2022 Massachusetts Outdoor Growers

p59teitel · Sep 4, 2022

First time up the ladder this year, to check for PM in the tops. Biggest gal is a Rustam Kush at exactly 9 feet. She may hit 10 feet, but no 15 foot monstahs to fret over this year lol -

Interesting to compare her light green branch ends to her little sister that I’d say is 7-10 days ahead, the big girl still wants nitrogen and CalMag while her little sis seems to be good with where she is at -

Waziri Repro F1s are happy as clams, stopped giving them Pete’s Perfect Piss Potion for nitrogen a week ago. Looks like I can cut back soon on CalMag too and just stick with potassium for flower support -

7CardBud · Sep 4, 2022

Poco56 said:
Looks good from here “7”! Hmmm… you got them ladies mounted on stacked milk crates? Good way to keep them off the ground and away from pests, though it expedites overall height. What size pots fit on top should that be the case? I’m using 10’s this year and I’d think even those would hang over the edges of a milk crate w/o some additional drainage plating on top of the crates (ex: like a piece of sized plywood riddled with drainage holes). I’m personally on a deck and currently using 1/2 pallets for my ladies to sit on.

I have 7s on top of the milk crates. That was my idea as well, to create a barrier for pests. I also spray the strong pesticides onto the milk crate that I wouldn't want on my plants or grow bag, stuff like Home Defense.
It also makes it easy to put a cup under them for a runoff test. I actually did my first test this morning and was dead on 6pH with a 125% runoff EC.

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

p59teitel said:
First time up the ladder this year, to check for PM in the tops. Biggest gal is a Rustam Kush at exactly 9 feet. She may hit 10 feet, but no 15 foot monstahs to fret over this year lol -

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Interesting to compare her light green branch ends to her little sister that I’d say is 7-10 days ahead, the big girl still wants nitrogen and CalMag while her little sis seems to be good with where she is at -

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Waziri Repro F1s are happy as clams, stopped giving them Pete’s Perfect Piss Potion for nitrogen a week ago. Looks like I can cut back soon on CalMag too and just stick with potassium for flower support -

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“Pete’s Perfect Piss Potion”? What…? I’m been getting some yellowing lower fan leaves of late and was curious what would give them the right hit of nitrogen. I started adding some top dressing of 4-4-4 and that seems to have slowed it down but I’m also always listening to hear what others are doing too. I heard from @PioneerValleyOG that he uses 10-10-10… which I thought might be to much nitrogen given our September timeframe, but I’ll be looking to bring my current 4-4-4 up, as he seems to be all in getting that lovely shade of green back us the 10-10-10.

7CardBud · Sep 4, 2022

A fast-acting salt like Calcium Nitrate will start working in a couple days.
An organic option is blood meal, that will take a couple weeks.

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

7CardBud said:
I have 7s on top of the milk crates. That was my idea as well, to create a barrier for pests. I also spray the strong pesticides onto the milk crate that I wouldn't want on my plants or grow bag, stuff like Home Defense.
It also makes it easy to put a cup under them for a runoff test. I actually did my first test this morning and was dead on 6pH with a 125% runoff EC.

Last year I used 45 gallon bags and felt it was overkill and generated to much height, so I went the other way to better control that height and used the 10’s this year. To my surprise, anything put outside June 1st are still 7’-8’ tall and still need a 6’ ladder to give an effective spray. Lol

(I also put out 2 untrained ladies out on Jun 15th as an experiment in size control… they’re at 6’ but you can tell the difference cuz they definitely require less watering too.) I was concerned the 10’s however might be a root bound issue given the lengthy grow season and here you are in 7’s… renewing my faith! Lol :bigjoint:

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

7CardBud said:
A fast-acting salt like Calcium Nitrate will start working in a couple days.
An organic option is blood meal, that will take a couple weeks.

Thanks! @7CardBud

7CardBud · Sep 4, 2022

My crop got mowed down by groundhogs in early July to little 4" stumps. I didn't think they would take off after that and then the heat wave slowed them down, so I never moved them up. They seem to be doing fine, just the downside is the plants need water twice a day. That's why I went for automated irrigation.

