20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Budbro and RollupMikey,

My yield went up AT LEAST 30%. My quality has always been great, and was still great with AN. Of course, bigger buds are more desirable. So, bag appeal went up as well. Another key to our yiels is Yellow Bottle Final mixed in with the final flush. That shit gives the buds a final push of explosive growth. I should mention that I believe nutes to be one of the last things to play with to increase yield. Atmosphere, light, and canopy shape play a much larger role. I didn't start playing with my nutes until we dialed in the atmosphere, settled in on a medium, perfected our plant size/spacing, and got our pruning dialed in. During all this testing I stuck with the nutes I know work to grow nice healthy plants.

This brings me to another point. My plants were far healthier with Cutting Edge. I'm fighting P and K problems with AN. It just goes to show you can always learn something new. For over 20 years I equated healthy plants with optimum yields...keep em healthy and they'll produce. Not true. There are other forces at work. I am constantly fighting Mag defs with AN, but still get much more product than when using CE and not experiencing any defs at all.

Why are they calling it Weed Wars. It just sounds negative. Harborside clearly does not represent the typical dispensary. This may be good. I've seen some dispensaries that would not represent the cause well. Steve DeAngelo is currently getting shafted by the IRS. It's ironic that just after they filmed Weed Wars, the Feds targeted Harborside. If the public likes what they see in Harborside, this may be good. The public may get pissed off that the Feds are wasting time with weed. But, the feds are not too dumb on this one. They sent in the IRS. This makes it look as if Harborside is getting rich and not paying their share. Not true. The IRS is not letting Harborside write off regular business expenses. This would close the doors of any business.

Really then?

So you're not a big fan of AN is what I'm getting.

They need to dial in their salt build up problems; is my main concern.

Or like, you know, making sure what's in the bottle actually matches what the bottle says... The Oregon Dept of Ag has been seriously busting AN's balls (and rightly so) for some time now. They issued a couple of scathing memo's, but I don't have the energy to dig them up just yet. Out of respect for CG, I won't comment further on AN in his thread. Others should probably do the same, otherwise it'll go the way that all of the other AN threads round heah. That's not something I want to see happen here.

so..... how many times d'ya figger we can cancel the wedding before we have to return the china?

collective gardener said:

Budbro and RollupMikey,

My yield went up AT LEAST 30%. My quality has always been great, and was still great with AN. Of course, bigger buds are more desirable. So, bag appeal went up as well. Another key to our yiels is Yellow Bottle Final mixed in with the final flush. That shit gives the buds a final push of explosive growth. I should mention that I believe nutes to be one of the last things to play with to increase yield. Atmosphere, light, and canopy shape play a much larger role. I didn't start playing with my nutes until we dialed in the atmosphere, settled in on a medium, perfected our plant size/spacing, and got our pruning dialed in. During all this testing I stuck with the nutes I know work to grow nice healthy plants.

This brings me to another point. My plants were far healthier with Cutting Edge. I'm fighting P and K problems with AN. It just goes to show you can always learn something new. For over 20 years I equated healthy plants with optimum yields...keep em healthy and they'll produce. Not true. There are other forces at work. I am constantly fighting Mag defs with AN, but still get much more product than when using CE and not experiencing any defs at all.

Why are they calling it Weed Wars. It just sounds negative. Harborside clearly does not represent the typical dispensary. This may be good. I've seen some dispensaries that would not represent the cause well. Steve DeAngelo is currently getting shafted by the IRS. It's ironic that just after they filmed Weed Wars, the Feds targeted Harborside. If the public likes what they see in Harborside, this may be good. The public may get pissed off that the Feds are wasting time with weed. But, the feds are not too dumb on this one. They sent in the IRS. This makes it look as if Harborside is getting rich and not paying their share. Not true. The IRS is not letting Harborside write off regular business expenses. This would close the doors of any business.

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Hey cg whats the amount per gal your adding of the final?

collective gardener said:

Budbro and RollupMikey,

My yield went up AT LEAST 30%. My quality has always been great, and was still great with AN. Of course, bigger buds are more desirable. So, bag appeal went up as well. Another key to our yiels is Yellow Bottle Final mixed in with the final flush. That shit gives the buds a final push of explosive growth. I should mention that I believe nutes to be one of the last things to play with to increase yield. Atmosphere, light, and canopy shape play a much larger role. I didn't start playing with my nutes until we dialed in the atmosphere, settled in on a medium, perfected our plant size/spacing, and got our pruning dialed in. During all this testing I stuck with the nutes I know work to grow nice healthy plants.

