braddaheee
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Looks good.. Getting closer to harvest! I'm looking forward to the WW grow, so keep us posted!
400watt HPS COCO indoor grow
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Blackhawk149
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The temperatures here have gone so high m running 94 with lights on. 
elchupacabra
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haha temme about it...i'm running about 95 outdoorsThe temperatures here have gone so high m running 94 with lights on.
it's a test for the survival of the fittest. only the strongest seedlings will live. and dafuq we had a pretty large premonsoon rain last night...try putting in another fan...i did that in my tiny indoor grow box (about 2ft x 2ft x 2ft) and it made a massive difference. then again i have an area of 8 cubic feet, so my 44cfm fans work pretty fucking well...
which brand is your HPS bulb? how far do you keep it from seedlings? from the plants?
elchupacabra
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as for your plants, i'd say the somango is closing in but the NLxJH has a bit more to go...i won't use the phrase 'quite a while' because after growing indian sativas it means a whole differnt thing to me...
and personally, unlike what someone said earlier, i would flush, simply because the temperatures have gone up so high. however it is important that you don't drown the roots in your attempt to flush, because higher temperatures does mean that root rot will thrive better...but since you're growing with chem, i'd flush my nuts off of that thing and try and increase the ventilation. trust me, having chemical residue in your pot ruins it completely...makes it not much better than the spikadelic stuff we get here black ashed j's that keep going out...flushing won't hurt, but not flushing can...
and personally, unlike what someone said earlier, i would flush, simply because the temperatures have gone up so high. however it is important that you don't drown the roots in your attempt to flush, because higher temperatures does mean that root rot will thrive better...but since you're growing with chem, i'd flush my nuts off of that thing and try and increase the ventilation. trust me, having chemical residue in your pot ruins it completely...makes it not much better than the spikadelic stuff we get here
black ashed j's that keep going out...flushing won't hurt, but not flushing can...
Blackhawk149
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my bulb is hawells, I keep it about 4-6 inches away.haha temme about it...i'm running about 95 outdoors
try putting in another fan...i did that in my tiny indoor grow box (about 2ft x 2ft x 2ft) and it made a massive difference. then again i have an area of 8 cubic feet, so my 44cfm fans work pretty fucking well...
which brand is your HPS bulb? how far do you keep it from seedlings? from the plants?
And yes last night rain helped a lot. Temps haven't gone above 90 since it rained.
Blackhawk149
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i won't be able to run nlxjack longer than April, my house is being redone so carpenters wd be everywhere. I wd have to chop it latest by 24th April.as for your plants, i'd say the somango is closing in but the NLxJH has a bit more to go...i won't use the phrase 'quite a while' because after growing indian sativas it means a whole differnt thing to me...
and personally, unlike what someone said earlier, i would flush, simply because the temperatures have gone up so high. however it is important that you don't drown the roots in your attempt to flush, because higher temperatures does mean that root rot will thrive better...but since you're growing with chem, i'd flush my nuts off of that thing and try and increase the ventilation. trust me, having chemical residue in your pot ruins it completely...makes it not much better than the spikadelic stuff we get here
For flushing I guess I would just leach somango starting tomorrow, flush it on friday, keep it in dark for 3 days and chop it on next tuesday. But it might be earlier or later. I have heard autos don't get amber trichomes. The pistils are 50/50 brown white now.
Never thought judging the harvest would be so difficult.
Nlxjack has about 10% brown pistils but no trichomes on leaves.
How much do u think I would yeild?
somango is 19 inches tall and nlxjack is 26 inches tall.
elchupacabra
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hmm keeping in the dark for three days is strongly unadvised in our climate. voice of experience. one day is enough. if your somango is 50/50 i strongly recommend you to start flushing...i'm not too sure what 'leaching' is, but if it's some sort of midway option between flushing and feeding, it needs to be skipped in this situation. your plant needs one full week of thorough flushing at the very very least to get rid of whatever the hell it is when you grow with chem...you can flush extra with no repercussions, the last thing you want to do is not flush enough and wind up with funny tasting poorly burning bud after months of wait...