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

7CardBud said:
My crop got mowed down by groundhogs in early July to little 4" stumps. I didn't think they would take off after that and then the heat wave slowed them down, so I never moved them up. They seem to be doing fine, just the downside is the plants need water twice a day. That's why I went for automated irrigation.

Ouch… Dang varmits! I would’ve had tears in my eyes with an attitude to boot! :finger:

I feel ya on the watering, anything 7’-8’ in those 10’s requires a minimum watering of once a day. (Rain not withstanding)… Well good to see they came back in such fine form for ya!

p59teitel · Sep 4, 2022

Poco56 said:
“Pete’s Perfect Piss Potion”? What… ?

Yep you read correctly LOL. In addition to working cow manure into the soil before planting and then top dressing with worm castings and maybe another round of cow manure, for added nitrogen in the form of urea I use my own fermented urine mixed about 1:7 with water. I have several plastic stadium cups out in the shed and collect in those, let it ferment a couple days then pour into a gallon plastic jug. So constantly rotating in newly fermented piss, like some fancy French wines are made lol

Sounds nuts but the plants love it! I do organic grows and this fits right in.

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

p59teitel said:
Yep you read correctly LOL. In addition to working cow manure into the soil before planting and then top dressing with worm castings and maybe another round of cow manure, for added nitrogen in the form of urea I use my own fermented urine mixed about 1:7 with water. I have several plastic stadium cups out in the shed and collect in those, let it ferment a couple days then pour into a gallon plastic jug. So constantly rotating in newly fermented piss, like some fancy French wines are made lol

Sounds nuts but the plants love it! I do organic grows and this fits right in.

I thought I’d heard it all! Lol

I knew about the nitrogen content, just never heard of anyone actually utilizing it. I guess outside it might be ok, but inside that’s gotta come with serious odor… right? @p59teitel You amuse the piss outta me! :bigjoint:

PioneerValleyOG · Sep 4, 2022

Poco56 said:
“Pete’s Perfect Piss Potion”? What…? I’m been getting some yellowing lower fan leaves of late and was curious what would give them the right hit of nitrogen. I started adding some top dressing of 4-4-4 and that seems to have slowed it down but I’m also always listening to hear what others are doing too. I heard from @PioneerValleyOG that he uses 10-10-10… which I thought might be to much nitrogen given our September timeframe, but I’ll be looking to bring my current 4-4-4 up, as he seems to be all in getting that lovely shade of green back us the 10-10-10.

Ahhh, let me clarify that post. I had a similar issue where I used a bloom booster too early which caused yellowing on the mostly lower leaves as it has a high phosphorus content. I used the 10 across just once to bring a little balance back, and it seemed to work. I got a healthy greener plant. That said, in mid to late flower, I do use less nitrogen and higher phosphorus as the buds seem to happily gobble it up and plump out. This works for me, however, the timing appears to be more critical than I once thought. I think the heat plus the phosphorus is just too much for the plant. Sorry for the misdirection.

7CardBud · Sep 4, 2022

I'm still trying to figure out the best N for flowering. Last year I ran 175ppm straight through until late flower/ripen and then did the last 10 days or so with 50ppm. I pretty much closed out the season with a full green bush with just some large yellow fans.
I might try slowly dialing back the N this year until I switch to the full finish fert.

p59teitel · Sep 4, 2022

Poco56 said:
I thought I’d heard it all! Lol I knew about the nitrogen content, just never heard of anyone actually utilizing it. I guess outside it might be ok, but inside that’s gotta come with serious odor… right? @p59teitel You amuse the piss outta me!

I don’t reward my half-assed indoor winter windowsill grows with the special sauce, they gotta get by on whatever they get to start and maybe one shot of worm castings lol

7CardBud · Sep 4, 2022

If I could train the ferals in my area to urinate in a container I could hit the big time.

Move over Fish Sh!t........Pappy is hittin' the market with Kat P!ss.