This brings me to another point. My plants were far healthier with Cutting Edge. I'm fighting P and K problems with AN. It just goes to show you can always learn something new. For over 20 years I equated healthy plants with optimum yields...keep em healthy and they'll produce. Not true. There are other forces at work. I am constantly fighting Mag defs with AN, but still get much more product than when using CE and not experiencing any defs at all.

Why are they calling it Weed Wars. It just sounds negative. Harborside clearly does not represent the typical dispensary. This may be good. I've seen some dispensaries that would not represent the cause well. Steve DeAngelo is currently getting shafted by the IRS. It's ironic that just after they filmed Weed Wars, the Feds targeted Harborside. If the public likes what they see in Harborside, this may be good. The public may get pissed off that the Feds are wasting time with weed. But, the feds are not too dumb on this one. They sent in the IRS. This makes it look as if Harborside is getting rich and not paying their share. Not true. The IRS is not letting Harborside write off regular business expenses. This would close the doors of any business.

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Ive finally got my strain, environment, and nutes dialed in in my little thing i got goin. One 2x4x5 tent and one 4x4x6.5 tent (small compared to yours)
and ive been searchin for the right combo of "bloom boosters"

Thanks for the advice!

And roll up mikey, Its sick thanks! probably my favorite movie.

I hope to hear more and more, while learning from CG.

But yes, a favorite movie of mine as well while in the right mood/mindset.

mellokitty said:

so..... how many times d'ya figger we can cancel the wedding before we have to return the china?

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I love this thread/journal. I always get a great up feeling when reading this. I learn so much and laugh so much. Thanks you guys for keeping this such a positive place to be! And kitty I think you guys probably should keep that china.

curious2garden said:

I love this thread/journal. I always get a great up feeling when reading this. I learn so much and laugh so much. Thanks you guys for keeping this such a positive place to be! And kitty I think you guys probably should keep that china.

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i totally agree. i'm going to need some sort of peace offering for when wife#1 politely asks me to go on a 'boating excursion' with her.

RollUpMikey said:

I hope to hear more and more, while learning from CG.

But yes, a favorite movie of mine as well while in the right mood/mindset.

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Hell yeah take some deems or trippin. hahaha

Makes the movie so much better

mellokitty said:

i totally agree. i'm going to need some sort of peace offering for when wife#1 politely asks me to go on a 'boating excursion' with her.

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ROFLMAO!! Based on the two of your journals I think with the quantity and quality of the 'stuff' that the two of you grow you could probably keep her pickled to the gills without to much effort therefore avoiding all boating excursions ha!

OHOH!! Or another idea you guys could convert to polygamy and she could groom for both of you guys full time Hmmmmmm maybe not making her that happy in which case you guys would still have to avoid 'accidents' LOL

Has anyone every seen a warehouse location with cardboard in the windows like this? I've been poking around for ideas on places to grow and this caught my attention.

Hellraizer,
4ml/gallon on the Final. We put it in the final flush water day one and 2 of final flush. You'll see the buds expand day 4 and 5 of flush.

Curious,
Sorry I couldn't talk when you guys called yesterday. I'll give you a shout today...not much going on with this rain.

Kitty,
Keep the china for a minute. The Grotek Challenge is well underway. So far the Grotek plants are neck and neck with the AN plants. We met a new commercial grower yesterday at the hydro store. He's a good friend of Commercial J, which got us talking. My wife finds him very attractive...looks at him like a Scooby Snack. She wants to fix him up with all her single friends...probably for some vicarious lovin. Point here: He grows with Flora Nova. According to Commercial J, his yields are out of this world. He gave me his nute settup:

Full strength bloom:
1 part Flora Nova
2 parts Flora Blend
.2 part Floralicious
.5 part Kool Bloom

We'll be trying this on a few plants in 2 days. That's when 28 more plants go into bloom. I'm not testing any veg nutes right now. Just going CE with some aminos and Kelp.
Better hang round, Kitty. I have a feeling Wife 1 could suggest an "open relationship" any day now. I may need a hug.

CG

collective gardener said:

Hellraizer,
4ml/gallon on the Final. We put it in the final flush water day one and 2 of final flush. You'll see the buds expand day 4 and 5 of flush.

Curious,
Sorry I couldn't talk when you guys called yesterday. I'll give you a shout today...not much going on with this rain.

