3rd week flowering yellow fan leaves at top

loaded 420

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Hey whats up everyone, need help with this problem i am having during 3rd week flower. Yellowing fan leaves at the top of plant with some red coloration going on. I am growing in soil with organics. Using the earth juice line. I have heard they are a little lite on nitrogen and i did give some during the first few weeks into flower. Growing with a 400 watt hps in a 3x3x5 tent. The plant having trouble is a flow #2 first time growing it. my temps are consistent at around 78 to 80 during lights on 70 to 73 lights off. Any help would be great as the problem seems to be getting worse. If i left anything out leave a message
 

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polishpollack

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the fact that your leaves are dark green indicates too much fert, probably nitrogen. so exactly how much of the fert did you give and how long ago?
 

loaded 420

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the fact that your leaves are dark green indicates too much fert, probably nitrogen. so exactly how much of the fert did you give and how long ago?
thanks for replying to my post. I think you might be right. It got worse after i fed them more veg nutes. i was giving it 1 tsp veg and 1 1/2 tbs bloom, 5 drops sea green and natural ph up. I didnt think i was over feeding but the plant could have a low tolerance to nitrogen. Its just the first time having this problem in flower. Im not going to give it any more veg nutes. If it does get worse then i know its something else and yes my ph is good at 6.7 6.8 those are the numbers i have been using since i started growing 4 years ago and it seems to work well. thanks man
 

loaded 420

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why would you give both veg and bloom ferts? that's your problem.[/QUOTE I have always given both types of nutes for the first few weeks of flower to ensure the plant had enough nitrogen thru the whole flower phase. I know im not the only one that does that. It has served me well thru 10 + grows. So no, that's not my problem but thanks anyway.
 

hells canyon genetics

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Just because the p is available dosent meen your plant is able to absorb it its locked up for some reason just flush them with a couple gal of water each and hold off on the nutes for a week or 2 and it will fix its self
 

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Just because the p is available dosent meen your plant is able to absorb it its locked up for some reason just flush them with a couple gal of water each and hold off on the nutes for a week or 2 and it will fix its self
I thought it was a lockout or something. It's just weird cause i didn't think i was over doing it on the fert's. I have been working my way up from 1 tsp to 1 tbs then im at 1 1/2 tbs now. I did just give the micro nutes , micro blast, meta k, cal mag and the catalyst two waterings ago except the catalyst which i give every 2 weeks and the plant didn't get any worse after that but my regular feeding before that it did. The only other time i gave the micro nutes were at the fourth week of veg. I do the water, feed, water, feed method. It will be a little over a week between feedings so if the problem gets worse after the next feeding then i will know if its a lockout or toxicity. if so i will do a water, water, feed method to see if that helps. I wish i could flush but it wouldn't help since i am growing organically. Never had this problem before and probably wont be the last. Damn palnt is probably just one of those finicky feeders. Not to much or to little. Im still learning and love growing. Thanks for lending a hand it's much appreciated.
 

polishpollack

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Loaded, you have loaded your plants with too much fert. you said it yourself with this: "It got worse after i fed them more veg nutes."
How can you prove the ferts are locked up? That's just guessing. you have proof that things went bad after you gave it more fert. I bet that's your problem. In this last post, you say that you've actually given more fert than you mentioned in your first post. You're overdoing it.
 

mike4c4

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I thought it was a lockout or something. It's just weird cause i didn't think i was over doing it on the fert's. . I did just give the micro nutes , micro blast, meta k, cal mag and the catalyst two waterings ago except the catalyst which i give every 2 weeks and the plant didn't get any worse after that but my regular feeding before that it did. The only other time i gave the micro nutes were at the fourth week of veg. I do the water, feed, water, feed method. It will be a little over a week between feedings so if the problem gets worse after the next feeding then i will know if its a lockout or toxicity. if so i will do a water, water, feed method to see if that helps. I wish i could flush but it wouldn't help since i am growing organically. Never had this problem before and probably wont be the last. Damn palnt is probably just one of those finicky feeders. Not to much or to little. Im still learning and love growing. Thanks for lending a hand it's much appreciated.
First off flushing WILL help in your case. You are putting nutes on your organic soil. The nutes you poured on needs flushed out. You have been working my way up from 1 tsp to 1 tbs then im at 1 1/2 tbs now? So how do you know how much nutes your realty putting on them, and how much is in your soil? 1 tsp 1tbs 1/12 tbs means nothing. You should be measuring it in PPM with a meter and not how much you can get in a scoop.
 

mr sunshine

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Loaded, you have loaded your plants with too much fert. you said it yourself with this: "It got worse after i fed them more veg nutes."
How can you prove the ferts are locked up? That's just guessing. you have proof that things went bad after you gave it more fert. I bet that's your problem. In this last post, you say that you've actually given more fert than you mentioned in your first post. You're overdoing it.
It locked out certain nutrients because he over fed it and caused salt build up
 

nobody important 666

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Hey whats up everyone, need help with this problem i am having during 3rd week flower. Yellowing fan leaves at the top of plant with some red coloration going on. I am growing in soil with organics. Using the earth juice line. I have heard they are a little lite on nitrogen and i did give some during the first few weeks into flower. Growing with a 400 watt hps in a 3x3x5 tent. The plant having trouble is a flow #2 first time growing it. my temps are consistent at around 78 to 80 during lights on 70 to 73 lights off. Any help would be great as the problem seems to be getting worse. If i left anything out leave a message
Hey whats up everyone, need help with this problem i am having during 3rd week flower. Yellowing fan leaves at the top of plant with some red coloration going on. I am growing in soil with organics. Using the earth juice line. I have heard they are a little lite on nitrogen and i did give some during the first few weeks into flower. Growing with a 400 watt hps in a 3x3x5 tent. The plant having trouble is a flow #2 first time growing it. my temps are consistent at around 78 to 80 during lights on 70 to 73 lights off. Any help would be great as the problem seems to be getting worse. If i left anything out leave a message
I use ej as well and found one big one is don't let them dry out. It kills all the benefits of ej and the other is you have to use micro or in my case I add a bit of karma to the mix. Should clear up in a couple of weeks. Btw ej does not cause a salt build up, been using it for over 10yrs and have never seen it. use the grow until week 6 at full strength. Hope that helps.
 