PioneerValleyOG · Sep 4, 2022

Ok 10-52-10. That's my mid to late flower secret. May seem off to most, but its how I roll. Remember, these plants are ramping up, in flower and DYING to get pollinated. Basically going nuts. So its kind of like giving steroids, cocaine and ecstasy to a girl that's going from a rave to a porn shoot. Most times its a good trip, once in a while, maybe no. But has worked for me for a while. Otherwise, my other mix, 24-8-16, vegging, I like the higher nitrogen as it seems to keep the plants green and healthy without any detrimental effects. Using a higher r nitrogen can often turn your buds a more purple, but you don't wanna overdo it. By late flower, I'm in flush mode, pushing straight h2o through the plant as it begins its life's end, it dies a purer death. This year I altered my regular program and ran into issues. Imho, its about finding what works for your environment and strains, and once you find a good program, don't fuck with it. In the words of the old farmers, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' Keep it simple, and don't bang your head on the wall trying all kinds of different shit. There's great advice on these threads, there also extremely smart growers that follow extremely complex paradigms.
Don't get lost looking for the forest through the trees.
And last, log everything. Looking back can help you move forward.
Think I used all my silly analogies, for now.

Poco56 · Sep 4, 2022

PioneerValleyOG said:
Ok 10-52-10. That's my mid to late flower secret. May seem off to most, but its how I roll. Remember, these plants are ramping up, in flower and DYING to get pollinated. Basically going nuts. So its kind of like giving steroids, cocaine and ecstasy to a girl that's going from a rave to a porn shoot. Most times its a good trip, once in a while, maybe no. But has worked for me for a while. Otherwise, my other mix, 24-8-16, vegging, I like the higher nitrogen as it seems to keep the plants green and healthy without any detrimental effects. Using a higher r nitrogen can often turn your buds a more purple, but you don't wanna overdo it. By late flower, I'm in flush mode, pushing straight h2o through the plant as it begins its life's end, it dies a purer death. This year I altered my regular program and ran into issues. Imho, its about finding what works for your environment and strains, and once you find a good program, don't fuck with it. In the words of the old farmers, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' Keep it simple, and don't bang your head on the wall trying all kinds of different shit. There's great advice on these threads, there also extremely smart growers that follow extremely complex paradigms.
Don't get lost looking for the forest through the trees.
And last, log everything. Looking back can help you move forward.
Think I used all my silly analogies, for now.

Are you making your own blend of “24-8-16”/“10-52-10” or using a commercial blend? bongsmilie

PioneerValleyOG · Sep 4, 2022

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Poco56 said:
Are you making your own blend of “24-8-16”/“10-52-10” or using a commercial blend?

I try and usually find an organic mix.

PioneerValleyOG · Sep 4, 2022

Ok, here's the deal with the advanced plants. Upon further inspection, and advice from good people here, they are not ready. I made my decision on close investigation; while there are amber clusters, there is also cloudy, cloudy clear, and some clear trichomes. Also, bracts not swollen so much, and many white pistils left me to decide its true, time to pump the brakes. These plants are going to have like bricks on a stick, solid colas. In fact, I should pollinate a little more, I think these strains would do well for a whole patch, no bugs, no rot, AS OF YET. That said, one spot had some botrytis, I cut it out, no spread at all. I'm hoping these bitches fatten up like my cousin doing a year in county.
The one rule that I've learned that means the most, and is most important, is patience. Let it go as long as you can stand... then let it go two more weeks .
Butter helps.

PioneerValleyOG · Sep 4, 2022

Ok, here's the deal with the advanced plants. Upon further inspection, and advice from good people here, they are not ready. I made my decision on close investigation; while there are amber clusters, there is also cloudy, cloudy clear, and some clear trichomes. Also, bracts not swollen so much, and many white pistils left me to decide its true, time to pump the brakes. These plants are going to have like bricks on a stick, solid colas. In fact, I should pollinate a little more, I think these strains would do well for a whole patch, no bugs, no rot, AS OF YET. That said, one spot had some botrytis, I cut it out, no spread at all. I'm hoping these bitches fatten up like my cousin doing a year in county.
The one rule that I've learned that means the most, and is most important, is patience. Let it go as long as you can stand... then let it go two more weeks .
Butter helps. :rolleyes: