30ish Yr old Columbian Gold Seed Sprouts. Do I Want it to be a Male or Female?

man, been a hella month plus. work work work. seems like its all i do, but i dont gotz no money when im done working. se la vie.

so.... quick update:

the girl in bloom is coming along nicely. as ive noted before, at this point, i have to conclude shes not a sativa. im going with likely a pure indica breed. so this would of been a pure indica from the late 70s, early 80 times.

any ideas/possibilities anyone?

will for sure put up a few pics. but shes looking good all around. though the one in bloom does have something going on. i ll get pics tomorrow. got me a bit perplexed as to what.

the Gold i remember looked pretty similar to that, seemed to be a bit a deeper golden color, but that seems very familiar. the grapefruit smell also seems about right. and your results also seems pretty reminisent of my experiences.

but this girl, what ever she is has been thru a bit. i took the cut in bloom, and another cutting later. after a few, i decided to top her due to a small veg area. alas, the top didnt root for me. bummer, but the lower areas got more light and started doing better. then i upgraded my veg light to a 2nd 400w Philips CMH as it did So good, with the veg cycle up until i had to split the grow up to veg/bloom areas. so under the 2nd cmh, all my veg plants have started to show great comfort with the new light, as i was sure they would.

then last weekend, i put the original seedling into bloom ( the bottom left after topping). i ofcourse have a couple other cuts of her in veg doing quite well atm.
my new ballast shit out on me, so it ll be going to swap out tomorrow for a new one. but i ll get pics up over the weekend.

thinking i have a Cal and/or Mag deficientcy happening. will up the Pro Tect to 1 tsp for every feeding and see if things gets better.


thoughts/ideas?


she went into bloom near the end of may around the 29th. so she would be about 8 or 9 weeks this weekend.
going to pull out the scope and take a look at her up close.

also have a couple Big Buds that went into bloom at the same time, so the same age in bloom. anyone know the ave bloom time for a big bud? off the top of your head?

Timmahh

there does seem to be something going on that is not quite right
losing fan color at this time isn't automatically bad, depends on the strain/pheno
it will be hard to do much, extra feeding may make matters worse, but you never know

for more info. i have one of the big buds showing the same exact issue. not quite as drastic as it is on the mystery girl, but the same none the less.

at 8 weeks, the big buds are said to be done, and after a look, i see about 5% amber going on. so im starting to flush them hard this weekend, and then they ll be cut on sunday.

the mystery girl has alot of the trichs cloudy, but i didnt see any amber yet. but it is also getting flushed really hard over the weekend, though i may let her go one more week before i cut here to see if i can get any ambers coming in.

gave all 3 a single gallon of water, with a tsp of Pro Teck in it. then just gave another gallon thru them of plain water.
will get another gallon later this evening, after i dump the trays.

it has been hot the last 2.5 weeks. in the 90s with about a 60% humidity. light was about 18 inches above id say. so maybe heat influanced to some extent.

have you lifted it out of the container to see if you have the beginning of root rot

no i have not. its at 8 or 9 weeks today. Id estimate the trichs are near 80% coudy, but no sign of ambers.

So i made the executive decision to start flushing. may let it go for one more week depending on if i see any amber by sunday...

at any rate, i ll be contacting one of the testing facilities in the next few days to get the rundown on how they desire the sample for testing.

Any lab results yet? Been waiting on this for months lol... Good luck! Hope all is well!!!

I remember when you started this thread in the beginning of the year, I was following along but left the site for awhile... Couldn't remember my password so here I am following under a new persona..lol... Great work so far man,can't wait to hear the lab results...

Yeah I've been wondering how this has turned out myself.

i heard someone say back in the begging they didn't believe you that the seed was 30 years old....well FUCK that guy!!!! me and my pops grew some shit back in 97. he had seeds from when he was in high school. shit GERMINATED!!! it is POSSIBLE!!!! so, whatever you think, go on being close minded. when you happen to run across your seed stash 30 years from now, see what will happen. or not, lol!!!

what happened to this?

Waiting on the OP...