loaded 420

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Loaded, you have loaded your plants with too much fert. you said it yourself with this: "It got worse after i fed them more veg nutes."
How can you prove the ferts are locked up? That's just guessing. you have proof that things went bad after you gave it more fert. I bet that's your problem. In this last post, you say that you've actually given more fert than you mentioned in your first post. You're overdoing it.

I think i confused you polish pollack about the amount i have been giving the plants i was talking about bloom ferts not veg. For the veg nutes i gave 1 tsp then 1/2 tsp for the first 2 weeks. Hope that clears that up. As for mr sunshine you obviously dont grow with organic ferts. I have never heard of a salt build up with organic ferts. Only chemical ferts have a high concentrate of salts. As for mike c4c the point to feeding organics is to feed the soil and not the plant and for chemical ferts is to feed the plant and not the soil. I dont understand how i am supposed to flush bennifical organisms out of my soil. The only reason to flush is to clear up salt build ups from chemical ferts . Its pointless to flush organic grows . As for nobody important 666 , thank you. Just wondering how often do you use all the secondary elements. micro, catalyst etc ? Also were you saying to use veg ferts 6 weeks into flower? That kinda scares me lol thanks for helping and as for everyone else sorry if i offened you but you shoulnt really chime in unless you know what your talking about.
 

nobody important 666

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I think i confused you polish pollack about the amount i have been giving the plants i was talking about bloom ferts not veg. For the veg nutes i gave 1 tsp then 1/2 tsp for the first 2 weeks. Hope that clears that up. As for mr sunshine you obviously dont grow with organic ferts. I have never heard of a salt build up with organic ferts. Only chemical ferts have a high concentrate of salts. As for mike c4c the point to feeding organics is to feed the soil and not the plant and for chemical ferts is to feed the plant and not the soil. I dont understand how i am supposed to flush bennifical organisms out of my soil. The only reason to flush is to clear up salt build ups from chemical ferts . Its pointless to flush organic grows . As for nobody important 666 , thank you. Just wondering how often do you use all the secondary elements. micro, catalyst etc ? Also were you saying to use veg ferts 6 weeks into flower? That kinda scares me lol thanks for helping and as for everyone else sorry if i offened you but you shoulnt really chime in unless you know what your talking about.
I use the cat at mid dosage every feed. I went back and read your using powder instead of the liquid. However ive tried stopping using grow early but found by the end most of the leaves have used up all the nutes, not necessary bad but it does make the buds a little ugly. I used the micro before but supposedly it is only required once a week. Thats why I use karma half does in veg and weeks 3-6.
 

mike4c4

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I think i confused you polish pollack about the amount i have been giving the plants i was talking about bloom ferts not veg. For the veg nutes i gave 1 tsp then 1/2 tsp for the first 2 weeks. Hope that clears that up. As for mr sunshine you obviously dont grow with organic ferts. I have never heard of a salt build up with organic ferts. Only chemical ferts have a high concentrate of salts. As for mike c4c the point to feeding organics is to feed the soil and not the plant and for chemical ferts is to feed the plant and not the soil. I dont understand how i am supposed to flush bennifical organisms out of my soil. The only reason to flush is to clear up salt build ups from chemical ferts . Its pointless to flush organic grows . As for nobody important 666 , thank you. Just wondering how often do you use all the secondary elements. micro, catalyst etc ? Also were you saying to use veg ferts 6 weeks into flower? That kinda scares me lol thanks for helping and as for everyone else sorry if i offened you but you shoulnt really chime in unless you know what your talking about.
Here you should read this and find out where salt buildup comes from and why to flush. If you want to do organic this is a must read.
https://mega.co.nz/#!uNIW3RBY!hpklzvSPj-G6N5scHqltvKvQO1dgxr8-AyQ3O70m78M
 

polishpollack

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I think what you have with organic ferts in molecules that are of too large of size to be absorbed. this is why you need bacteria to break the stuff down to a level plants can take up. this process takes a while. typically, once these ferts are in the soil, there really is not flushing them out, but then you shouldn't have to as you depend on the break down rate from bacteria to provide ferts over time. I've advocated the use of organic ferts, but the problem is they take longer. Ideally, a grower allows soil to sit in a container, moist and warm, for several weeks before using. the good thing about chemical ferts is they can be used right away; the bad thing is they can easily be over done.
yeah, I was confused about you dosages. In reviewing this thread, I stand by what I said earlier because you are apparently using liquid ferts which might already be broken down for easy, quick use. because the leaves are dark green with dying tips, I still think there is too much fert here. I'm not always right, I could really be missing something here, but right now over fert is what this looks like. I just don't see how salt buildup can be seen as the cause of leaf death when much of the leaf still looks so green. I suspect that this is just too much nitrogen. but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. personally, I think I would give some more water and see what happens.
 
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