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I always get my genetics online.
If you pick a quality seed company like TH Seeds you rarely have disappointment.

Everything ive grew from them has flowered in the amount of time they say, looked, smelled, grew and had the potency that they claim too. Also theyve really got there strains down to a few phenos. So when you get a ten pack you get to see and chose the perfect ones.

Also TH Seeds pride themselves in using regular seeds because of the strength they have. Although they have a some feminized seeds which have yet to hermie on me, there regular seeds are what a real grower will invest in to find the strongest most stable mothers there are.

Try there The HOG or SAGE seeds. They are a real production plant without losing a bit of potency with strong roots and fast growth/flower.

But thats just my 2 cents. It makes me sad hearing that its so difficult to get real clones from a medical store.

OH! one more thing. i was wondering how the advanced nutrients are treating you?
ive heard some good and bad things about them, mostly about changing there formula or watering down there products.
ive been looking and theres so many people i feel are too bias one way or the other
so id love some actual facts from someone switching to advanced as there new nute so it can be compared without bias. Especially someone with such a large set up.

Keep up the good work!!!
Everythings lookin good

Yeah, it was the first time I've gone outside my cirlce of friends to get a different strain. Either they wouldn't give up the GDP or they didn't have it. Needless to say I'll just go with 200 seeds of GDP to get what I'm looking for lol.
-I.MJ

budbro18 said:

I always get my genetics online.
If you pick a quality seed company like TH Seeds you rarely have disappointment.

Everything ive grew from them has flowered in the amount of time they say, looked, smelled, grew and had the potency that they claim too. Also theyve really got there strains down to a few phenos. So when you get a ten pack you get to see and chose the perfect ones.

Also TH Seeds pride themselves in using regular seeds because of the strength they have. Although they have a some feminized seeds which have yet to hermie on me, there regular seeds are what a real grower will invest in to find the strongest most stable mothers there are.

Try there The HOG or SAGE seeds. They are a real production plant without losing a bit of potency with strong roots and fast growth/flower.

But thats just my 2 cents. It makes me sad hearing that its so difficult to get real clones from a medical store.

OH! one more thing. i was wondering how the advanced nutrients are treating you?
ive heard some good and bad things about them, mostly about changing there formula or watering down there products.
ive been looking and theres so many people i feel are too bias one way or the other
so id love some actual facts from someone switching to advanced as there new nute so it can be compared without bias. Especially someone with such a large set up.

Keep up the good work!!!
Everythings lookin good

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Luckly, I'm all set on genetics. 2 Pre-98 Bubba Phenos and our Tahoe OG x 91 Chemdog are all I need to de what we do. I was speaking to the folks searching for GREAT genetics. Seed companies can provide good genetics, but the primo stuff is still traded between friends. Fortunately, totally stabilized seeds do not exist. This gives us a chance to find some real good stuff if enough seeds are tried. I agree with you on feminized seeds...I wouldn't touch them.

My experience with Advanced has been quite good so far. The best results were actually from alternating between AN and Cutting edge every other day. That's cheaper, too. After I get this crop out we'll be starting some real nute tests. I have enough Grotek and Roots Organic to pit those against AN and CE. I can tell you that AN Bud Ignitor does not seem to make any difference. I do not use it, and a friend does. We grow the same cuts. It's 2 different rooms, which isn't the best way to test, but his bud set was no different that mine. The key to AN is figuring out what additives really work, and which ones are snake juice. Currently we use Sensi Bloom, Big Bud, B-52, Cutting Edge Mag Amp, and Yellow Bottle Final the last week with the flush. The last crop we started with Connoiseur instead of Sensi Bloom and the Connoiseur worked better...better enough to justify the cost increase. That was the crop we alternated with CE nutes. So, it could be the Connoiseur or the addition of CE that improved the results. Either way, I'm going back to Connoiseur as a base and alternating days with CE. The CE costs 1/4 what the AN costs. I have a feeling that whatever secret sauce is in the AN is just as effective used every other day as everyday.

