2011 First Ever Outdoor Grow

brandon727272

brandon727272

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From what I've seen, supercropping stunts certain growth and redirects it to other places. Last time I supercropped the plant bushed out and filled in lot more. I'm using it to control height and redistribute sun exposure.

Unfortunately no signs of flowering yet :(
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

Dr.Amber Trichome

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looks like you got it all dialed in now brandon.. that girl is going to be massive. You are going to have a FUCKIN BEAST! awesome gardening dude.
 
fumble

fumble

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Looks good Brandon. You can see all the new growth from the supercropping! I love that! Everything I tied down or SC'd put up all kinds of new growth.
 
brandon727272

brandon727272

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Another update of the plants in the pots. The SLH and Gigabud are both looking good, however there are a lot of small problems with each plant. The gigabud is definitely the largest out of the plants in the containers. About a week ago I tied it down and it looks like it's going to begin branching off of the existing branches. The Gigabud's leaves are browning and getting kind of burnt looking on the outside of the leaves as you can see in one of the pics. Some of it's leaves are also "bear-clawing" just like Dr. Amb's did (that's the only reason I know what it is!), so I think the other might be nute burn? The super skunk has leaves that are yellowing and turning white, a picture of this is also provided below. Do you think this is because it needs more nitrogen? The purple haze is just a disaster, the tops of the branches are still growing, but the rest of it is just bare, and what's not bare is really yellow. This could be stress from the transplant a few days ago, or it do you think it's something else? The Cali Hash Plant is coming back pretty nicely actually lol, I really hope it turns out to be a female. The Super Lemon Haze is looking great, I think it really likes the LST. It still looks pretty weird, but I guess I'm kind of used to it looking different from the others lol. And last but definitely not least, the Island Sweet Skunk and Chernobyl are looking great, gotten a lot bigger since the last update. Really looking forward to these two.

The gigabud! It's in a 10 gal bucket and looking amazing besides the leaf problems mentioned above.


Here's a closeup of the brown edges the Gigabud is getting, I think it's nute burn?


Here's a side pic of the Super Skunk. The pot size is the same as the Gigabud, so you can kind of gauge how much bigger the gigabud is. This plant is turning into a nice little bush. All of the leaves on this plant have a yellowish tinge to them, and the innermore leaves are either really yellow or white.. What do you think?


Here's a closer up pic of the Super skunk's leaves.


The purple haze, in all it's ugliness... Don't know what else to say, I just hope it gets better...


The SLH! Should I do anything or just let the top grow up? or should I retie?


The Cali Hash Plant. It's looking really really good compared to how it looked previously, I'll be really disappointed if it turns out a male :(. No signs of pistils/balls yet though.. I put it aside from all the others just incase though lol :D


Chernobyl on the left, Island Sweet Skunk on the right. Out of the plants in the containers, probably most excited about these :D


Thanks for reading guys, input would be greatly appreciated on the plants that aren't looking their best :D
 
doowmd

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is the string cutting into the branches on that giga-bud? couldn't see in the pics but those strings looked super tight and could possibly be the cause of the problem w/ that plant. Did you add any lime to your soil mix? Cause I think maybe your soils too acidic and that's y alot of the plants have the same "leaves curling under" look.
I'm gonna do a search for ya and try to find an article or 2 about this problem BRB.
 
doowmd

doowmd

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So I just visited VeggieGardener's profile page and asked him to come on this thread and check it out for ya. He's one of the most knowledgeable folks on here!! He should be able to help ya out!
 
brandon727272

brandon727272

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I didn't add any lime to my soil mix, I have another improvement for next year! The string is snug but not super tight, it's not cutting into the branches. How do I test ph of my soil? I have a ph meter that reads water, can it also read soil? Thanks doowmd! Really appreciate the help. I'm most worried about the purple haze
 