Kitty,
Keep the china for a minute. The Grotek Challenge is well underway. So far the Grotek plants are neck and neck with the AN plants. We met a new commercial grower yesterday at the hydro store. He's a good friend of Commercial J, which got us talking. My wife finds him very attractive...looks at him like a Scooby Snack. She wants to fix him up with all her single friends...probably for some vicarious lovin. Point here: He grows with Flora Nova. According to Commercial J, his yields are out of this world. He gave me his nute settup:

Full strength bloom:
1 part Flora Nova
2 parts Flora Blend
.2 part Floralicious
.5 part Kool Bloom

We'll be trying this on a few plants in 2 days. That's when 28 more plants go into bloom. I'm not testing any veg nutes right now. Just going CE with some aminos and Kelp.
Better hang round, Kitty. I have a feeling Wife 1 could suggest an "open relationship" any day now. I may need a hug.

CG

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Thanks cg

collective gardener said:

Kitty,
Keep the china for a minute. The Grotek Challenge is well underway. So far the Grotek plants are neck and neck with the AN plants. We met a new commercial grower yesterday at the hydro store. He's a good friend of Commercial J, which got us talking. My wife finds him very attractive...looks at him like a Scooby Snack. She wants to fix him up with all her single friends...probably for some vicarious lovin. Point here: He grows with Flora Nova. According to Commercial J, his yields are out of this world. He gave me his nute settup:

Full strength bloom:
1 part Flora Nova
2 parts Flora Blend
.2 part Floralicious
.5 part Kool Bloom

We'll be trying this on a few plants in 2 days. That's when 28 more plants go into bloom. I'm not testing any veg nutes right now. Just going CE with some aminos and Kelp.
Better hang round, Kitty. I have a feeling Wife 1 could suggest an "open relationship" any day now. I may need a hug.

CG

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bwaaaahahaha vicarious lovin ftw!!! and naaaaah, i think wife1 (like myself) is, consciously or unconsciously, aware of the truth we've both stumbled upon - i've never met a prolific grower who wasn't an excellent lover (hence MY hubby#1 *ehem*). something about the ability to keep the "ladies" happy translates to the ability to keep ladies happy. (conversely, i've met mediocre growers who were.... *coff coff*).

randomly meeting a hot, single grower is like encountering a super-rare, high fashion (and price tag) item at a bargain sale, even if already have one..... you put the grab on it for your friend who needs one. srsly, can you think of a better xmas present than a hot guy that grows dank? (hey wait, aren't you one of those? any chance you look cute in a big red bow? you should remind her of that fact.)

flora nova is part of the general family of nutes, right? haven't used any of their product in a while now.... very curious to see how your test goes.
our own nute test is drawing to a close, i'm gearing up to get down and dirty (ie brew tea)....
talk dirty to me baby, tell me more about your neck and neck ladies......

Hey CG! Haven't seen you on my thread for a while, but I just wanted to tell you that I harvested my first crop ever yesterday taking 20 hours of trimming. Ended up over 4 pounds of wet weight pulled out of my small grow tent. Very very special day for me. They are now hanging to slow-dry before the cure. I uploaded bunch of harvest pictures. Check them out!

Japonicus

mellokitty said:

bwaaaahahaha vicarious lovin ftw!!! and naaaaah, i think wife1 (like myself) is, consciously or unconsciously, aware of the truth we've both stumbled upon - i've never met a prolific grower who wasn't an excellent lover (hence MY hubby#1 *ehem*). something about the ability to keep the "ladies" happy translates to the ability to keep ladies happy. (conversely, i've met mediocre growers who were.... *coff coff*).

randomly meeting a hot, single grower is like encountering a super-rare, high fashion (and price tag) item at a bargain sale, even if already have one..... you put the grab on it for your friend who needs one. srsly, can you think of a better xmas present than a hot guy that grows dank? (hey wait, aren't you one of those? any chance you look cute in a big red bow? you should remind her of that fact.)

flora nova is part of the general family of nutes, right? haven't used any of their product in a while now.... very curious to see how your test goes.
our own nute test is drawing to a close, i'm gearing up to get down and dirty (ie brew tea)....
talk dirty to me baby, tell me more about your neck and neck ladies......

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Yeah...the Flora Nova is the single part GH stuff. It's the heaviest fucking bottle I've ever felt. The Kool Bloom is Humic and Kelp...the 2 items Simon says would be the first 2 additives on his list. The rest is basic bloom boosting shit. When mixed full strength it lands right at 5.8 PH...a little bonus. I'm getting used to NOT checking PH. It's nice.