as for your jackie chan, 24th april is more than enough time...you can speed up the process by putting your light cycle on 12/12 if it isn't already...this will speed up the process while not affecting growth. post a good picture of your somango in daylight i'll tell you whether or not she's done : ) once you finish a couple plants, different strains, you'll be able to tell by just looking at the plant in general.
yield, i can't really tell you because to be honest, after the first few plants i stopped weighing my yield because the information was irrelevant to me. i had enough bud and it was good bud. also didn't have a weighing scale that was probably a major factor
also my idea of 'grams' as far as pot goes is majorly influenced by indian scores, which means 100 grams of pot to me is 100 grams of pot, twigs, mother leaves, and buds. i really have no idea how much percent of that is actually 'bud'. however, the one plant i did weigh, my papaya (not auto), had ridiculously dense buds (seemed ridiculous to me, probably cause of my lack of indica exposure) and was about 14" in height, grown 12/12 fs outdoors...yielded about 1.5 oz dried and trimmed...i believe the yield was about 4.5-5 oz wet, can't remember exactly...
also, your jack auto does have trichomes. contradictory to general notion, the plant actually has trichomes from shortly after the seedling stage. these trichomes do not have thc (in a quantity worth mentioning) and have just a very low concentration of terpenes. as the plant gets through the flowering stage, some strains have ridiculously large crystals that bend and curve because of their sheer length and look like a colony of crystal mushrooms growing on the bud, others have very very tiny crystals that hardly have a stalk to speak of. show me a pic of the jack as well in daylight and i'll tell you what the scene is with her.
as for your jackie chan, 24th april is more than enough time...you can speed up the process by putting your light cycle on 12/12 if it isn't already...this will speed up the process while not affecting growth. post a good picture of your somango in daylight i'll tell you whether or not she's done : ) once you finish a couple plants, different strains, you'll be able to tell by just looking at the plant in general.
yield, i can't really tell you because to be honest, after the first few plants i stopped weighing my yield because the information was irrelevant to me. i had enough bud and it was good bud. also didn't have a weighing scale that was probably a major factor
also my idea of 'grams' as far as pot goes is majorly influenced by indian scores, which means 100 grams of pot to me is 100 grams of pot, twigs, mother leaves, and buds. i really have no idea how much percent of that is actually 'bud'. however, the one plant i did weigh, my papaya (not auto), had ridiculously dense buds (seemed ridiculous to me, probably cause of my lack of indica exposure) and was about 14" in height, grown 12/12 fs outdoors...yielded about 1.5 oz dried and trimmed...i believe the yield was about 4.5-5 oz wet, can't remember exactly...
also, your jack auto does have trichomes. contradictory to general notion, the plant actually has trichomes from shortly after the seedling stage. these trichomes do not have thc (in a quantity worth mentioning) and have just a very low concentration of terpenes. as the plant gets through the flowering stage, some strains have ridiculously large crystals that bend and curve because of their sheer length and look like a colony of crystal mushrooms growing on the bud, others have very very tiny crystals that hardly have a stalk to speak of. show me a pic of the jack as well in daylight and i'll tell you what the scene is with her.
jondamon
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Hey Blackhawk.
Just thought I'd link you to my harvest update of my blueberry cheese grow.
439g from 4 plants under 400w.
That's dry weight by the way.
1.09g/w.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/614911-my-grow-room-some-cheese-6.html#post8901221
As for flushing and chemical tastes etc from using chems, whether using Chem or organic its the same things that get uptaken by the plant. The only difference being that with Chem nutes it can already be uptaken by the plant whereas with organics it needs to be converted by the fungi and bacteria contained within the rhizosphere.
I use chem nutes and like I mentioned I don't flush.
I don't try to persuade anyone either way other than try it for yourself.
If you don't buy into all the snake oils and don't heavily feed stupid level bloom boosters and potions then there isn't any need to flush IMO as you are only giving the plants just what they require to stay healthy.
J
Just thought I'd link you to my harvest update of my blueberry cheese grow.
439g from 4 plants under 400w.
That's dry weight by the way.
1.09g/w.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/614911-my-grow-room-some-cheese-6.html#post8901221
As for flushing and chemical tastes etc from using chems, whether using Chem or organic its the same things that get uptaken by the plant. The only difference being that with Chem nutes it can already be uptaken by the plant whereas with organics it needs to be converted by the fungi and bacteria contained within the rhizosphere.
