5500 watts safe in 3 bedroom house?

ttystikk · Jan 21, 2016

Budley Doright said:
The reason I mentioned the 200 amp service is room for more circuits not the draw in the system. Typically when I go into a house to install HVAC equipment we are hard pressed to find a space for a double pole breaker in a 100 amp. With a 200 amp panel there are more available circuits to draw from. Besides, pretty sure here the code calls for a 200 amp panel on all new residential. Just thought I'd clarify that tty. lol. Like I said 5kw is fuck all here, in the winter, turning on my furnace (we try not too lol) draws 20 kw alone.

Colorado electrical code places 150A panels in new construction. If you want a 200A panel, you need special approval. At any given time, I'm pulling 16kW and I do run a flip schedule; 11kW is bloom and I'm VERY comfortably under 120A;

240V x 120A = 28.8kW, the max safe 80% load for constant current applications like lighting on 150A service.

Don't forget your AC, electric dryer (buy a gas dryer if you can get the hookups, they're much cheaper to operate anyway), electric oven, coffee pot, the server farm in your gaming cave...

Budley Doright · Jan 21, 2016

We actually have 100 and 200 amp panels, never seen a 150 main. And yes most rural always have 200 due to lack of natural gas, propane is just way to fucking expensive at .92 a litre, that's a lot in lbs lol. And no special permit for 200 amp here just regular permit covers it all. So yes rules are very different for every location. I do agree that we are talking a very average circuit load, not a warehouse like stated earlier lol.

ttystikk · Jan 21, 2016

Budley Doright said:
The reason I mentioned the 200 amp service is room for more circuits not the draw in the system. Typically when I go into a house to install HVAC equipment we are hard pressed to find a space for a double pole breaker in a 100 amp. With a 200 amp panel there are more available circuits to draw from. Besides, pretty sure here the code calls for a 200 amp panel on all new residential. Just thought I'd clarify that tty. lol. Like I said 5kw is fuck all here, in the winter, turning on my furnace (we try not too lol) draws 20 kw alone.

Electric heat is, IMVHO, a signed, sealed and engraved invitation to grow in your home. Might as well do SOMETHING useful with all that fuckin' juice before it turns into 'waste heat', lol

And before you buy another AC unit do yourself a favor and look into Chillking brand chillers. Some have hot gas recovery, which is the correct industry term for what I used to call a dual circuit heat pump.

These units will heat your home for a fraction of the price of installed heating elements (what else do you call an electric baseboard?), they'll very effectively move and manage heat in your grow and it will happily provide AC in your home and op all summer. It will pay for itself in less than five years, even without running a grow op!

ttystikk · Jan 21, 2016

Budley Doright said:
We actually have 100 and 200 amp panels, never seen a 150 main. And yes most rural always have 200 due to lack of natural gas, propane is just way to fucking expensive at .92 a litre, that's a lot in lbs lol. And no special permit for 200 amp here just regular permit covers it all. So yes rules are very different for every location. I do agree that we are talking a very average circuit load, not a warehouse like stated earlier lol.

I'm in the city; rural electric is different here too. I know lots of people who have two 200A drops to their ranch.

Budley Doright · Jan 21, 2016

I should have had two. I'm out of space in my 200 and nothing extravagant just regular shit but yup all electric. Man I'm running my room off of a fucking big ass extension cord lol. Fixing that soon though lol.

whitebb2727 · Jan 21, 2016

4Dexter2Morgan0 said:
and your bill will be much more then $300. one 1000k light increases my bill by $150 extra per month.

Depends where you live. I could run a 1000 for $30 bucks a month, not including anything else. Some places have cheap electric. Two story house, 7 people living here and the bill never hit $200 in the worst part of the year.

blowincherrypie · Jan 21, 2016

ryan1918 said:
they don't care how much power your using and they are not going to report you as they would lose money

They don't report but they are one of the biggest snitches in the country.. If you're in an illegal state and they found something in that trash you put on the curb the next place they go is the power co and then they can use that to get a search warrant..

Here's an example where the power co actually called the pigs tho..

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120129/PC1602/301299979

"In most cases, however, police approach power companies for information after receiving a tip or evidence of a marijuana-growing operation."

MrStickyScissors · Jan 21, 2016

I ran 9k out of a 3 bedroom. Just use big copperwire and run sub panels everything on 220

whitebb2727 · Jan 21, 2016

blowincherrypie said:
They don't report but they are one of the biggest snitches in the country.. If you're in an illegal state and they found something in that trash you put on the curb the next place they go is the power co and then they can use that to get a search warrant..

Here's an example where the power co actually called the pigs tho..

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20120129/PC1602/301299979

"In most cases, however, police approach power companies for information after receiving a tip or evidence of a marijuana-growing operation."

The articles says they kept tripping circuits. I would be willing to bet that's why they called police.

Keep your grow with in limits, don't cause electrical problems and pay your bill.

blowincherrypie · Jan 21, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
The articles says they kept tripping circuits. I would be willing to bet that's why they called police.