He's a busy dude...

seeds can germ older then that odss go down but whut you expect

true dat!!! i believe it!

i'd vote for a male so you could breed it with a 75% columbian like senor garcia or world of seed's columbian gold, but then again, as you have a pure sample and it's still viable, WHATEVER you have is literally worth it's weight in gold! i'm sooooooooo fucking jealous! you don't know! LOL i started out smoking gold and only despise indicas for replacing it a few years later & making it virtually extinct, especially in pure form as far as the seed market goes.

if you get a female, you could always clone it and try a couple crosses with either an indoor friendly psychoactive strain like 8 miles high to keep it from being indica polluted and back cross it 2 or three generations for a nearly pure strain. i tell you, if you put it on the market, i'd buy it in a heartbeat! 75% sativa skunk #1 only pisses me off with it's couchlock. you could also cross it with a neutral buzzed lowryder to shrink it down for indoor growth, again without making it funky or stoney.

it really doesn't matter what sex it is. all that matters is that you have PURE genetics. i'd trade every bean in my collection including the soon to be extinct joey weed C99xA11s for real columbian gold! i really like super potent haze skunk by high quality seeds, but i don't think it has the same level of sensory overload that gold does, particularly in the visuals department and is more about euphoria, creativity & motivation. crossing your gold with that and then back crossing would be nice as would back crossing with senor garcia or WoS's gold. if anything, maybe that would be best as their gold's might offer some extra hybrid vigor as they're differently sourced than yours.

please do keep us posted on what you breed, or even better, how it smokes. PLEASE preserve it in as pure form as possible.

did i mention i'm off the charts fucking jealous and trust me, i'm not prone to jealousy, but columbian gold is THE FUNNEST THING in life!!!

I just read through this entire 44 page thread, and I'll recap briefly:

-Timmah found some 30+ year old seeds in a cup he stashed in the 1970s.
-He believed that the seeds in question were pulled from a kilo of pedigreed Columbian gold (but might have been Maui Wowie).
-One seed germinated, turned female, and showed indica-type leaves, effectively proving that it is NOT the fabled Columbian Sativa strain.
-The plant in question appears to be curing right now, and if my timing is right, should be ready for "testing" pretty soon. Presumably a smoke report will be coming thereafter.
-Along the way two posters got into a urination fight, one saying in effect "my poo is better than anything from the 1970s and you're all wasting your time with this disco era stuff" and the other claiming "you weren't there and you really don't know what you're talking about".

And here we are.

As to myself, all I can say is that the Columbian gold did enjoy the reputation of being the best in its day. Or, to put it more specifically, of the various pot types commercially available in the USA in the mid/late 1970s, (Mexican, Panamanian, etc) the Columbian was supposed to be the best of them.

I never got to try it personally, though I would say, I'd be a lot more interested in trying something like that then whatever happens to be the genetically-incestual Dutch wonder-hybrid flavor of the month.

I have no reason to think that the famous Columbian shouldn't be as good as any of the top shelf stuff from today. Again, cannabis has been selectively bred by people for just about as long as recorded human history, at least several thousand years, and probably about as long as people have been breeding ANY plant. So genetic maximum potency (or pretty damn close) was undoubtedly achieved independently, many times and in many places on the globe.

In terms of true historical loss of the strain, it possible, but who knows?

Even though the stuff hasn't been imported into the USA in quantity since the Reagan administration, it seems probable that some of the "good stuff" would still have been grown in Columbia for local use more recently than that. For all I know some direct descendant of the 70s era strain may still be grown down there in some farmer's backyard.

Now, if some seeds could potentially survive in a coffee cup in the USA after thirty years, its got to be possible, if not probable, that some peasant in mountainous Columbia still has some old viable seeds stashed away somewhere.

One practical problem with these sorts of heirloom (not properly "landrace" since they've undoubtedly been selectively bred by people) strains is that after generations of natural and manmade selection, they'll do best in their native environment. Take "Columbia Gold" and try and grow it in your backyard, and you may well end up with "New Jersey Schwagg"!

excellent summary Jogro!
i'll refresh some details from my memory, this was from the CG that was around in late 74(?)/75
price was $35 an oz, serious cash at the time
this batch of CG was the earliest? but who knows for sure, i have had some conversations with those that remember the same stuff
beautiful buds, and very gold in color, never had seen their like before
strong, but strength wasn't the best point, the quality was - a very, very nice effect
memories fade over time, and this one is going, but i do know i'd gladly pay $35 a zip if it was around today
and it may well be, supposedly came from the Santa Marta region

Back in the day ('76-'77) in L.A. we had plenty of Columbian Gold available
at exactly $60oz. This "Gold Bud" was actually Bright Yellow and this is 100%
true without the slightest of doubts. I know cause I bought plenty and it was
gooooooood! Btw, know how the pot got the "Gold" color?
Growers would tie up the outdoor plants and let them dry under the "Golden Sun".
Look it up!

It was 60, 65 bucks a lid in 73-76 or so.
Brown lumbo was 40, 45.
Great Hash for ten a gram
Hash oil was 20 for a vial
Three reds for a buck etc

i guess you guys have never heard of the "planck cut" of santa maria floating around europe.

my friend has made beans with this elite clone for ages... maintaining its purity.

well let me turn y'all on to the next best thing : scroll down about half way : http://www.growshopalien.com/onlineshop/contents/en-uk/d120.html

ahem.