Metasynth

Metasynth

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Just collect some of the runoff that comes out the bottom of your plants when you water...Compare that to the water before you water them...If the runoff is lower, your soil is more acidic, and vice versa! I'm sure you'll get all this figured out! :)
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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brandon727272 said:
Another update of the plants in the pots. The SLH and Gigabud are both looking good, however there are a lot of small problems with each plant. The gigabud is definitely the largest out of the plants in the containers. About a week ago I tied it down and it looks like it's going to begin branching off of the existing branches. The Gigabud's leaves are browning and getting kind of burnt looking on the outside of the leaves as you can see in one of the pics. Some of it's leaves are also "bear-clawing" just like Dr. Amb's did (that's the only reason I know what it is!), so I think the other might be nute burn? The super skunk has leaves that are yellowing and turning white, a picture of this is also provided below. Do you think this is because it needs more nitrogen? The purple haze is just a disaster, the tops of the branches are still growing, but the rest of it is just bare, and what's not bare is really yellow. This could be stress from the transplant a few days ago, or it do you think it's something else? The Cali Hash Plant is coming back pretty nicely actually lol, I really hope it turns out to be a female. The Super Lemon Haze is looking great, I think it really likes the LST. It still looks pretty weird, but I guess I'm kind of used to it looking different from the others lol. And last but definitely not least, the Island Sweet Skunk and Chernobyl are looking great, gotten a lot bigger since the last update. Really looking forward to these two.

The gigabud! It's in a 10 gal bucket and looking amazing besides the leaf problems mentioned above.


Here's a closeup of the brown edges the Gigabud is getting, I think it's nute burn?


Here's a side pic of the Super Skunk. The pot size is the same as the Gigabud, so you can kind of gauge how much bigger the gigabud is. This plant is turning into a nice little bush. All of the leaves on this plant have a yellowish tinge to them, and the innermore leaves are either really yellow or white.. What do you think?


Here's a closer up pic of the Super skunk's leaves.


The purple haze, in all it's ugliness... Don't know what else to say, I just hope it gets better...


The SLH! Should I do anything or just let the top grow up? or should I retie?


The Cali Hash Plant. It's looking really really good compared to how it looked previously, I'll be really disappointed if it turns out a male :(. No signs of pistils/balls yet though.. I put it aside from all the others just incase though lol :D


Chernobyl on the left, Island Sweet Skunk on the right. Out of the plants in the containers, probably most excited about these :D


Thanks for reading guys, input would be greatly appreciated on the plants that aren't looking their best :D
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There seem to be a lot of problems displayed in these pix.

Are those black pots shaded morning and evening, so roots aren't damaged by heat?

What are you feeding them?

Without knowing more, I'd suggest flushing all the solid plastic pots, and see that the pots are shaded.

After two days, give them a light feeding of a liquid fertilizer.

Wait and see.

I'm afraid they'll get worse before getting better.

New pix would be appreciated.

Do you add Epsom Salts to your nutrient mix? There's an obvious lack of Nitrogen, but why?

Don't do anything radical. Just do a thorough flush and a light feeding, two days later.

Wait and see.
 
brandon727272

brandon727272

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I never fed them any veg nutes throughout the grow. I was kind of under the impression all the nitrogen I would need was gonna be in the soil, but obviously I'm wrong lol. I used the soil recipe from https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=159846&highlight=tomhill however I altered it to about this. Ratio'd down to 100 gallons worth of soil of course XD

25 bags organic local nursery potting soil (1.5cf ea)

4 bags chicken manure fertilizer (1 cf ea)

1 bag perlite (4 cf ea)

1 bag (50 lbs) bonemeal (steamed, not precipitated)

1/2 bag gypsum (aprox 1/2 cf) - Edit -> 1/2 of a 40 lb bag (20lbs).

I also added some fresh horse manure when I let it bake, I let it bake for ~ 1 1/2 months

That being said, I haven't fed it anything besides water and some rootbastic early on. However, in the past month I have started feeding it a flowering tea concentrate from https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/429193-indoor-dwc-2x600w-jack-ripper-16.html
Unsulfured Molasses - 1 Cup
Earth Juice Bloom Formula - 2 Cups
Liquid Karma - 1/4 Cup
Water - 2 Cups
The molasses gets thinned and boiled in the water then it all is mixed together. I've been feeding them this at 2 tbs per gal once a week.

I have not been shading the pots, can I cover them with something to reduce heat on them? When I'm near them in the heat of the day should I soak the outsides with water or something to cool them off? I'll try to put them next to plants in my yard so the pots get shaded a bit more. I have not been adding Epsom Salts, do you think I have a Mg deficiency? I thought molasses had a bit of Mg in it, but I guess not enough! Think I should get some? Thanks for your help veggie! I really hope they start looking better soon, I don't want to give them stress as they begin to flower :(. I'll keep you guys update
 
doublejj

doublejj

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Get some Maxsea 16-16-16
1tbls per gallon + 1tsp Epsom Salts once a week, although I'm having seroius concerns about your soil. But it's worth a try.

peace
doublejj
 
fumble

fumble

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As you know, this is my first time, so I don't know a whole lot. The picture of the SS that is pale looks a lot like my GR did before I started feeding it the grow food regularly. After just a couple of reg feedings it darkened up and is now almost as dark as my other two. Don't know if that helps.
 