The Grotek Challange is on week 2. It's basically 2 Grotek plants vs. 4 AN plants. I only did 2 plants to ensure I would not run out of Grotek products and could use the suggested ratios throughout. So far the 2 Grotek plants are slightly shorter than all the AN plants. Whether they are shorter and bushier, or actually smaller remains to be seen. I like the Grotek system. The nutrient wheel makes it quite easy to mix nutes for eack week of bloom. The only draw back is that with my perpetual harvest, I have plants in all stages. We like to only use 2 different mixes + flush water. Mix one is weeks 1-5, mix 2 is weeks 6 and 7, and the flush water contains Final (my absolute FAVORITE bulking product).

I really fucked up a few weeks ago. I sprayed our week 4 plants with Azamax. It burned pistils and fucked my yield big time. The plants matured 2 weeks too early. A whole 8x8 tray ended up yielding about half what it should have. Fortunately, my large plants (plants not on tables) were the new D Bubs, and ended up yielding WAY more than I expected. In the end, I harvested close to the forecast.

Wife has done wonderful job trimming and learning every job in the grow room. We don't even need to talk anymore. We can just go to work. It turns out that Commercial W (good looking grower in hydro store) is currently without a large grow op to work. I may hire him. I do like just my wife and I working, but we need some time together away from grow. Plus, it will be fun to see my wife parade a stream of available women in front of him. We're going to meet in a few days to see if we can come to some sort of deal. He may want to be paid more than I can pay him. Fact is, I don't need a crop manager...I need a semi skilled helper. We'll see.

The new D-Bub pheno is just amazing. It is SO vigorous. It roots in 5-7 days, and grows like a weed after that. The leaf stems are slightly longer than the Original Bub...allowing more light to the bud sights and thus less pruning is required. While it doesn't look as bushy, it really ends up being quite dense. The node spacing is tighter, the buds are way larger, and the bud density is the same as the Original Bubba. The overall vigor is what sets this thing apart. Our old Bubba hasn't been a seed for well over 10 years. The D Bub was sprouted 6 months ago. We can see the difference. The old Bub is still rocking hard and serving us well...but the D Bub is just a stronger and higher yielding plant. Quality wise, they're both the same. It's actually quite difficult to tell the difference by just smoking. There is a small difference, though...and that works for us. Clubs now want x amount of the old Bubba AND X amount of the D Bub. We were able to consolidate our market for overages.

I'll get some pics up soon of the D Bub in action. One 40" un topped plant yielded 6 ozs. The plant took up less than a 2x2 square. Needless to say, I'm setting up a massive D-Bub only crop next (well, 80% D Bub). It's going to be epic.

I have a random question. I had the unfortunate circumstances of having to move my plants 2 times. They started outdoors and remained that way in the 1st move . This 2nd move brought them indoors so I went from 6 hours light to 12 hours now. I have 45 in flower in about a 7' x 7' and I am running 3 ~ 600 HPS and 1~1000 MH The variable is the veg plants are around the corner and my flowering ones are not 100% dark but with no more than a full moon and none directly hitting. My question is out of the tips of some of the buds it is growing new leaves that look like the beginning of new limbs . I have taken a flowering plant back to veg and it looks alot like that. Can the blue light or the doubling of duration of light be the cause? is it just simply too much light ..is that even possible? I have taken the 1000 out and if needed will shorten the light cycle I am not a newbie but this has me curious. I would like to hear from some more experienced folks on what these are doing and ideas as to why The varieties are Black Widow, Agent Orange, Blue Dream...only the Black Widow's are doing this. Thanks

You can veg cannabis under a 9/3 light schedule, and flower it under a 6/6 schedule.
Two days per Earth day.

Results are in the air, I've heard not much difference. Could help with heat issues I suppose.
Basically if you went from 6 hours of light per day to 12 hours of light, they'll reveg most likely for a while,
but if they're outside, even ambient shading light will keep them "awake"

C.Indica said:

You can veg cannabis under a 9/3 light schedule, and flower it under a 6/6 schedule.
Two days per Earth day.

Results are in the air, I've heard not much difference. Could help with heat issues I suppose.
Basically if you went from 6 hours of light per day to 12 hours of light, they'll reveg most likely for a while,
but if they're outside, even ambient shading light will keep them "awake"

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You can't flower under 6/6, you need 12 hours of uninterrupted dark. Not sure where you heard that. There are some that do a 6/12 schedule, but not 6/6.