1st Grow 416w CFLs in 13cu ft

I would not worry about the males as I believe they don't release their pollen till later in life. Most likely when you push them into a 12/12 schedule when their pollen sacks start to swell.

Thanks. They have been on 12/12 for a little over a week. I'm still waiting on the 2 weaker plants I have left to show sex.

I would nt take a chance with any males. Besides, the sooner you identify them as makes the sober you can get them out of the garden. Free up some lumens for your females.

This box is definately a better fit for a 2 plant op. Much more room to work with and by the next grow I may reconfigure the light fixture for 2 plants. Want to keep the 12 bulbs on top so thinking of a new design. Even found a DIY cooltube design for 2 150w HPS bulbs (hmm seems difficult and wonder about the heat). And going to work some training into veg next time.

The concerns now are that the 2 left aren't showing sex and I think they are stressed/stunted. The nute burn on the topped plant has crept up to the top leaves although it doesn't look too major up top. I'm pissed the new leaves are showing spots though. The plant left from 2 in 1 pots seems scrawny and not doing too much. Hopefully, these babies will straighten out soon and show some pistles.

I didn't see any pictures of definitive males, Besides your plants aren't old enough to show preflowers yet anyway so how would you tell for sure. You need to give it more time and let them get older and bigger so you can be sure you are killing the males.

They have been on 12/12 for over a week. Believe me, I don't want to be trigger happy. Check page 4. That is the best pic of a male. Clear cluster o' nuts. The other plant and pic is on page 2, but you can't see it as well. The pics are there. It would be great if you could confirm!

Bit of decent news. The topped plant is still alive although not the prettiest or most healthy looking with it's burns. I saw one small pistle between the leaf shoot and calyx. The 2 in 1 pot plant that was left...I think I saw 2 tiny white hairs although the plant is now undergoing a little leaf curl. These female traits were both so small I'm not 100% and not even worth getting the camera out for. However, logic would tell me by the end of the week, I should be able to post pics of the sex. Not sure I'm gonna get much yield out of these, but want to get it to the end. I think i'm finally going to get some girls.

Well we have a couple of small white hairs on both plants and they are about 14' tall. They have been in flowering for about 2 weeks and are only showing a little on the top node...should I be worried that it is taking this long?

This part of the grow is pretty uneventful, but I wanted to keep the thread alive and get some commentary based on what has happened. The first pic is of pistles. About the most dramatic I have. Plants have been on 12/12 over 2 weeks, so they aren't moving fast as far as pistles but they are growing taller. The second pic is the 2 in one pot plant...the other plant in the pot was male and chopped at the stump. The pic on the right is the topped plant with 2 colas I nute burned. You can see I tore some of the really bad leaves off and the top looks ok. I think these plants are prob on the deficient side, so I bought some fox farms big bloom to try my hand at nuting again. I diluted to one teaspoon per gallon or 1/12 strength to be safe and just fed. The plants are about 16' tall. Any comments on budding time and how much taller they will get?

The first 3 pics are the topped plant (nute burned and fugly). The 2nd 3 pics are the 2 in1 pot plant I am tying down to try and keep the height down. The top leaves look heat stressed. I'm guessing it's because it's getting bigger and there is another set of roots in there from the other plant keeping water from efficiently getting to those top leaves?

I'm using my one bump

They don't really looked burned to me. Looks like your PH is off. And are you using calmag or epsom our anything like that?

The 2-in-1 pot is not burned. Done suprisingly well and only showed signs of the top leaves curling recently. My theory is this has something to do with the roots as it has gotten bigger and there is still the stump of the other plant in the pot. Wasn't an issue at 10'...becoming one at 20'? The topped plant is def nute burned. The camera makes it look better than it is and it has looked this way ever since I put those MG nutes on it (first time I nuted)

As far as PH...I dunno...it wasn't an issue until I MG'd it and I haven't been testing it. I use tap water through a PUR filter. I haven't used calmag or epsom, but I switched to Fox Farm Big Bloom (no more MG). Been going low dose and every other watering because of the MG soil. Has not seemed to really further agravate. I think the topped plant is going to be somewhat problematic no matter what. That's the issue with time released soil. You can only do so much and your constantly fighting to correct. Won't buy again. The top growths look ok, so I'm going to keep an eye on it.

The 2-in-1 plant. I'm not sure what to do about this leave curl. As long as I get some yield I don't care, because I will never put 2 plants in one pot again, but I hope the top going foward isn't screwed.

These are 3 weeks into flower. I'm not sure if I'm on average time for bud development or behind? Also I put these things on 12/12 at 9-10" thinking double height plus some fudge factor. In 3 weeks they are 17-19" and I am tying them down! Do you think they will get much taller now that flowering has really begun? I only have about 6" more for them. Def flowering at a lower height next time with LST.

Sorry I have not posted, but I misplaced my camera and blew out my ankle so I have been out of pocket. I found my camera and can walk again. 2 things have happened:

1) Further nute burn: This MG soil is just not forgiving once this starts no matter how much you dilute your nutes (you might was well just stop nuting for the remainder of the grow. Time released ferts are the devil!)
2) I left town to find out the heater in the condo was blowing at 85 all weekend, which shot the cab up to 96 degrees for 2 and a half days. As a result of this and nute burn, 80% of my foliage either fell off or is in bad shape. You can see there are no big fan leaves left.

The good news is we have been flowering over 7 weeks and I will get onto the next grow soon with my new wisdom. Here are the pics. We have bud, however, the yield is obviously not going to be what it could have been and I'm worried the smoke will be harsh.

Trying to get pics of the bud

Damn that sucks on both accounts. It looks less like nute burn and more like PH lock out to me. The necrosis starting in the viens.

Can you expand on that? The problem started with nuting and got worse with it. Can this cause lockout? It was fine until that point. I'm doing another grow and if it is more than just bad soil and nute issues I'd like to be on the look out. Thanks!

Certain nutes become locked out in the form of indissolvable salts at certain PHs. What is your PH right now?

I don't have a PH reader (next grow), but I think I get what you are saying. The soil is becoming increasingly compact as well. I think the poor quality of the soil + the nutes caused the PH to jump out of balance. As I said, all was well until nuting. Adding nutes to hot soil probably pushed the PH out of range? What do you think? I think on the next grow I'm using fox farms soil and waiting longer to begin feeding and going to be very conservative. It's a shame $15 on soil could have caused all of this, but lesson learned. Any tips on finishing what I have? Starting 8th week of flower.

I made a lot of mistakes, but I decided to finish the grow and finish this thread with harvest pics. A lot of woulda, shoulda, coulda on this one. Sorry it has been a while, but there was really nothing new to post. I took a sample smoke of this bagseed. Hardly, the thrilla killa but better than most schwag. Heavy indica with creeper traits.