2nd attempt at 1st grow...problems again :-(

bkbbudz said:

HMMM Then why buy 80 different bottles? <---exaggeration I hope.

Here is a pictorial of all of my last grows except my current MG project. But don't tell anyone please it is my secret! LOL!


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This is all I have ever used for my grows. I learned everything I know from RIU, youtube, and master growers via the web. I am not as educated as you are, I would never want to do a koi pond, nor do I have a degree. If I can grow so can you.

I also know you can grow cannabis. Your girls reflect that and your love for them shows. Let me throw out a term I am sure you learned about in nursing school...munchausen by proxy...loving something to death

yes I am aware of that terrible disease...but I have never poisoned my plants to get forum attention,well at least, not intentionally, lol. Actually by M .proxy is worse than that, it's the parent getting unmet needs met through their children's sickness and medical attention, and yes, I have seen a mom inject bacteria into her own babies IV, sad sad things/people out there!!
I wanted to get these bubbles to about 16" or so before flipping them, and tbh, I think THAT is the part I look most forward to, but also it intimidates me the most.
I'm not sure what to feed them to get them ready, sure I have all these feed charts that will kill my plants if I follow them, I just need to find the right balance.
I have these 3 pricey solubles that I'm supposed to use each for 2-3 feedings, first the open sesame, then beastie bloomz, then the chaching up until flush time, but this is all assuming my plants can handle the ppm's they have listed (1960-2100 in week 12!!!!) seems I have troubles if I get over 700!!
And I don't know if that is this particular strain, or that I didn't start them out high enough and gradually increase by enough ppms, but if I gave my girls in week 5, which they are going into..1900-2100 they would die, I am pretty certain of that! Their last feed was under 800 and I flushed them after because they started getting weird growth and these brownish-orange spots!
So I am at the point now I am kinda scared to feed them!
They are all putting out tons of side branches now (great for cloning) so I am thinking perhaps it is time?
I think I may keep the one that is branchiest as a mum for clones, she's already got her little hairs, well they all do, so I guess they are mature enough, I just am so nervous that when I switch to flowering nutes that I'm going to scorch them!
They are in need of a good watering, it's been a few days, except the 2 I gave 2 cups with some mag and calcium to, the others are due and getting thirsty, the soil is dry like on the top 3-6" but further down it still feels slightly moist, I am guessing b/c I used 40-50% perlite?I do know I need to let them get dry around the roots so they don't get deprived of o2 and get rootrot or stunted, right, so should I let em go until it feels dry at the bottom holes? Its so fluffy w/ perlite I'm sure they get enough o2.
I actually think I may have troubleshooted "some" of my problem...I have like 2 feet of snow from the past few days, and my house is verrry drafty, now that I am using just the HO T-5, well it doesn't put out the heat like the MH did, and my pots sit right on the floor...now when I am bare foot, which isn't often , my feet freeeze on these hardwood floors, I have a stack of 2x4's cut into like 3 ft sections, should I raise them up a bit(the pots) so the roots aren't in such a cold zone?
I never really gave that much thought until I was in there tonight looking them over, my hands and knees were like ice after kneeling by them only 20 min or so, so they must be cold!
more leaves I am finding with the brown/rusty looking spots and a few just white spots, but I looked over all of the foliage with my 80x mag, no bugs to be seen anywhere, even though some leaves have holes and look like someones been chewin on them.
So I know the buds are why we all grow this beautiful plant, I just realized tonight I am a bit freaked out about flipping them over, it's like I don't even have a feeding schedule down that I know wont kill them, lol..so it's a scary step to make..and I did want to grow them out to be big bushy trees!
But I have read these bubbles can triple size in bud...so if that is the case I better get busy...maybe I just need to be talked though what they need, the basics...dont want to flood them with overkill..but the open sesame(5-45-19) supposed to make more bud sites and early ripening, and supposed to use in wks 4,5&6..then to the beastie bloomz(0-50-30)(makes heavy weight "fruit" maximizes blossoms) week 7&8..then cha ching(9-50-10)(increases essential oils and produces heavy resins) weekly until flush time..guess I can mix like 1/8th of what they say to use, then see how they tolerate it and hope for the best?
reading those numbers are a bit intimidating, even though the amount used is miniscule, the cha-ching does have 9 of N, and I thought in bud we stay away from N, and even let it become deficient? The "chart" says to use 1/4 tsp of all three solubles(not all at once, of course). I am thinking even less than 1/2 of that?
doing it is the scary part..I'm so chicken, I hate the thought of killing one more plant!
So do you think I aughta prepare the lil ladies to toss me some nugs?
I was hoping they'd still be having great growth etc at this point..who knows maybe the ^ in nutes will fix whatever is ailing them..
Have you ever seen anyone over-analyze the shit out of everything as I do??!
Yeah I hate that part, personally.
Plz let me know what ya think anyone reading this....
Have a wonderful night all~C

newwb said:

Plz let me know what ya think anyone reading this....
Have a wonderful night all~C

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HMMMM what do I think???

