250w HPS Club And Help Guide

Todays update brought to you by laziness.

Laziness, fucking up grows since forever.

Jumping right in, I took a few days off from the plants and I shouldn't have.

I decided that the plants were too tall for my tent. They're about 2.5 feet tall and my tent is 5 feet tall.

So what did smart me do? I bent them over and tried to stake them down....that didn't work.

I tried to stake them down a second time....and a third....and a fourth. It didn't work any of those times.

Well, smart me decided that super cropping was the answer. I could bend them without cutting off the tops.


B2P1 before the bend.



I opened the tent and the first thing I saw was a mess. The drip trays under each bucket didn't hold the expected runoff.

The plant looks healthy but annoyingly tall.

Mutey (and the mess)



It looks fairly healthy. The first bend in the main stem took hold but I'd like to do more.

I cleaned up the mess and started fucking with the plants.

The Kaya kids.



Remember I said I took a few days off from the plants?

One of the kids fell over but didn't die during that time and the other plant looks like it had a leaf that got nibbled on by a mouse.

I decided to transplant them today into their next pots so I didn't have to deal with plants outside the tent anymore.



Thanks for watching. It's about to get fucked up.

Yesterday I cut some more leaves off. The best I could describe them is their eaten but the damage was localized to the spiky leaf margins. It seemingly happened over night and the spikes were white on 5 blades over 4 leaves.

No evidence of thrips under a microscope so I have no idea what caused it.

I totally over watered the plants the other day so now I'm leaving them alone and seeing what happens next.


B2P1

The growth exploded over the last two days. When last I looked, the plant was sad and got cut up with pruning and super cropping (stem breaking). Now the girl looks happy and bushy.



There's still some leaves I want to chop bit I'm going to wait a few days to do that.

Mutey

Mutey, the three branches per node, one colytondone growing plant got bushy as well.

While being the same age as B2P1, there's no sign of sex yet. If I'm reading the nodes right. I might have noticed a tiny itsy bitsy start of the sex and if I'm lucky, it might be a boy.

The branch nodes are swollen in a different way that B2P1 and the miniature possible preflowers look different...I think.

It could be wishful thinking.



The Kaya Kids

They're plugging along. One got eaten a tad by a something and the other had fallen over only to keep growing. If they had a better leaf structure I would top them right now but they seem to only have the 3 blade leaves so it's a bit soon.





Defoliation and netting installation seem to be my next goals. I don't have any actual ScroG netting but I do have some trellis netting I can double on itself and tie to the tent frame.

I love growing Cannabis but growing for seed is kind of nerve wracking. I have to keep the plants in healthy form, limit stress, pray for opposite sexes, treat it like a flower grow and hope everything works well.i would love a Blue Mystic seed stock but if both turn out to be girls I know I'll at least have the best smoke on the planet.

One major thing concerning me are the Kaya kids.

Something just feels off about them.

Sidenote; I had an interaction with the Seedsman seedbank about the Blue Mystics. They referred me to a page on their site that indicated the freshness of their seed stock. Meanwhile, Nirvana hasn't made Blue Mystic regulars in a long time AND I've got a mutant plant growing in front of me as we speak.

I'm not saying Seedsman is crap but they just got caught in a lie so do what you like with that info.

Selfie them

Stay tuned for a surprise tomorrow.

I couldn't wait.



Added a second light!

I couldn't figure out how to convert the the SE Sunhood to a DE without destroying stuff so I shrunk the ducting and tomorrow I'll get an extraction fan.

The temp test shows it stabilized at 29°C without an extraction so adding one should bring the temp back down to 20°C - 25°C.

I still feel this is a 250w grow since both lights are 250s (total 500) and the light penetration will be the same.

Double 250w grow show! Sit back and watch me fuck this up somehow!

Todays update is brought to you by unknown leaf damage causes.

Unknown leaf damage causes, confusing growers since forever.

I checked the tent temperature today and it was sitting at a stable 27°C with an RH of 50. Not the best temps but it's manageable. I upped the rooms AC to counter the tent temps for the day. It should buy me some time to get a second fan for exhaust.

On to the show!