Once this crop is out, we'll be able to do some real nute tests. I'll post the whole thing. I've been puting off testing because we've been so busy just getting the basics dialed in. Now I want to start looking for those 5% and 10% yield improvers.

InsaneMJ said:

Yeah, it was the first time I've gone outside my cirlce of friends to get a different strain. Either they wouldn't give up the GDP or they didn't have it. Needless to say I'll just go with 200 seeds of GDP to get what I'm looking for lol.
-I.MJ

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That's very smart of you to start with 200 seeds. Done right, a 200 seed test should give you a very nice pheno. I can't wait to see what you come up with. Good Luck!!!

^^^ Not that it matters in Cali but know for a fact the Colorado med center is selling good cuts namely 2 of mine gifted to bros who grow for it . They sell them with my full support as I do not offer my cuts for sale or like to clone for others...
They offer my cut of Sweetooth #3 it is the highest thc strain I have at 17-23%
Also my Cindy -99 witch I had to ask for back cuz I though the a-13 was better but not in the long run as the pineapple smell purple hues of the c-99 sell better and taste better but the high is crazy... It is like eight or twelve years old from brothers Grimm stock a gift from GRIMEY of overgrow.com the first elite I collected glad the boys are spreading real cuts .. I have heard (correct me if this second hand info is wrong ) but I hear the manager at the medical beach kush club sells clones of real cuts but they are his own genetics...

Joedank said:

^^^ Not that it matters in Cali but know for a fact the Colorado med center is selling good cuts namely 2 of mine gifted to bros who grow for it . They sell them with my full support as I do not offer my cuts for sale or like to clone for others...
They offer my cut of Sweetooth #3 it is the highest thc strain I have at 17-23%
Also my Cindy -99 witch I had to ask for back cuz I though the a-13 was better but not in the long run as the pineapple smell purple hues of the c-99 sell better and taste better but the high is crazy... It is like eight or twelve years old from brothers Grimm stock a gift from GRIMEY of overgrow.com the first elite I collected glad the boys are spreading real cuts .. I have heard (correct me if this second hand info is wrong ) but I hear the manager at the medical beach kush club sells clones of real cuts but they are his own genetics...

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It doesn't suprise me that Colo has some folks wanting to do it right. Here in LA, we're so short sighted and cutthroat it's pathetic. I'm sure that we have the best genetics in the world (here in the state), but most people are out to get there's. In a way, I'm one of those people. I will not let any live plants leave my grow. But, I wouldn't sell cuts I knew were bad just to jack up other people's grow ops.

I like many things that Colorado do. One thing I do not like is their law keeping anyone with a criminal history out of the medical marijuana industry. The best growers I know ALL have criminal histories. I understand what they are trying to do. But, forbiding ex-cons from being in the industry just forces them into the black market. Wouldn't it be better to have them all out in the open where an eye can be kept on them? It's the double edged sword of regulation. Heavy regulation may suck, but notice that Colorado didn't get hit with the Fed crackdown.

There is a huge vacuum in the clone market. Someone could make a ton of money operating a QUALITY clone shop. I think the clones would be better off if they were cut to order. There's only a small window between being rooted enough for transplant and being too rooted for a macro plug. Clones cut to order would be in that perfect zone at pickup. This could solve the biggest prob I've seen with commercial clones...the fact that more than half DIE. The other problem is depending on vendors for your cuts. A quality clone shop would either grow all its own mothers, or only deal with PROVEN vendors. The shop should also bloom out clones from vendors on a regular basis to protect its customers. It would be far better to offer healthy clones of just 3-4 great strains than a huge variety of crap. I can't imagine the stampede if I were to offer my Pre-98 cuts for like $20/ea. BUT, I can't do that right now. Maybe once I move on to a new strain I could make some money selling off the Bubba. It's such a great plant to grow...I really can't imagine finding anything I'd rather work with anytime soon.

CG, I'm sure you know this, but just incase..

