First SCROG Grow, looking for help from the forum

[Lucky Luke]

THats a bold claim at 50% more yield. I wouldnt take that seriously. I will say light movers are nice...you can put lights closer to the plants and have even light coverage if you dont really rotate your plants and that will help your plants become bigger. It deffinately helps but you will not see 50% more yield.

. So instead of say two 600 w you can have one 600 w on a mover. It doesnt replace the lost light by 100% of cause but 50% seems a fair assessment as a mover increases the effectiveness of an indoor grow light that’s only 50% efficient when stationary, and the grow light mover does this while covering 20% more area
Is it then not getting 50% more G per w? (20% more area plus say 30% more efficiency)

 

[luv2grow]

Im very interested in your led build. Im about to add my lights to the waisted money pile too lol. Ive seen cobs on other channels get really great gram per watt so i think im going to go that route. Lmk

Look at this https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/pages/hlg-550-lamp
this was the company's claim not my own that it rocks a 1000. I built this myself for half of what they want in a different foot print.

 

[wearealldumb]

Thats a nice light. Ive been seeing those types of leds where there in rows. Are those better then the cree COBs or should i use them in conjuction? Id like to make a frame thats about 4' x 8'

 

[wearealldumb]

. So instead of say two 600 w you can have one 600 w on a mover. It doesnt replace the lost light by 100% of cause but 50% seems a fair assessment as a mover increases the effectiveness of an indoor grow light that’s only 50% efficient when stationary, and the grow light mover does this while covering 20% more area
Is it then not getting 50% more G per w? (20% more area plus say 30% more efficiency)

Using a light mover will not double your yield. Stationary lights are more then 50% effective

 

[luv2grow]

Using a light mover will not double your yield. Stationary lights are more then 50% effective

Probably not. I get closer to 30% but that's 30% in certain situations. my first time following it last run scrog single plant 600w under a mover vs 2 trellised under a stationary 600 gave me right around 30% more yield dry, single plant being the winner 1.35P vs the two non scrogs just over a P. Clones from the same mom and grown the exact same,same room all that jazz. I'm sure the scrog and the 23 days veg time helped it win. But I don't mind using movers over "short" distances at all. That being said, I had much more fun trimming the non scroggers lol

 

[Lucky Luke]

Using a light mover will not double your yield. Stationary lights are more then 50% effective

Maybe, maybe not. Keep in mind i did not say double your yield..i said a 50% increase. And I have defiantly read somewhere that a stationary light is only 50% effective. Ill have a look and see if i can find the article.

In this article they claim up to 140% more light coverage. https://howtogrowmarijuana.com/grow-light-rails-increase-yield/

Either way its a good way as Luv2grow says to get a substantial increase in yield for little running or upfront cost.


Edit ""To help avoid burning or otherwise damaging plants, fixtures are typically positioned high above the canopy. This helps with the heat problem, but it also reduces light efficiency by 50 per cent or more. This constant compromise between light density and heat buildup is sometimes referred to as plant-to-lamp tolerance. A light mover dissipates the heat produced by a grow lamp as it distributes the heat along the path of the track rather than concentrating it in one static location. The lamp doesn’t stay in one place long enough to burn plants, making it possible to place fixtures closer to the canopy." -https://www.maximumyield.com/straight-talk-about-light-moving-systems/2/1345"
Thats not the article I meant but does mention what we are talking about other than shading, which is a big problem in stationary lights

 

[wearealldumb]

Probably not. I get closer to 30% but that's 30% in certain situations. my first time following it last run scrog single plant 600w under a mover vs 2 trellised under a stationary 600 gave me right around 30% more yield dry, single plant being the winner 1.35P vs the two non scrogs just over a P. Clones from the same mom and grown the exact same,same room all that jazz. I'm sure the scrog and the 23 days veg time helped it win. But I don't mind using movers over "short" distances at all. That being said, I had much more fun trimming the non scroggers lol

Yea 30% sounds more accurate. I like movers for vegging and short distances like you said. I hate trimming scrogged plants too but its worth it man

 

[wearealldumb]

Maybe, maybe not.Keep in mind i dd not say double your yield..i said a 50% increase. And I have defiantly read somewhere that a stationary light is only 50% effective. Ill have a look and see if i can find the article.

In this article they claim up to 140% more light coverage. https://howtogrowmarijuana.com/grow-light-rails-increase-yield/

Either way its a good way as Luv2grow says to get a substantial increase in yield for little running or upfront cost.


Edit ""To help avoid burning or otherwise damaging plants, fixtures are typically positioned high above the canopy. This helps with the heat problem, but it also reduces light efficiency by 50 per cent or more. This constant compromise between light density and heat buildup is sometimes referred to as plant-to-lamp tolerance. A light mover dissipates the heat produced by a grow lamp as it distributes the heat along the path of the track rather than concentrating it in one static location. The lamp doesn’t stay in one place long enough to burn plants, making it possible to place fixtures closer to the canopy." -https://www.maximumyield.com/straight-talk-about-light-moving-systems/2/1345"
Thats not the article I meant but does mention what we are talking about other than shading, which is a big problem in stationary lights

ARticle looks pretty botched i wouldnt take it that serious for many reasons.
the first reason is if you go to that websight and look at the picture they posted theres what appears to be about 6 1000w hps lights all cooled with no movers right over a beautiful garden. Lol so why wouldnt they post there first picture of a garden with a light mover? Not saying i dont like movers . But some claims are rediculous

 

[Lucky Luke]

ARticle looks pretty botched i wouldnt take it that serious for many reasons.
the first reason is if you go to that websight and look at the picture they posted theres what appears to be about 6 1000w hps lights all cooled with no movers right over a beautiful garden. Lol so why wouldnt they post there first picture of a garden with a light mover? Not saying i dont like movers . But some claims are rediculous

I agree the claim sounds high..thats why I used the word claim. I didnt pick up on the picture but my computer screen doesnt show the top of the lights (im on a small note pad). Article is a decent read though and the maths they use seems to be correct?

I think we agree that light rails increase yield. I think we agree that to some degree a stationary light is ineffective. I think we agree that a doubling or a 100% increase in yield is unlikely. (and i did not mention that high of a % yield so you miss quoted me there) I think we agree that a light rail increases yield by a substantial amount