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I know you want healthy plants but nothing you are worrying about or changing and guessing at things will help you make this goal. I don't know any other way too say this...Cannabis is an herb that wants to grow. Give it basic attention and love and let it do it's thing. In other words SIMPLIFY. Good Luck.

Oh and please understand I did not mean to imply you have a terrible psychosis like MBP.

By the way, what made you decide to shut down a HID and go back to t5? Also, yes raise them and raise the temp in the area. Cold temps can cause lockout of many nutrients.

well, it covers such a large area that these lil plants just don't fill, I figured since they aren't doing any better, why pay extra $$!
The room temp has always been ok..just them being on the ground, just occurred to me the soil ground level must be verrry cold..so tomorrow when the room gets it's weekly big clean, I will bring in some lumber and stack it up so I can have a platform for the pots, then cover it in panda film, white side up, of course.
I was thinking about it, and until I go to 12/12 there is no point in spending the extra $ since my income just dropped by over 1/3.
Need to be frugal now and just watch, no more impulse buying this crap and that crap, my plants will probably start doing well too.
Damn I wish I could still at least volunteer driving people to their medical apts. it got me out, ya know?
As soon as I start getting a life again I won't be so overly ocd about the plants, lol well I am supposed to have another back surg asap...but I am putting it off as long as I can, won't be doing much but checking on them then(hopefully*), I have 2 wait at least until the seeds that just popped are happily vegging in my hydro unit, if need be, I'll give away the ones I can't figure out, simplify.
That is one thing there is no shortage of..people that would be happy to adopt a half done plant, spread the love, I say
I have to stop writing when I'm baked, I have a feeling I type way too many words, for as little as I say haha..
peace & night/morning

hey budz..what strain is that, looks amazinggg BTW!!!? Looks a lot like some ice I have seen, just not the ones I'm trying to grow =-\

you can sit them on pink insulation board, Neww, but even wood will keep the roots warmer than masonry.

you need to take BK to a steakhouse, bro......lol. he's been there for ya.

Isn't that what people do on here..post problems so they can get people with a lot more experience tell them what may be wrong and how to fix it?
Thats all I'm tryin to do..just want them to grow to their potential, and I have a feeling once they stunt, they don't ever go straight and have decent harvest, Everyone says they look ok..or good, but I don't think they would even flower, too much damage spreading, but heh..what do I know, LOL

your experience gained is gold.......and some want to be spoon-fed their grow, step-by-step. you developed your grow, and when you hit snags.....you sought advice. keep up the good work.

oh hell yes, I love it when he chimes in...lime and matt both have helped a lot, too...I so appreciate this forum, as I have said b4..I have come to heavily rely on it, it's like having a mentor day/night whenever ya have a question or concern, I am so glad I found this place!!
I think they all deserve a steak and lobster dinner, but they are how we all should be, payin it forward, it's a good thing and it comes back to ya.
Some are just so natural at teaching, they should TEACH grow classes, cause I know I have been trying my ass off to find a good class, hell I'd even take a bad one, as long as I learn something new, don't care..even been thinking about oaksterdam...that would be awesome to go and learn hands on like that..maybe some day...

agreed........positive karma in..........positive karma out.

I'm guilty of that..being spoon fed...sometimes that's what it takes to learn something new, for me anyway...and I KNOW I am a difficult person to try to help, because I am too damn analytical about every little aspect, lol.
But I feel the amount of knowledge I have gained here is amazing, in a little over 2 months time..a lot to soak in for someone who last smoked a joint when she was like 16, and that was back when dime bags were 10$ and they certainly werent buds, it was leafy shit, lol..always with seeds..blagh..there I go, aging myself again.
I have seen some amazing talent lately in young men, they can grow the most beautiful weed, see to me..THAT is worth more than a degree or anything of that nature, just being able to do it!
When I built my first pond, well I put one in where there had been one, but it was ripped and empty, so I made it bigger and nicer, until it turned into pea soup!...then it was like a whole new world,learning everything I could so I could get to that symbiotic relationship.. striking that perfect balance to where you never have algae on your walls and at 4 ft deep you can see the bottom as if it were inches deep, took me a year to learn all I felt I could, now I have a nice large virtually self maintaining pond, and that's with 13 koi, who are the biggest eaters/.shitters I have ever seen! They actually gave me the idea first on getting certification to grow..using their waste as a fertilizer...full circle kind of thing..but quickly realized you don't know how much of the micros it has at any given time,so I scrapped the idea and dove head first into studying everything I could about growing, watching all the youtube videos, etc..bought 3 of the best books, as I was told by many a grower..
I want to give an extra thanks for everyone who helps me on here, even if it's by telling me to just keep it simple!
I am getting better, not in there taking pics constantly, lol.
Thanks a million for each and every thoughtful, sharing person that has helped me on this lil journey!
So you know....I DO learn new languages, but takes awhile sometimes...and with all the pain meds, my memory isn't as great as it once was

newwb said:

hey budz..what strain is that, looks amazinggg BTW!!!? Looks a lot like some ice I have seen, just not the ones I'm trying to grow =-\

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It is either barney's farm LSD or GHS Super Lemon Haze. It came from a clone and my buddy did not mark it when he cut it. Thanks!

newwb said:

I'm guilty of that..being spoon fed...sometimes that's what it takes to learn something new, for me anyway...and I KNOW I am a difficult person to try to help, because I am too damn analytical about every little aspect, lol.