Keep your grow with in limits, don't cause electrical problems and pay your bill.

"In most cases, however, police approach power companies for information after receiving a tip or evidence of a marijuana-growing operation."

Within limits?? Wait op is in legal state?? Never mind carry on folks

Budley Doright · Jan 21, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
Depends where you live. I could run a 1000 for $30 bucks a month, not including anything else. Some places have cheap electric. Two story house, 7 people living here and the bill never hit $200 in the worst part of the year.

We have so many different charges added on its hard to actually nail the price down. It ain't cheap though lol. My bills are $350-450 a month year round but I figure when I power up it adds $150 a month to the bill but I shut off the heat pump and burn wood so there's no big rise just a consistent on and off schedule starting in September and stopping in May lol.

whitebb2727 · Jan 21, 2016

Budley Doright said:
We have so many different charges added on its hard to actually nail the price down. It ain't cheap though lol. My bills are $350-450 a month year round but I figure when I power up it adds $150 a month to the bill but I shut off the heat pump and burn wood so there's no big rise just a consistent on and off schedule starting in September and stopping in May lol.

That sucks. Yea my bill is actually cheaper. Its around $100 a month then $40-50 in surcharges.

I couldn't imagine living where electric is that high.

Well I can actually. I've lived a couple places with higher bills.

Budley Doright · Jan 22, 2016

I got a bill yesterday and will get the charges off of it and post it just for the "Holy crap" factor lol.

Budley Doright · Jan 22, 2016

Ok so I had to stop crying before I could type this out

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On peak usage 352 kWh $61.67
Mid peak. 284 kWh $36.40
Off peak. 1425 kWh $118
Delivery charge. $176
Regulatory charge hmmm $13
Debt retirement charge. $11
Fed & Prov. Tax. $ 54.

I rounded to the nearest dollar but bill for 30 days total $435.22 and just to clarify that's not my debt I'm paying it's theirs

. Keep in mind that does not include heat. Wow big fucking house with lots of people you say....nope....bungalow at 1600 sq ft no basement lol. Oh oh and property taxes 3800 a year. I'm moving to Equador lol

blowincherrypie · Jan 22, 2016

Budley Doright said:
Ok so I had to stop crying before I could type this out .
On peak usage 352 kWh $61.67
Mid peak. 284 kWh $36.40
Off peak. 1425 kWh $118
Delivery charge. $176
Regulatory charge hmmm $13
Debt retirement charge. $11
Fed & Prov. Tax. $ 54.

I rounded to the nearest dollar but bill for 30 days total $435.22 and just to clarify that's not my debt I'm paying it's theirs . Keep in mind that does not include heat. Wow big fucking house with lots of people you say....nope....bungalow at 1600 sq ft no basement lol. Oh oh and property taxes 3800 a year. I'm moving to Equador lol

Does that delivery fee change? Puts shit in perspective that's for sure..

At least u live in a place where we can count on the power to be there when we flick a switch..

At least I hope u can if they charging u that to "deliver"

whitebb2727 · Jan 22, 2016

Budley Doright said:
Ok so I had to stop crying before I could type this out .
On peak usage 352 kWh $61.67
Mid peak. 284 kWh $36.40
Off peak. 1425 kWh $118
Delivery charge. $176
Regulatory charge hmmm $13
Debt retirement charge. $11
Fed & Prov. Tax. $ 54.

I rounded to the nearest dollar but bill for 30 days total $435.22 and just to clarify that's not my debt I'm paying it's theirs . Keep in mind that does not include heat. Wow big fucking house with lots of people you say....nope....bungalow at 1600 sq ft no basement lol. Oh oh and property taxes 3800 a year. I'm moving to Equador lol

That's highway robbery.

ttystikk · Jan 22, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
That's highway robbery.

Try installing electricity in rural areas. When you get THAT bill, you'll understand.

whitebb2727 · Jan 22, 2016

ttystikk said:
Try installing electricity in rural areas. When you get THAT bill, you'll understand.

I live in a rural area. Used to live way out in the sticks. The bill was cheap there to. No reason that other electric companies can't do the same.

Most electric companies didn't spend the money to build their plants or even infrastructure.

Army corps of engineers has a lot to do with it at tax payer expense.

Government even runs power companies. There is a monopoly on electric for a reason.

ttystikk · Jan 22, 2016

whitebb2727 said:
I live in a rural area. Used to live way out in the sticks. The bill was cheap there to. No reason that other electric companies can't do the same.

Most electric companies didn't spend the money to build their plants or even infrastructure.

Army corps of engineers has a lot to do with it at tax payer expense.

Government even runs power companies. There is a monopoly on electric for a reason.

Agreed and it needs to be addressed. Rural electric was taxpayer subsidized in large part and so rural power should not be higher than city power.

whitebb2727 · Jan 22, 2016

ttystikk said:
Agreed and it needs to be addressed. Rural electric was taxpayer subsidized in large part and so rural power should not be higher than city power.

Rural is cheaper here. The rates have been cheap anywhere I have lived that Tennessee Valley Authority supplies electric.

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