have enough experience.
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

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man, i feed at 100%-125% strenth of nute throughout my whole flowering period. I use
the fox farm liquid trio, Cha ching, Botanicare hydroplex. throughout the whole flower i use these the only thing that changes is that i stop using Grow Big after week 2. and start using chaching around week 6 as well as gravity. i go thru more nutes than i should, been thinkin i could slow down but dont want growth to stop. and i am in soiless medium.
 
Shrubs First

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Someguy15 said:
Always worked well for me. When are the most significant changes happening on your plant structure wise? I have always been a believer you don't need a ton of nutes (or CO2 for that matter) to mature your plants. I am interested to get shrub's feedback on this, but I know he's typically a less is more kinda guy...and I tend to agree.

I am also referring specifically to flood and drain, I won't try to extrapolate to other styles because I honestly don't have enough experience.
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Speaking strictly for coco.

I agree I like the schedule a lot. Although I'm not as abrupt as Canna recommends. As far as only adding pK13/14 for week three I agree with because I supplement with Aqua Flores B(?) throughout weeks 4, 5 and 6m which is a 0-4-4 and adds some Mo. I like to keep my plants looking as healthy as possible up until I flush. I recently bought a digital refractometer and will be seriously testing my brix levels of my buds and oils.

As far as lowering CO2. I haven't had the ability accurately do so at my home operation. My meter is very basic and is set to keep the PPM between 1300-1500 during the lights on. Not much I can do about it but I don't really suspect it is lowers quality as it has been stated by others. My Full Spectrum tested herb had CO2 up until the end and all came out stellar. Maybe it would have been better without it but that is pure conjecture and unlikely I think.

TrynaGroSumShyt said:
man, i feed at 100%-125% strenth of nute throughout my whole flowering period. I use
the fox farm liquid trio, Cha ching, Botanicare hydroplex. throughout the whole flower i use these the only thing that changes is that i stop using Grow Big after week 2. and start using chaching around week 6 as well as gravity. i go thru more nutes than i should, been thinkin i could slow down but dont want growth to stop. and i am in soiless medium.
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It's hard to tell someone to change methods, including lowering your fertilizer concentrations if you're not experiencing problems. If you're having solid yields, you're happy with your product and you are staying profitable/sustainable. In my experience building up the fertilizers throughout the entire process I have not had the best growth or yields. I do like the saying "less is more."
 
TrynaGroSumShyt

TrynaGroSumShyt

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Shrubs First said:
Speaking strictly for coco.

I agree I like the schedule a lot. Although I'm not as abrupt as Canna recommends. As far as only adding pK13/14 for week three I agree with because I supplement with Aqua Flores B(?) throughout weeks 4, 5 and 6m which is a 0-4-4 and adds some Mo. I like to keep my plants looking as healthy as possible up until I flush. I recently bought a digital refractometer and will be seriously testing my brix levels of my buds and oils.

As far as lowering CO2. I haven't had the ability accurately do so at my home operation. My meter is very basic and is set to keep the PPM between 1300-1500 during the lights on. Not much I can do about it but I don't really suspect it is lowers quality as it has been stated by others. My Full Spectrum tested herb had CO2 up until the end and all came out stellar. Maybe it would have been better without it but that is pure conjecture and unlikely I think.



It's hard to tell someone to change methods, including lowering your fertilizer concentrations if you're not experiencing problems. If you're having solid yields, you're happy with your product and you are staying profitable/sustainable. In my experience building up the fertilizers throughout the entire process I have not had the best growth or yields. I do like the saying "less is more."
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I'm open to the idea of not using full strength nutes all the way through flower. It's costly and nutes aint cheap. i agree with less is more because i don't think a plant can be pushed past a certain point. but i also always figured put more juice in, get more out. i'll try on my next run. i'm planning on doing alot of things different to increase production and efficiency, even considering going vertical.
 
Shrubs First

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Plants are looking great. Pruned em up and took the lowest growth off.







Slowly raising the EC. It was .4 today with a pH of 6.0 as usual.
 
Someguy15

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Lookin great man. Did u knock out those thrips successfully? They come and go for me, never seem to do too much dmg. I use spinosad on them, about 3 treatments over 2 weeks knocks em dead in their tracks. I prefer to only use it when no flower mass is present though. But I have found hitting them like this in veg almost seems to give them some systemic protection. Not 100% on that, but I have never had plants given this routine in veg end up with the thrips in flower. Dunno why I rambled that off randomly lol, hopefully it'll help some passer-by at least.
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