Plants need to be hardened off when switching between any environment..
This means taking plants from the clone shop's veg room, outdoors to a vehicle, into a new building, and put in your controlled environment, scares the holy piss out of them.

Treat them like rare orchids, and I'm sure they'd live at least a little more.

Not aimed to offend

collective gardener said:

Luckly, I'm all set on genetics. 2 Pre-98 Bubba Phenos and our Tahoe OG x 91 Chemdog are all I need to de what we do. I was speaking to the folks searching for GREAT genetics. Seed companies can provide good genetics, but the primo stuff is still traded between friends. Fortunately, totally stabilized seeds do not exist. This gives us a chance to find some real good stuff if enough seeds are tried. I agree with you on feminized seeds...I wouldn't touch them.

My experience with Advanced has been quite good so far. The best results were actually from alternating between AN and Cutting edge every other day. That's cheaper, too. After I get this crop out we'll be starting some real nute tests. I have enough Grotek and Roots Organic to pit those against AN and CE. I can tell you that AN Bud Ignitor does not seem to make any difference. I do not use it, and a friend does. We grow the same cuts. It's 2 different rooms, which isn't the best way to test, but his bud set was no different that mine. The key to AN is figuring out what additives really work, and which ones are snake juice. Currently we use Sensi Bloom, Big Bud, B-52, Cutting Edge Mag Amp, and Yellow Bottle Final the last week with the flush. The last crop we started with Connoiseur instead of Sensi Bloom and the Connoiseur worked better...better enough to justify the cost increase. That was the crop we alternated with CE nutes. So, it could be the Connoiseur or the addition of CE that improved the results. Either way, I'm going back to Connoiseur as a base and alternating days with CE. The CE costs 1/4 what the AN costs. I have a feeling that whatever secret sauce is in the AN is just as effective used every other day as everyday.

Once this crop is out, we'll be able to do some real nute tests. I'll post the whole thing. I've been puting off testing because we've been so busy just getting the basics dialed in. Now I want to start looking for those 5% and 10% yield improvers.

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Great to hear! id do anything for a pre 98 bubba clone and keep it forever. regardless of how good my other strains got

And i cant wait to see that comparison. have you heard of the million dollar challenge by AN??

talk about puttin your money where your mouth is.

Also they recently released jungle juice as a 3 part base nute
Its some of the cheapest stuff out there but with the same strength that there other products claim, minus the pH perfect, which takes about a tsp of ph up/down to fix anyway.
i havent seen much on it from growers but AN talk it up like there regular products.
Try adding that to the comparison when you get around to it.

Any pictures to post??? Havent seen any in a while. its probably hard with so many plants you could probably shoot a movie haha

I have heard of the million dollar challange. I'm not too big a fan of Big Mike and his blow hard attitude. They rolled out that Jungle Juice as a direct challange to General Hydroponics Flora 3 part. It contains the same stuff. But, AN added a bunch of aminos and shit. I actually like the PH Pefect component in AN's nutes. It's very stable and keeps the PH in the zone even overnight in the rockwool block...which is rare. I'm not too interested in testing Jungle Juice. I'm really looking for high performance nutes, and even AN calls Jungle Juice a "basic" nute.

I know there's a bunch of Advanced Nutrient haters out there. I used to lead the charge. I still don't care for the company or Big Mike. But there's a few things they're doing right. The PH Perfect is great, but the best thing they've done is to get the phosphorous out of the bloom nutes. People think they need a bunch of P...they don't. The only reason nute companies put a bunch of P in the bloom nute is because the market demands it. Plants don't need anywhere close to that much P. They use far more calcium than P. Advanced took a stand and started making bloom food with low P numbers and very high K numbers. Other companies should follow suit. I was told by my friend in the nute business that P should NEVER be higher than N.

