DarkWeb
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Oh a condo wow
3 separate lights on the same timer?
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Grow So High
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dang I guess a condo isn’t good enough?
A surge protector is NOT a circuit breaker. Your device is rated at 10A.
I design and build water purification systems (for large communities), home security systems and grow automation systems.
Just because you use crap and then feebly attempt to qualify it as good, doesn't mean it is.
It's cheap crap that doesn't even handle a standard 15A circuit for goodness sake.
Grow So High
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It literally says 15 amps on it! I told this guy what I use and what works for me and here come the master grower/electricians/Air Force police coming after me. I use a 15 amp ETL certified smart surge protector. I’m not an electrician but I’m not stupid and I know how many amps my breaker can take. Stop being close minded not everything new is bad
Grow So High
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Never was even talking to you, you brought yourself into this old man
The device you linked to is 10A. A 15A surge protector will NOT protect an overload through a 10A device.
This isn't a fallacy, it's absolute fact. Unless your wireless device has over-current protection (there isn't a single claim that it does), there's NO WAY it can regulate itself from an overload.
No "police" are coming after YOU. I'm advising the OP that you're recommending a cheap piece of crap that isn't even rated the same as a standard wall outlet, and if it has no protection built in, could literally be the cause of a fire.
We have differing opinions. One of us is licensed and certified with things electrical, the other isn't.
The OP can of course decide for himself as to which route to take. It's not my grow or my house.
Grow So High
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you are speculating on things you don’t even know. I would hate to have you as my electrician. Once again it’s 15 amps and I don’t even use about half of it. My house is just fine. Next time how about you mind your own business
Here is the link you supplied: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RQNFL7R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_on-xEbT3HYSZT
Now, see in the heading? "10A". That means it's rated for 10 Amps.
If you linked to the wrong item, take the time to present yourself accurately next time. You're literally advising someone... the least you could do is advise with correct facts.
Everything I said was based on the information you provided us with. If that ISN'T the device you use, fine, but you inadvertently advised the OP to use something that does appear inherently dangerous, especially when dealing with operating high-amperage grow lamps.
...and how do you know that you're not even using half of the amperage rating? Have you measured the current? Again, more guesswork on your part.
Grow So High
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it’s not rocket science to calculate how many amps you are using based on the devices you have plugged in. You literally have no idea what I even use this outlet for lol this is the sad part. It’s ETL rated and has been tested for compliance. You are an internet electrician
The linked item is 10A, and there is no claim anywhere that it's certified. One of the QA even says it has no label at all.
Call me what you will, but I'm confident and very accurate when I advise someone of something. You are either lying, misleading, mistaken or all of the above.
You're also arguing in a losing battle with a long-established member of the site, using name calling and other silliness.
fragileassassin
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Walmart now sells 15a dual outlet versions of their mechanical timers. I use two of these and set them the same. I timed my turn off when I set it up and manually turned them off at the same time. Now they go on and off within a few minutes of each other and they are reliable.
Grow So High
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I don’t care how long you been on this site. You seem proud of all of your “accomplishments”. None of that means s*** to me. I have been using this outlet for a while and I know how it operates a lot better than you. I was simply stating a suggestion for what I use right? And then a bunch of other people state their suggestions and the OP chooses which one best fits him right? That’s how the site works since you are so experienced. I’m keeping it real civil with my “name calling” definitely trying to be nice. Next time read my comment and move on.
fragileassassin
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You are being inaccurate though. That is not good advice. You say things about your device that differ from the product you linked to. Two different things, which is it?
When you advise someone, it's important to be accurate. You're misleading, at best.
Your "suggestion" was to use a product that apparently you don't even have (I don't even believe that, actually).
How can people trust you when you're saying one thing, but facts prove otherwise?
Grow So High
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What is wrong with you lmao you think I’m recommending something I don’t use? I don’t know why it says 10amps maybe the product was updated since I bought it but on my outlet it says 15amp. So a 15 amp smart surge protector that is ETL rated is bad advice? It was simply a suggestion. Not really into this back and forth stuff. Move on
Dude, I was pointing out the inherent danger of using a non-certified, lower-than-standard amperage device. The very one you listed is both of those things.
You went off on a tangent, arguing against what I was saying based on something you have that is now completely unrelated to what you advised the OP of.
...and no, a 15A surge protector isn't bad advise at all. However, using a 15A surge protector connected to a 10A device will NOT protect against over-current on the 10A device, which has apparently no over-current protection built in.
If you're not into this back-and-forth like this, then do some due diligence the next time you advise someone on something, especially that could potentially be dangerous. Don't just pick a random link on Amazon and present it as something you use, when apparently it's not.
Details matter. With electrical, they matter a lot.
Grow So High
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how are you gonna tell me I don’t use the product? like I said, maybe they have updated the item since I’ve bought it. The product I have is a 15 amp smart surge protector that is etl rated. I took the link from my purchase history directly from amazon which I assumed it would be the same. Even so there is nothing wrong with using a 10 amp surge protector. You are speculating on what devices are being plugged into it which is what makes you sound so stupid.
Grow So High
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If you want to continue this argument let’s do it in person. If not peace out
A SURGE PROTECTOR DOES NOT PROTECT AGAINST OVER-CURRENT SITUATIONS.
And again, if the product you linked to is not the same, you should spell it out that A) it is a lower-than-standard current rating, and B) they seem to not be electrically-certified any longer.
I am not speculating on what YOU have plugged into it. I was interested in what the OP wanted to plug into it. I did not ever advise you not to use the device. I was advising the OP, with a long-time background in electrical, that using a 10A piece of crap device that is not even electrically certified is a very bad idea. I don't care what you have. You did not link to the device you have. You linked against something else that apparently looks the same, but has very different characteristics.