I use chem nutes and like I mentioned I don't flush.
I don't try to persuade anyone either way other than try it for yourself.
If you don't buy into all the snake oils and don't heavily feed stupid level bloom boosters and potions then there isn't any need to flush IMO as you are only giving the plants just what they require to stay healthy.
J
Blackhawk149
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hmm keeping in the dark for three days is strongly unadvised in our climate. voice of experience. one day is enough. if your somango is 50/50 i strongly recommend you to start flushing...i'm not too sure what 'leaching' is, but if it's some sort of midway option between flushing and feeding, it needs to be skipped in this situation. your plant needs one full week of thorough flushing at the very very least to get rid of whatever the hell it is when you grow with chem...you can flush extra with no repercussions, the last thing you want to do is not flush enough and wind up with funny tasting poorly burning bud after months of wait...
as for your jackie chan, 24th april is more than enough time...you can speed up the process by putting your light cycle on 12/12 if it isn't already...this will speed up the process while not affecting growth. post a good picture of your somango in daylight i'll tell you whether or not she's done : ) once you finish a couple plants, different strains, you'll be able to tell by just looking at the plant in general.
yield, i can't really tell you because to be honest, after the first few plants i stopped weighing my yield because the information was irrelevant to me. i had enough bud and it was good bud. also didn't have a weighing scale that was probably a major factor
also my idea of 'grams' as far as pot goes is majorly influenced by indian scores, which means 100 grams of pot to me is 100 grams of pot, twigs, mother leaves, and buds. i really have no idea how much percent of that is actually 'bud'. however, the one plant i did weigh, my papaya (not auto), had ridiculously dense buds (seemed ridiculous to me, probably cause of my lack of indica exposure) and was about 14" in height, grown 12/12 fs outdoors...yielded about 1.5 oz dried and trimmed...i believe the yield was about 4.5-5 oz wet, can't remember exactly...
also, your jack auto does have trichomes. contradictory to general notion, the plant actually has trichomes from shortly after the seedling stage. these trichomes do not have thc (in a quantity worth mentioning) and have just a very low concentration of terpenes. as the plant gets through the flowering stage, some strains have ridiculously large crystals that bend and curve because of their sheer length and look like a colony of crystal mushrooms growing on the bud, others have very very tiny crystals that hardly have a stalk to speak of. show me a pic of the jack as well in daylight and i'll tell you what the scene is with her.
Thank you so much for your help. I would post the pics by evening.
by the way is anyone here growing it as a true medicine? Because I am kind off.
elchupacabra
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my indica strains are for medical purposes...i'm an insomniac.Thank you so much for your help. I would post the pics by evening.
by the way is anyone here growing it as a true medicine? Because I am kind off.
elchupacabra
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hmm i can't help but disagree with you on this one mate...while i agree that in the end, the same things do get taken up by the plant, you have to remember that bacteria/fungi (henceforth collectively termed bacteria) and a plant's roots have a very intricate exchange going on. the plants roots exude carbon in a useable form for the bacteria (exudates) and the bacteria in turn supply the plant with nutrients/sugars/amino acids/etc. upon their death in the rhizosphere (works slightly differently with fungi). when growing chemically, as there are no bacteria in the rhizosphere (hardly any at least) this exchange does not take place. as a result, when growing chemically, plants are unable to fully control the amount of nutrients they take in - this is governed largely by osmosis. when growing organically, the plants can control how much of which element/molecule/nutrient they want to take in by altering the composition/volume of their exudates. the plant itself controls how much of what kind of food it wants to take in. this exchange does not occur during chemical cultivation. it's like giving someone a certain amount of food and forcing them to eat it versus having them pick out what they want in the store and cook it and eat it themselves in the quantity that they want.
this is why it is said that it is somewhat hard to overdose on organics, as in an ideal organic grow, regardless of what is around it (to a certain extent) the plant takes in what it wants to take.
in a chemical grow, the plants take what you give it.