So there's my Advanced pitch for the day. Today begins the Grotek Nute Challange. 3 plants vs 3 plants. They went into bloom yesterday, were flushed, and will get their first Grotek feeding today. Our camera bit the dust. Once I replace it (gimme a couple days) I can take pics of the 6 plants involved in the Grotek Challange. Stay tuned...

collective gardener said:

I have heard of the million dollar challange. I'm not too big a fan of Big Mike and his blow hard attitude. They rolled out that Jungle Juice as a direct challange to General Hydroponics Flora 3 part. It contains the same stuff. But, AN added a bunch of aminos and shit. I actually like the PH Pefect component in AN's nutes. It's very stable and keeps the PH in the zone even overnight in the rockwool block...which is rare. I'm not too interested in testing Jungle Juice. I'm really looking for high performance nutes, and even AN calls Jungle Juice a "basic" nute.

I know there's a bunch of Advanced Nutrient haters out there. I used to lead the charge. I still don't care for the company or Big Mike. But there's a few things they're doing right. The PH Perfect is great, but the best thing they've done is to get the phosphorous out of the bloom nutes. People think they need a bunch of P...they don't. The only reason nute companies put a bunch of P in the bloom nute is because the market demands it. Plants don't need anywhere close to that much P. They use far more calcium than P. Advanced took a stand and started making bloom food with low P numbers and very high K numbers. Other companies should follow suit. I was told by my friend in the nute business that P should NEVER be higher than N.

So there's my Advanced pitch for the day. Today begins the Grotek Nute Challange. 3 plants vs 3 plants. They went into bloom yesterday, were flushed, and will get their first Grotek feeding today. Our camera bit the dust. Once I replace it (gimme a couple days) I can take pics of the 6 plants involved in the Grotek Challange. Stay tuned...

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Nice looking operation your setting up here. I like that your really researching your stuff before you dive in. Although that's sensible when your not operating at the hobby level, business ventures call for business plans. Subscribed for one hell of a show!

(and I agree, high P comes from the days of soil growing. I'm always looking for a 5-6 or a 13/14 ect. Mag & Cal are used by MJ like crazy, like they should almost be primary nutes lol)

Damn sucks to hear people getting fucked up cuts. Sad shit.

I luckily have got connections for strains but I did get a pre98 cut from the club that I just harvested. Has many charcteristics of bubba but is very dif at the same time. Either way it came out real good. Lots of trichs, great taste/smell and very nice high. Doesn't knock me on myass like my platinum bubba doe.

U wouldn't happen to have any pre98 pics so I can compare too?

collective gardener said:

I have heard of the million dollar challange. I'm not too big a fan of Big Mike and his blow hard attitude. They rolled out that Jungle Juice as a direct challange to General Hydroponics Flora 3 part. It contains the same stuff. But, AN added a bunch of aminos and shit. I actually like the PH Pefect component in AN's nutes. It's very stable and keeps the PH in the zone even overnight in the rockwool block...which is rare. I'm not too interested in testing Jungle Juice. I'm really looking for high performance nutes, and even AN calls Jungle Juice a "basic" nute.

I know there's a bunch of Advanced Nutrient haters out there. I used to lead the charge. I still don't care for the company or Big Mike. But there's a few things they're doing right. The PH Perfect is great, but the best thing they've done is to get the phosphorous out of the bloom nutes. People think they need a bunch of P...they don't. The only reason nute companies put a bunch of P in the bloom nute is because the market demands it. Plants don't need anywhere close to that much P. They use far more calcium than P. Advanced took a stand and started making bloom food with low P numbers and very high K numbers. Other companies should follow suit. I was told by my friend in the nute business that P should NEVER be higher than N.

So there's my Advanced pitch for the day. Today begins the Grotek Nute Challange. 3 plants vs 3 plants. They went into bloom yesterday, were flushed, and will get their first Grotek feeding today. Our camera bit the dust. Once I replace it (gimme a couple days) I can take pics of the 6 plants involved in the Grotek Challange. Stay tuned...

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Oh man. Now I have a moral dilemma, I've been clubbing fools upside the head for weeks in a couple other threads about AN. Now what's a brother to do? Don't want to club CG at all...