B2P1 (Jeffree Star)

The girl is doing fairly well. She has had some unknown leaf damage and I nipped them off entirely. No need to fuck around and if it continues I'll have to go over every leaf with my microscope. I can't see anything with my eyeballs and I'm kinda confused.

I'm still not watering the plant yet. I probably won't for a few days more.

Since I drenched the plants with CalMg'd, pH'd water last time, I can probably start feeding them again.



This is my confirmed female plant. She is lovely.

Mutey

When I was going over the plant today, I think I seen male preflowers. I'm still being hopeful and wanting a boy. My plan is to wait for a single male flower site to develop almost to maturity, chop the shit out of the plant and only leave the one site of male flowers. Take the plant out of the tent, tie a bag around the site and seal the bag end and let the pollen sack burst. I think this will let me harvest pollen without pollination of the whole plant.



Mutey has a nice mutation of having three branches per node and I'd love to pass along that genetic trait.

The Kaya kids

Not alot to report on them. They are growing, not super fast but they are growing new foliage.





Since moving the kids into the tent, I seem to be having leaf issues on all the plants.

Possible connection.

Thanks for watching.

Today has been a day and it's brought to you by aliens.

Aliens, fucking up grows since the dawn of time.



I don't know what that is but I am guessing it's an egg case of something.

Jeffree Star (B2P1)

The girl had some more leaf damage. I cut those leaves off.

Otherwise the plant looks generally healthy. The growth is good and there's no signs of any defeciency. I super cropped the shit out of her and defoliated a bunch of site blocking leaves. (pics are taken before I cropped)



Mutey

It's looking quite well considering its start. I can't even complain about it in the slightest. The stem is hick, the leaves are green and it smells delightfully plantish.



The Kaya kids are doing well.

The leaves are just starting to show they want some sort of nutrients so I gave them each a cup of pH'd nutrient water today. I fed all the plants but this is the first nutrients that the kids have had. I used full strength nutes plus double CalMg+ seeing as it's difficult to over fert with CalMg in a peat based soil.





Hopefully the plants take the nutrients well. I know the Blue Mystics at just over 6 weeks (48 days) and heavy feeders and the Kaya kids are just over 2 weeks (18 days). I probably should have mixed a batch of light nutes for the Kayas but in for a penny and all that.



I also added sticky traps to help monitor any pest activity. Hopefully something will show up and I can put a name to the egg case.

Todays update is brought to you by a barking dog.

Barking dogs, ruining morning sleep in time since domestication.

Jeffree Star (B2P1)

I opened the tent expecting more leaf damage and found none. JS is recovering beautifully from the super cropping and defoliation. I still haven't built a screen but I definitely should. I can bend and twist all I want to create a scrog effect but without the screen, I'm not going to get a solid canopy.



Mutey

I looked all over Mutey for new leaf damage, no idea if the three leaves I cut off were new damage or old but I did end up cutting off three leaves.

I shouldn't be so willy nilly withy cutting but I want the best for my plants and amputation seems better than fighting the unknown.

Mutey seems to be fighting the super cropping so I think I'll go back in a few days and really snap the shit out of it.




The Kaya kids

I think this might be the last update where I group them together and call them the kids.

I fed them a solo cup of pH'd nutrient solution yesterday and the fuckers doubled in size over night. I have the sneaking suspicion that they will be heavy feeders....or maybe all my plants are regular feeders and I just don't see it.

#GeneralOrganics gives you a couple additives that lost a range for how much to use per gallon and I always use the maximum amount. If the range says 2.5mL-5mL I use 5mL. I'm doubling the amount of CalMg+ I use. It calls for 5mL and I use 10mL. Since I started doing this, the plants aren't showing anymore defeciency.




I checked the sticky traps and I seen one red spot that I believe is blanket fluff. Nothing else is on there yet.

I have been looking around for HPS bulbs but it's difficult finding the right size in the right brand.

Ushio is a brand I'm interested in and they make the lights in the right size but trying to find a dealer that carries the right size is fucking impossible.

That same statement can be applied to eye hortilux, Vivosun and almost every other brand. I really don't understand why 250w is being phased out or if it even is. I love the size for low heat, external ballasts and low energy consumption. My buds are always phat and sticky icky.

