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Hmm on an 8 week strain, with conoisseur for the first 3 weeks, I would guess it was what gave you the tight nodes.

Maybe the sensi will do it too.
 
TheLastWood said:
Hmm on an 8 week strain, with conoisseur for the first 3 weeks, I would guess it was what gave you the tight nodes.

Maybe the sensi will do it too.
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Yup. That was my thought, as well. I mean, I know the Connoiseur did it. The question is, is there some secret sauce in the Connoiseur that's not in the Sensi. I have 36 plants put into bloom on the 3rd. We'll be finding out in about a week if I fucked up in switching to Sensi. I was still very pleased in how the Sensi finished the buds out. Even so, if the bud set isn't as good with the Sensi, I'll go to the Connoiseur right away. Even though it will be too late on the set, if it's really that good, I want to see what it does in the later stages. I hate the fact that I'm pushing AN products. At least I can still shit talk their over-the-top amount of additives.
 
I've never bought, used or researched AN. I know nothin about it except its expensive, they have 3 of everything just in different bottles, and 90% of ppl hate them.

Good luck tho, hope the sensi works out for u.
 
mellokitty said:
the wedding is still off.
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It was just a matter of time before you came charging in the door, chainsaw in hand. Why do you think I said I was dreading this topic. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I have a huge yield from AN in one hand, and my best online growing buddy, Kitty, on the other. What's a motherfucker to do?
 
collective gardener said:
It was just a matter of time before you came charging in the door, chainsaw in hand. Why do you think I said I was dreading this topic. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I have a huge yield from AN in one hand, and my best online growing buddy, Kitty, on the other. What's a motherfucker to do?
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chainsaw? no, this is more like you just came home to a beeeyooootifully prepared meal, right up to and including homemade chocolate-dipped-strawberry-cheesecake, and kitty glowering in the dark in a french maid's outfit and runny makeup quietly asking where you've been all night.

i'm not super concerned. you've only just started your nute experiment extravaganza. ;)
 
mellokitty said:
chainsaw? no, this is more like you just came home to a beeeyooootifully prepared meal, right up to and including homemade chocolate-dipped-strawberry-cheesecake, and kitty glowering in the dark in a french maid's outfit and runny makeup quietly asking where you've been all night.

i'm not super concerned. you've only just started your nute experiment extravaganza. ;)
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haha..........................you got you hands full CG
 
mellokitty said:
chainsaw? no, this is more like you just came home to a beeeyooootifully prepared meal, right up to and including homemade chocolate-dipped-strawberry-cheesecake, and kitty glowering in the dark in a french maid's outfit and runny makeup quietly asking where you've been all night.

i'm not super concerned. you've only just started your nute experiment extravaganza. ;)
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OK OK...I give up. I'll throw it all away tomorrow...and the plants fed with it. Down with AN. How DARE you play the runny makeup card?
 
collective gardener said:
I've always felt that if you're not growing live soil organic, there's no need for carbs to feed a microherd that isn't there. This is the same reason I wouldn't use AN's Pirahna, Tarantula, and any other bio's in the line. I have tried to mix chem nutes with myco's, fungi, and bacterias (along with carbs to feed them all) with zero improvements. But, when growing live soil organic, these additives are the life blood of the medium. I think that these additives should be classified in AN's Organic line. I also question AN's repetition of magnesium sulfate in Bud Candy and Bud Factor X (and I think one more). Maybe there's more to these than the mag sulfate listed, but they really should say so. Instead of paying $92 for a liter of Bud Factor X (with just ,5% mag), I went with my old standby Cutting Edge Mag Amp with 1% mag at $25/liter.

I am very pleased with the results from the AN nutes I used. I still am very conservative over what $$$ I will spend on additives. I can't help but feeling that there's a big hard dick aimed right at my ass, just waiting for me to slip up and take the monetary ass rape of a lifetime. For the time being, I'm sticking with Sensi Bloom (maybe back to Connoiser), Big Bud, B-52, and Overdrive. These are what gave me the killer results on the harvest being trimmed right now. The only unknown is how much the Connoiser helped. I used it for the first 3 weeks of bloom till I ran out...then switched to Sensi Bloom. If it was the Connoiseur that gave me the node spacing, I'd have no problem paying up for that in the future. The increase in yield just from the tighter nodes added up to several thousand dollars.
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I've had contrary results, but with a crop the size of yours I can see why you are skeptical and hesitant to gamble. I have always noticed a difference with carbohydrate products, despite my method of growing. Granted I do everything like a soil grower, as I am, but I have played around with lots of different mediums. My living rockwool experiment got canned by the way, ended up being a herm, I was sexing a few clones for a friend and 1 ended up being herm, 1 ended up male, and 1 ended up female, with only 1 female to experiment with it was hardly worth it, so they were all thrown in the trash. But personally, I am not impressed with the microbe products from AN, not a lot of bang for your buck when I have so many other choices But using microbe products alone with synthetics is pretty useless on its own, come to think of it. My results have always been because of my tea products, my microbes can survive at all in a synthetic nutrient solution without a strong home base, and that is my tea. I have always seen explosive results from adding tea to any kind of line up, the roots do not lie. I know you haven't had the opportunity to get in on the fun, but there are lots of easy, inexpensive, and effective recipes here on RIU, might as well add that to the experimentation. Tea really helps stretch your nutes too, I have saved a buttload of money with it as well. Infact, I really like the Liquid Carboload for making tea, but blackstrap molasses is usually my fungi food of choice.