also, studies have shown that the production of certain sugars/terpenes/compounds in all plants are triggered by interaction with certain species of bacteria/fungi in ways which humans have not yet fully comprehended. this is the reason most people who've tried both say that 'organic tastes better', regardless of whether it's pot or tomatoes.
yield is also naturally higher for this same reason with most chemical grows. rather than the plant taking what it wants to take in, we provide the plants with whatever it needs to maximize production. given a choice (read : grown organically) the plant is not too bothered about 'maximizing' production per se, as its primary goal is purely to reproduce and survive and grows with that 'mentality'.
referring to the previous analogy, we can feed a person with the ideal foods to maximize growth and muscle size, ideal bone density, wbc count, etc. but a person choosing what they want to eat would naturally not pick out these same foods, and would just eat what they like.
i hope this makes sense
best vibes
ElChupa
Blackhawk149
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Well...m epileptic. So i am planning to substitute it with my everyday medication that I have to take in order to avoid seizures.
A friend is growing for me currently, he knows what strains n all. But need to up my grow with proper strains by September.
Blackhawk149
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your harvest looks brilliant.
elchupacabra
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i certainly hope it works for you...and my advice, as it is for medical use, would be to grow organic; keep it as natural as possible. its part of the 'nature does it better than we do' mentality i guess
jondamon
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Thanks for the info which I already fully understand about exudates etc. I also full understand about the casparian strip and the endodermis if you'd like to give a science lesson about that too?
All I'm saying is that with chemical nutes if you closely monitor what's being fed to your plants and don't overdo anything then there is no need to flush. This is from experience not from a book.
If you pile your plants with countless amounts of chemicals containing high levels of P and K for example 0-50-50 for prolonged periods of time this can have a negative effect on the plant and cause bad taste.
I personally use a 6-3-8 the whole way through from start to finish with added Ca and Mg along with some silica and a couple of hits of PK1314 at the right time.
Coco being an inert medium is easy to monitor your feed going IN vs your feed OUT to stop any reverse osmosis in the rootzone.
Granted not everyone monitors this way.
But if you do it stops you from over feeding which stops the reverse osmosis in the rootzone which most people suffer from with chem nutes because they don't understand how they work.
J
Blackhawk149
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so guys, a little over 50 days or a little under 8 weeks, here are the latest pictures.
please see and tell when they would be ready and as for somango when should i start the flush or leach?
SOMANGO
NLXJACK
BOTH
SOMANGO is at 19 inches and NLXJACK is at 26 inches from mud.
please see and tell when they would be ready and as for somango when should i start the flush or leach?
SOMANGO
NLXJACK
BOTH
SOMANGO is at 19 inches and NLXJACK is at 26 inches from mud.
Blackhawk149
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so ill give somango nutes for another week and then flush then wait 2 days flush again wait one day n keep in dark for 2 days n chop?
how much would it impact if i chop nlxjack on 24th april??
how much would it impact if i chop nlxjack on 24th april??
jondamon
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Like already mentioned I don't flush so I'm not gonna give you advice about flushing. That's on you. I generally allow the pot to be light at chop time not heavy with water holding in it.
But I said around 14days for SOMANGO. Could be a little more. It all depends how quickly she ripens.
As for darkness at lights off, IMO its pointless. I've done it and now don't bother. When my lights turn off I wait 12hours then chop when lights would normally come on.
As for chopping NLXJH early it could impact alot. Clear trichomes would mean very little effect.
There are forcing solutions on the market to help speed up ripening but IME they impact on flavour quite alot. I've tried GHE RIPEN its a sulphur based 0-6-5 forcing solution. I got an 11week flowering cheese strain finished in 9weeks using it at recommended levels. But it didn't taste too good.
J
elchupacabra
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pretty much what jondamon said...2 weeks for somango and 3 for the nlxjack...i think you should be fine cutting your nlxjack by 24th, it would be ideal to keep it for another week probably till 31st, but you'll still have a really nice smoke on your hands, more so when you compare it to the off-season dirt that's going around most places atm...
start flushing your somango after a week...basically 2-3 flushes...if you water 3ce a week, that's a week of flushing...if it's too hot and you wind up having to water daily, just cut out all feeds from your watering for the last one week...