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Well guess what darlin'? Spoon feeding time is over. So is <hopefully> trying to build a thermo-nuclear reactor from coconut shells.

Please feel free to ask questions and be involved in RIU in anyway you please, we are glad to have ya!

BUT, if you want to know which 6 additives to use when two leaves turn pale, when to switch your lights from 12/12 to 14/10 to 11.75/12.25 and back to 12/12. When to hire a shaman to pray over them etc LOL! I prolly won't reply. K.I.S.S.


Have fun and get to growin!

well what a good day...the girls had their first preflowering or transition feed last night and all look surprisingly happy today! Must have been more in there of what they needed, perhaps I have been so afraid of burning them I haven't been giving them as much as they needed, cause I had to move the lights up at noon...3 of them grew that much overnight! woohoo!
And the baby-babies, that were just cracked yesterday and I thought were doing a bit slow, I put them in rockwool cubes early this am b4 bed, all had just like maybe 1/8-1/4" root, so I left the lil seed part just barely sticking out of the rockwool (which I presoaked in PH 5.6 h2o with 10 ml clonex for a lil food), and 3 of the 5 are an inch already(bubblegum, of course) and by noon the other 2 are trying to shed their seed, I'm sure by tonight they'll have popped free..slipping my mind which strain, ahh they are NYC diesel fems, 2 of them, plus..hmm I know I have 2 northern lights that I started in the coffee filter same time as the bubbles, one of the 2 finally cracked but the other is small, maybe not a good seed,Then I have 3 more ice still in the cup...think all have sunk now, time to move to the paper.. this marijuana-seeds.nl place I think sells outdated seeds, that's why they get em for so cheap, can sell them 4 cheap..I asked where they get them, they only said "top breeders in Holland" "many of which have won cannibus cups.." but they can't say because they sell their seeds for less than they do..sounds like they keep the grade A seeds, sell the others..to these smaller seed companies, that sucks...so altogether of there are 10 new babies/babies in the making, all going into rockwool,3 more bubble reg seeds(hope for 2 girls) 3 reg ice-hope for the same,the NYC-D- 2 are feminized, so usually girls, then hopefully in my hydro unit if & when the brain bucket gets here, they may finish b4 the ones in soil...we shall see!
Maybe end up with an even 6 or 7 girls, hopefully that can veg while my big girls start day 1 of flowering tonight!
So anything special I need to do, I read to let them have 24-48 hrs darkness before switching to 12, makes the flowering hormones kick in faster, is that true or bs?

And FYI I will keep experimenting with the foods for now, now that I have a copy of a more revised feed chart for fox farms specifically for MJ, it should help a LOT,
and the ones in hydro will either do GH flora, micro-bloom and a bit of grow, or try the cutting edge line, though I'm unsure how far they'd take me, pretty small sample bottles, then again, it only takes a little bit!
I have awhile to think about which to feed them, I will read up more on both options, lol.
With all the notes I take the next few weeks I should have a couple decent starting feeding schedules, these new ones I am going to try and go for higher ppms from early on, harden them to the nutes, so they will be able to handle them better, hopefully. I figure the 10cc in a quart of clonex is like 260 ppm, my waters pretty consistant at 50,thats about 200 of nutes in the rockwool now and they seem to be lovin it..so I will increase it after maybe 2 sets of leafs, then bump again after 4, then 6 etc...sound like a sound strategy? If I use the cutting edge, it's 6 bottles, has everything they need, a grow, micro and bloom then cal amp, mag amp, and one of K..shouldn't have any deficiencies with that!
In my hydro setup before I moved them to soil I think the problem I was having with slower growth was I didn't titrate the ppms up(didn't get my ppm meter right away)..just kinda would increase, then back off again when I'd see foliage problems, so they never saw their potential with just enough to keep them barely growing..
Had an ice storm last night on top of the 17" of snow, man trees are breaking all over, I am surrounded by 140-200+ foot trees, and jumpy every time I hear those popping sounds!!!!
My grow room is the only part of the house with no big roof over it, it was an addition, so it's very exposed with all the trees back there,
Wish me luck..hopefully going to warm up and rain by Thursday, until then there's almost 2 feet of snow on a 1/8 acre driveway I couldn't dig out of in a hundred yrs!
Have a great day and keep growing those gorgeous plants!!!
C
This time, by 4 weeks, I would like to see them tolerating their feeds and having some of this hybrid vigor I have read so much about! Any vigor will be nice!

That's the spirit!!!...always move forward...and this may sound weird, but plants can sense neg vibes, so if you are down and feeling stressed.... so are they.

pics...flowering DAY 1!
Oh the plants get good vibes, I play music for them 24/7 and talk to them a lot when I'm in there, especially if I am high =-\
They don't see me at my desk where I do most of my studying, lol..and stressing..