Dr.Amber Trichome

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:peace: Brandon, What a really beautiful exellent update. Your photography and documentation is really well done!
WOW, there is just soo freakin much going on in your garden.It is really really exciting and a pleasure to watch.
Im so envious of your outdoor girls. It must be so wonderful to have them in the natural elements and to see them in the natural sun and wind. i dream of one day be able to have that.
Your super lemon haze is very sweeet. A classic sativa , very sativa pheno you have. That girl will be a super head high for you if you can harvest her early, before her trichomes turn amber. :joint:
Im still very curious as to why bear clawing happens,yes i have heard nute burn, but im kinda skeptical about that conclusion. Even after flushing my bear clawed lemon skunk she still remained clawed. I wonder if its just genetics because my other 2 lemon skunks did not bear claw at all with the exact same diet and enviornment. At any rate the clawing has had no ill effects on the buddage.. so its just kinda a cool funky feature as far as i can tell. :peace: keep up the tremendous gardening skills brandon. Your really kickin ass with this grow and killer journal.
Peace dude.. doc A :peace::joint::peace:
 
veggiegardener

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doublejj said:
Get some Maxsea 16-16-16
1tbls per gallon + 1tsp Epsom Salts once a week, although I'm having seroius concerns about your soil. But it's worth a try.

peace
doublejj
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Good advice. Feed lightly and frequently. 1/3 what is recommended, twice as often is what I like.
 
brandon727272

brandon727272

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Hey everyone! Thanks for all the responses to the sickened container plants. I'm going to the hydro store today, gonna buy some Maxsea and Epsom Salts, thanks doublejj and veggie. Should I be feeding the Maxsea and epsom salts to all of my plants? Or just the few looking bad. My scheduled day to fertilize is today, should I fertilize with my flowering tea to some of the plants today? Thanks again guys, really appreciate you guys helping with my dying plants. I put the buckets next to plants to shade them early and late in the day like you recommended, so hopefully they'll start looking better. Could I wrap the buckets in burlap or something and wet the burlap once a day to keep them cool? If it made a big difference I'd be willing to do this.

Super excited, within the past few the RD and DV both showed pistils. I first saw them yesterday morning one on each plant! This morning I just looked out and they have spread throughout the tops. They're also beginning to smell a noticable amount. The RD smells really sweet and slightly fruity, and the DV smells extremely lemony. I took a couple close up pics with my phone, and I was surprised at how decent they turned out haha! I'll probably be using a nicer camera for my future budding updates, so stay tuned :mrgreen:.

Pic of Dolce Vita pistils.


Next two pics are of the Red Dragon.

 
brandon727272

brandon727272

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So are they flowering now or are they still vegging, but just mature and about to enter the flowering stage? Do I increase the strength/frequency of my feedings when they flower more? I had all my plants scheduled to be fed today, however I only fed the DV and RD (two in the ground) due to the container plants looking not their best. I didn't end up going to the hydro store today, although hopefully I will within the next few days to get epsom salts and max sea. Should I feed them, or wait until I get the stuff from the hydro store? Oh, and I've been wondering, can I mist the plants as they start budding? I've been misting them almost every night, but I don't want to develop mold.

Oh and should I start adding support somehow? But it would need to blend in and not make them obvious.
 
doowmd

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brandon727272 said:
So are they flowering now or are they still vegging, but just mature and about to enter the flowering stage?
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Your plants are now "flowering".

brandon727272 said:
Do I increase the strength/frequency of my feedings when they flower more?
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Best thing to do is follow veggie gardener's advice about the feeding schedule and what to feed/how much


brandon727272 said:
I had all my plants scheduled to be fed today, however I only fed the DV and RD (two in the ground) due to the container plants looking not their best. I didn't end up going to the hydro store today, although hopefully I will within the next few days to get epsom salts and max sea. Should I feed them, or wait until I get the stuff from the hydro store?
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Same advice as above.

brandon727272 said:
Oh, and I've been wondering, can I mist the plants as they start budding? I've been misting them almost every night, but I don't want to develop mold.
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I've been told, and tend to agree, that foliage feeding is minimally helpful and tends to end up doing more harm than good (especially during flowering)
 
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