I stay far away from an. Why try to wade ur way through their 30 diff products when 3 to 5 bottles of any other line is all you need. I dislike businesses that intentionally try to confuse their customers into buying more bottles. Not hating, just adding my 2c.

Im against AN methods aswell but if you dont follow the hype and stay with there base nutes and b52/big bud or kushie kush
You cant go rong, best yield to date with that

lostNug said:

Damn sucks to hear people getting fucked up cuts. Sad shit.

I luckily have got connections for strains but I did get a pre98 cut from the club that I just harvested. Has many charcteristics of bubba but is very dif at the same time. Either way it came out real good. Lots of trichs, great taste/smell and very nice high. Doesn't knock me on myass like my platinum bubba doe.

U wouldn't happen to have any pre98 pics so I can compare too?

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Sadly found this looking for a Headband grow to study..
Assholes these days and their storefronts.

Hey CG, I was wondering what your opinion of the new reality show called Weed Wars starting in December is? (The show is following the Oakland Harborside Health Center, it says it is one of the biggest dispensary) I know you put a very large premium on not drawing too much attention to yourself so you don't get busted. It seems like this guy is doing the opposite. I live in the south so I can't wait to watch the show, b/c i don't get to see anything about the legal MJ industry except what I read here. If the show can focus on the true benefits of MJ it might help take the stigma away from it. I really hope the show can do some good, I would love to see the industry legalized. I'm rambling, but one of the main problems is the way the DEA categorizes MJ, it makes it impossible or nearly impossible for scientist to actually study MJ in the lab. Anyway, I'm excited for the show, but I do worry about them being shut down by the feds if the show gets too popular. The government will do anything it seems to keep MJ illegal and taboo so they can protect big pharma. On a separate note, hope all is well in the grow, can't wait for some pictures, and keep up the good work in your efforts to bring meds to needy people.

SomeGuy,
Yeah...magnesium and K are my big fight. Getting that ballance right is my only challange right now.

LostNug,
There are dozens of Pre-98 pics on this thread. Any pic labled "bubba" is our pre-98.

Wolverine,
I agree with you. I hate myself for using AN. I'll club me for you. The company is Satan. BUT, the shit works FAR better than anything else I've ever used. My yield didn't just go up a little, either. Like Hellraizer, I just use Sensi Bloom, Big Bud, and B-52 from the AN line. I also add magnesium sulfate in larger and larger doses as we get deeper into bloom. 3 bottles isn't that bad. I do believe that 1/2 their shit is snake oil. I wouldn't buy any of their biological shit. We're testing the GroTek line right now. I also want to test a couple plants using the entire AN line (less the biologicals).

My camera is busted. I'll get a new one tomorrow. The room looks pretty good right now. Totally full. Time to add on....

caesar23 said:

Hey CG, I was wondering what your opinion of the new reality show called Weed Wars starting in December is? (The show is following the Oakland Harborside Health Center, it says it is one of the biggest dispensary) I know you put a very large premium on not drawing too much attention to yourself so you don't get busted. It seems like this guy is doing the opposite. I live in the south so I can't wait to watch the show, b/c i don't get to see anything about the legal MJ industry except what I read here. If the show can focus on the true benefits of MJ it might help take the stigma away from it. I really hope the show can do some good, I would love to see the industry legalized. I'm rambling, but one of the main problems is the way the DEA categorizes MJ, it makes it impossible or nearly impossible for scientist to actually study MJ in the lab. Anyway, I'm excited for the show, but I do worry about them being shut down by the feds if the show gets too popular. The government will do anything it seems to keep MJ illegal and taboo so they can protect big pharma. On a separate note, hope all is well in the grow, can't wait for some pictures, and keep up the good work in your efforts to bring meds to needy people.