I'm going to pull the trigger on an HPS light purchase today and I hope it works out well. The bastards are a tad expensive.

Thanks for watching.

Todays update is brought to you by Houston.

By the way, Houston, we have a problem.

I checked on the plants this morning and I've noticed some unexplained issues. Normally I have been cutting off leaves that show issues but the new growth isn't keeping up to the damage.

Here, let me show you.

Jeffree Star (B2P1)







Over all the plant looks alright. It's just the odd leaf here and there that has issues.

I still can't find anything living that could be causing this so my next step will be a spray.



Mutey

Mutey is doing well. Both plants took the supercropping well. I'm going to have to do it again and again until I get a screen up.

Still no sex being showed as any type of preflowers. I'm still hoping for a male but the plant is autant so it could be a herm waiting to bone it's own pistils for all I know.



B3P1

Strain: Kaya Gold

For being 3 weeks old, it seems to be a slower grower but what do I know. It's early and I haven't had coffee.



B3P2

Same as B3P1, slow growth but otherwise healthy.

I don't remember the strain being this slow but it is before coffee so fuck me if I know a damn thing.



Like I said, over all the plants look alright. I'm not super happy about them or really worried.

They'll do what they do and I'll keep an eyeball on them.

Now for coffee.

paddy510 said:

not much happening in the 250w world anymore?
only just ran out of last years gear about a month ago

im just starting this years grow. a bit late due to a long summer.
2 days nothing yet lol

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NCBMORE said:

You kinda got me excited. I am away doing contracting work, so I haven't had a chance to grow for a while. The last grows I did was on my Terrace. However before I left, I had a plant under my 110w cfl tubes in veg. My wife finished under the 250w hps. I was home last month for vacation to finally try the bud she harvested last April. She didba fantastic job with the light. We just moved so everything is in storage. When I finish my contract I will be back. Looking for a corner in our apartment where I can set up again. I have a huge bank of stuff waiting to flourish in the fridge. I will keep checking in though on your post. Have fun with the grow!

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maccc2019 said:

View attachment 4453442View attachment 4453442View attachment 44534425 weeks into flower, Gorilla Glue #4 ... shes a hungry strain, the burst of grow in the first two weeks of flower was amazing.

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Todays update is brought to you mice.

Mice, frustrating country folk for centuries.

I checked in the plants today and was frustrated by my super cropping. Almost every bend I made had straightened or unbent itself.

I re-cropped it, this time bending until I heard AND felt the snap. Hopefully it wasn't to much. I know I damaged the stem on some branches in somewhat severe ways.

B2P1 (Jeffree Star)

This girl has minor new leaf damage. Still can't find what the cause is but I will. Hopefully before it's too late. Super cropped again. No defoliation today.



The screen is becoming a necessity.

B2P2 (Mutey)

Super cropped again, one crawler caught on the sticky. No new leaf damage that I can see.





Did not water any plant today.

B3P1

Kaya Gold, quite a bit of growth. Node spacing is small, good for me I guess. It's supposed to be a Sativa dominant but I'm not seeing the blade length I expected. It's still very early. Might need to water plain pH'd CalMg water tomorrow.



B3P2

The one that fell over. It's doing well. The growth is slow and the nodes are tight.

Nothing great to report yet.



Thanks for watching.

Todays update is brought to you by sadness and over attachment.

I got up early and sliced off a branch of Jeffree Star and gave it to a master grower.

I took pictures and here they are.

B2P1



B2P2, B3P1 and B3P2



The Batch 2's look a little down today.

Todays update is brought to you by Broad Mites.

Broad Mites, one of the hardest insects to manage in Canada.

I was going to skip updates until I had the pests under control but future me wants to be able to look back and know that I had them and won.

B2P1

This plant was hit the worst. I've been cutting leaves off thinking it was a nute deficiency or light burn. In the end, I was just willfully ignorant of the signs and symptoms. Broad Mites are tiny and lay eggs in the leaf so I needed to use something long lasting and I'll have to use it for an extended period of time.

That means that my flowering will have to wait for at least another month when the mites are gone.