Magnesium Sulfate in any form has been an ally for me with almost every product line up I have used that doesn't already include a supplement for it. But using microbe products alone with synthetics is pretty useless on its own, come to think of it. A
 
so check this shit out CG my local shop carrys AN and isnt a big pusher of it but they do carry all there nute line! chillin with the shop
owner and he gets a phone call from a VP in sale from AN, and to cut to the chase they say thank you for your bisness and sales of
nutes but they would like him to start carry the badass line of AN products! well he and I know those products are shit and you would
be crazy to buy them! so he politley says no thanks, then they say as of the 1st of oct to carry any AN products you must carry all of
them! likw wtf!!!!!!! so he blows his top and tells them to go fuck themselfs lol was the funnyest shit ever. well they do know how to
market/push there products :(
 
collective gardener said:
OK OK...I give up. I'll throw it all away tomorrow...and the plants fed with it. Down with AN. How DARE you play the runny makeup card?
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Wha--? I'll pay for shipping...send ME the nutrients lol.
sorry but between a married woman and buds...it's kindof a no brainer lol
Besides, I always assume everyone on the Internet is a 40 year old, bald man. hehe
 
hellraizer30 said:
so check this shit out CG my local shop carrys AN and isnt a big pusher of it but they do carry all there nute line! chillin with the shop
owner and he gets a phone call from a VP in sale from AN, and to cut to the chase they say thank you for your bisness and sales of
nutes but they would like him to start carry the badass line of AN products! well he and I know those products are shit and you would
be crazy to buy them! so he politley says no thanks, then they say as of the 1st of oct to carry any AN products you must carry all of
them! likw wtf!!!!!!! so he blows his top and tells them to go fuck themselfs lol was the funnyest shit ever. well they do know how to
market/push there products :(
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I know exactly what you speak of. AN pulled that shit with my local hydro shop, too. They put up a little Bad Ass display in the corner. Of the 2 or 3 Bad Ass units that sold, half came back within a month. My hydro shop owner passed that info on to AN, along with notice that they would no longer display Bad Ass products. They keep like 2 ballasts, 2 inlines, and 2 fans on a shelf in the back warehouse. In exchange for the display, my hydro shop owner just agreed to put up 3 Bad Ass posters.

I also got my grimy little hands on the Advanced Nutrients sales records for the past 3 years in my local store. It's a pretty good indicator of what everybody else is doing with the nutes. Obviously, Sensi Bloom and Big Bud are number one. Alot of people paying up for the Bud Factor X as well. My friend who uses pretty much the whole line swears by that shit. He said there was a big yield improvement when he started using the Bud Factor X, and that there's more to it than just magnesium sulfate.

On a side note, my room almost burned down yesterday. I'm still working offshore, but my wife was there when a cheap lighting timer failed and caused the power cord plug to melt, and then start throwing flames. Lots of drama. She said all 12 of the timers are very hot, as well as 3 plugs. We ordered 2 CAP 8 light controlllers that Commercial J will install for me today in I am not back from fishing. Also found out that Phantom Ballasts can operate on a voltage from 90 volts to 275 volts. I was running 110v because my 220 leg is only 190 volts. This killed 3 Lumatek ballasts. But, now all my ballasts are Phantom, and I'm going to the 220V leg...even though it's just 190v.
 
oh my.
that's hella scary.
thank goodness she was there before it started...... (i almost burned my apartment building, back in the day... was really happy i'd called in sick that day :lol:)
 
speaking of disasters.. I flooded my floor yesterday with 25 gallons of nutrient....
ebay has battery powered floor moisture sensors with LOUD beeping for like $3.50 a piece.. I ordered a bunch for everywhere....
 
collective gardener said:
I know exactly what you speak of. AN pulled that shit with my local hydro shop, too. They put up a little Bad Ass display in the corner. Of the 2 or 3 Bad Ass units that sold, half came back within a month. My hydro shop owner passed that info on to AN, along with notice that they would no longer display Bad Ass products. They keep like 2 ballasts, 2 inlines, and 2 fans on a shelf in the back warehouse. In exchange for the display, my hydro shop owner just agreed to put up 3 Bad Ass posters.

I also got my grimy little hands on the Advanced Nutrients sales records for the past 3 years in my local store. It's a pretty good indicator of what everybody else is doing with the nutes. Obviously, Sensi Bloom and Big Bud are number one. Alot of people paying up for the Bud Factor X as well. My friend who uses pretty much the whole line swears by that shit. He said there was a big yield improvement when he started using the Bud Factor X, and that there's more to it than just magnesium sulfate.

On a side note, my room almost burned down yesterday. I'm still working offshore, but my wife was there when a cheap lighting timer failed and caused the power cord plug to melt, and then start throwing flames. Lots of drama. She said all 12 of the timers are very hot, as well as 3 plugs. We ordered 2 CAP 8 light controlllers that Commercial J will install for me today in I am not back from fishing. Also found out that Phantom Ballasts can operate on a voltage from 90 volts to 275 volts. I was running 110v because my 220 leg is only 190 volts. This killed 3 Lumatek ballasts. But, now all my ballasts are Phantom, and I'm going to the 220V leg...even though it's just 190v.
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Hey cg i use those MLC8 and there awsome never a issue
 
Wow lot's of drama.
Sucks that the timers went out, good think your wife was there.
Offshore fishing, how far from the coast?

Where do you keep your Sativa genetics? I know you have some, I'm interested in the way you preserve THIS batch, not the regular tahoes and such.
 
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