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I saw the previews for this show and cant wait til it starts. Setting my DVR ASAP hahaha

Also im excited to see it because the Discovery Channel is airing it. They usually dont take sides and show things exactly how they are. And theres already so much attention drawn to MMJ. Shit theres been even more lately not because MMJ at all but all those JWH fake weeds, bath salts, and fake X that are all more harmfull than the actual drugs theyre trying to copy.
Most people in my area are becoming more open to the possibility of MMJ due to the number of deaths/crimes associated with these new drugs. Theyve only been around for a little but already have more deaths and controversy than the thousands and thousands of years that weeds been around.

And tv has really taken the taboo out of alot of things. Look at the history channel. They took walking into a pawn shop, which are usually crappy looking places with everyones lost dreams in them as theyre trying to get the last few dollars out of something to get food or rent, into a luxurious game show like place where you bargin and talk facts with an intelligent clean cut guy. If any of you have been in a pawn shop in a large city you know its nothing like this.

So hopefully since the Discovery Channel is bringing this show around everyone can see the injustices legal MMJ patients face because the DEA doesnt find it fit to obey STATE LAW.
It will hopefully lighten the taboo that people who smoke weed are all lazy good for nothings like our parents/grandparents think.

ALSO CG:

I was just looking through forum after forum trying to find the an nutrients that actually work
i also think they are evil but some of there products just work

I use Fox Farm and Earth Juice usually because im not about weight as much as resin/turpine production. But lately ive been wanting to increase weight and knew advanced had a thousand of bud "increasers".

So thanks for the advice on the nutes that actually work
Do you know a rough percentage of increase you got from using those???

Keep up the good grow!!!

budbro18 said:

I saw the previews for this show and cant wait til it starts. Setting my DVR ASAP hahaha

Also im excited to see it because the Discovery Channel is airing it. They usually dont take sides and show things exactly how they are. And theres already so much attention drawn to MMJ. Shit theres been even more lately not because MMJ at all but all those JWH fake weeds, bath salts, and fake X that are all more harmfull than the actual drugs theyre trying to copy.

Most people in my area are becoming more open to the possibility of MMJ due to the number of deaths/crimes associated with these new drugs. Theyve only been around for a little but already have more deaths and controversy than the thousands and thousands of years that weeds been around.

And tv has really taken the taboo out of alot of things. Look at the history channel. They took walking into a pawn shop, which are usually crappy looking places with everyones lost dreams in them as theyre trying to get the last few dollars out of something to get food or rent, into a luxurious game show like place where you bargin and talk facts with an intelligent clean cut guy. If any of you have been in a pawn shop in a large city you know its nothing like this.

So hopefully since the Discovery Channel is bringing this show around everyone can see the injustices legal MMJ patients face because the DEA doesnt find it fit to obey STATE LAW.
It will hopefully lighten the taboo that people who smoke weed are all lazy good for nothings like our parents/grandparents think.

ALSO CG:

I was just looking through forum after forum trying to find the an nutrients that actually work
i also think they are evil but some of there products just work

I use Fox Farm and Earth Juice usually because im not about weight as much as resin/turpine production. But lately ive been wanting to increase weight and knew advanced had a thousand of bud "increasers".

So thanks for the advice on the nutes that actually work
Do you know a rough percentage of increase you got from using those???

Keep up the good grow!!!

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I too would like to know, because I use VooDoo Juice, Nirvana, B-52, & Liquid CarboLoad.

Your Avatar is awesome BudBro. JS

Hey I have spent the past 3 day reading all 201 pages and I've gotta say CG your a great dude I'm just starting out growing my seedlings have just sprouted the first true leaves. I'm growing in a cabinet cause I live in South Florida and the laws here are very strict on possession and growing. I am growing for personal medicinal use because I have epilepsy but since I started smoking 7 years ago I haven't had a single seizure but I fear that it will be a while before any hint of MMJ being legal here. It also helps with my diabetes keeping my blood sugar in check. Lol I wish I could move to Cali and help some how with op. I really do think MMJ will save the world one day in more than just the medical field. Keep up the awesome work you're one hell of a guy.