I spoke to a master grower about my plants and even he was convinced that the symptoms were over watering or over fertilization.

B2P3

Not much infection on this plant but some was detected so all plants are being treated.



B3P1 and B3P2

There hasn't been much infection spread to these plants but they were dosed anyways.




Aside from some minor leaf damage overall and the constant fear of reinfection, I think my plants will be fine.

Thanks for watching.

Todays update brought to you by a now hated AC unit.

Today started off with dead and dying plants followed by an 80% recovery.

The AC unit defaulted to the auto setting with the last power brown out and my plants went into crazy heat stress.

A gallon of spring water each, resetting the AC unit and some ventilation the and they're back to being almost good.

Add in the mite infestation and I have to add another month to my veg time so the plants can heal and my yields won't suffer as much. This might be a seed crop but I'd like healthy seeds if possible.

There is some leaf damage from the Safers 3 in 1 spray, that's a rough ass chemical but the mites had to go.

When I said I had roughly 80% recovery, there will be some leaf die off. I don't feel too bad about it considering the majority of the leaves will survive.

This also pushes back the next treatment for mites and the plant will be vulnerable for some time.

Thanks for watching.

Todays update brought to you by future me.

Future me, thanking past me for making right now me do this update.

B2P1

The girl isn't thriving but she is alive. I've had to defoliate her again because of chemical burns and nutrient defeciency. The leaves I took had over 50% damage so they had to go. After the mite sprays, I fed them pH'd water in hopes of flushing most of the chemicals out of the soil. I think it worked because the new growth is coming in fine.

B2P2

This fucking plant...it still hasn't shown any signs of sexual maturity so it has to be a male. It weathered the sprays and plain pH'd water like a champ and takes defoliation and Supercropping well too.

Aside from not showing any signs of sex yet, the plant is doing well and the new growth is coming in well.

B3P1

The first of the Kaya kids.

The growth on the plant has slowed significantly. I've had to defoliate it slightly due to chemical burnt leaves and I'm sure the spray didn't help growth a single bit. There isn't much sign of new growth and no signs of sex yet.

B3P2

This plant has some vigor. It held up to the sprays and heat damage but was starved for light because of the bigger plants. No signs of sexual maturity yet but I'm always checking.

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I've raised the Kaya kids up so they get more light in hopes of reducing node spacing. Each Kaya plant is topped and all plants were fed yesterday with General Organics nutrients.

The one month countdown starts today. One month until I flip the plants and figure out if I'm going to have one girl that can be bred for seed stock or just alot of great weed.

Considering the hell the plants have been through, I don't care about yields (although more is better). I do care about quality.

I have 2x Eye Hortilix bulbs coming. They're supposed to be the best for flowering. I also have a new nutrient line coming for my next grow. I think it's called Technaflora? I'm not sure about it but General Organics is too difficult to get right now and I want the complete line (General Organics GO Box vs Technaflora Recipe for Success).

I guess I'll be able to compare the results myself and I'll write a review so future me will know which nute line to use in future me's future.

Thanks for watching.

Cool little pics.

I've never stuck around for all those other ones to finish loading....

Oakiey said:

Cool little pics.

I've never stuck around for all those other ones to finish loading....

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@potroast suggested using the smaller pics.

THEY FINALLY ARRIVED!!!

Todays update is brought to you by exhaustion.

I don't feel like updating today but I haven't been doing the daily updates and I should be.

B2P1

Alive, growing, no issues, 69 days old.

B2P2

Same as above. 67 days old. 38 days old.


B3P1

Small, growing, minimal issues.

B3P2

Same as above.

I added a screen to the grow. Another week and they get their second to last insecticide treatment. This time I'll be using Kontos.

All the plants seem to be doing well. I wish I had of added the screen a month ago so I would have had more grow space above the screen.

maccc2019 said:

Thanks, I tend to steer clear of autos, feminised too, I am a believer that regular seeds are king.. but I'm old school, & that was all there used to be in the good old days, doesn't mean I'm right.
My precious arrived in the post...
fasten your seatbelts.. haha.. the last batch I bought must have been old (er) stock coz not one sprouted. Fingers crossed this time.. if you can get your hands on this strain I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

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I need your seeds.