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4tatude

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could be a shadow, but i see something here too.

i just went and checked... there is some powder on a few leaves, i need to be more vigilent. but by never having it before i didnt see it...
ok so how do i get rid of it?

THANKS mw420 and billcollecter99
gota love the experienced eyes!!!!!
its becaus of guys like you ive made it this far

all right... enough ass kissin somebody show this noob the ropes for solving pm lol
 

billcollector99

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i tried everything in the book, imo the most effective is sulfur.

Link

I used a high pressure 2 gallon sprayer, like you use for roundup 2 tbsp per gallon, spray plants, let dry, rinse with clean water, let dry, repeat every week till pm is gone, ok to use early in flower as well.
 

4tatude

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sounds easy enough, ill pick some up asap. already got the sprayer, ill just move em into the side yard and drench their ass. while there drying ill clorox the veg room before i put them back. got a fan ill add in there too.
does it cure it or will it be there throughout the grow? or just under controll...
 

bekindbud

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the small plant front left is the plant i converted to aero from soil to replace the clone that got sucked into the shop vac. smaller but doing well.
the other 5 are branching and in general doing great!



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Love the set up....I might want your blueprints for that one! Good shit. Look I had PM as well, its a bitch if you dont act on it right away. I used the Ed Rosenthal Spray for PM. Worked great but you have to attack it all now! That shit BC99 posted works real good too, just dont put your face in it like I did and then rub your eyes! LOL I remember seeing you had high rH%, how is that going, did you take care of it?
Edit: It will kill it and prevent it as long as you keep your environment under control...
Peace

BKB
 

las fingerez

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well spotted chaps :) sorry bro cant help u out with that one but i think low RH might help but dont quote me. i know some lads that have battled with PM i can ask for the product they have used before.

I WANNA SEE SOME NEW PICS :):):) its looking sweet bro would love to see how they look a week later, stop smoking ur samples and pull ur finger out mate hahahahaha ;) only messing mate :)
 

a mongo frog

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if your flushing and u only see pm on the big fan leaves your ok. pm is some time very hard to see. wait im sorry those r your new batch right? must be taken care of.
you made your first grow look easy, nice job. all of your hard work paid off. great journal. want to see your final product in a pipe or bong or what ever u like to smoke from. that would be the grand fanally.
 

bekindbud

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if your flushing and u only see pm on the big fan leaves your ok. pm is some time very hard to see. wait im sorry those r your new batch right? must be taken care of.
you made your first grow look easy, nice job. all of your hard work paid off. great journal. want to see your final product in a pipe or bong or what ever u like to smoke from. that would be the grand fanally.
PM is a serious matter and must always be taken care of immediately. A plant can be infected with PM for up to a week before showing any signs or tell tales. Doesn't matter where the PM is it should be attacked IMMEDIATELY!!!!

Peace

BKB
 

billcollector99

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The most common reproduction is asexual production of spores, with the time from germination to spore production being as little as 48 hours. The spores move from plant to plant by wind as well as through direct contact by insects, animals and sometimes gardeners! Some species of PM require year-round availability of plant hosts to survive, other species switch to sexual reproduction in the fall, producing small black dots, called cleistothecia, which overwinter and eject spores in the spring.

Infection is favored by high humidity (50 to 90%) during twilight hours, and temperatures between 60° and 80° F. While there’s some ambiguity in the UC IPM literature, most sources state that not only does PM not require moist conditions to germinate and grow but that the spores can be killed or inhibited by water on the plant. Shady conditions (which are most conducive to retaining humidity) and vigorous plant growth favor disease development while high temperatures (above 90°F) have an inhibitive effect.

Symptoms most often appear in the form of circular white spots; the spots enlarge as the white mycelium (threadlike filaments) grows over plant surfaces and produces spores, giving a powdery appearance that covers the leaves (although one species that affects onions, peppers and tomatoes has a yellow appearance with little powdery growth). The infection forms on either side of the leaves, spreading rapidly over the entire surface with the mycelium sending a root like structure (called haustoria) into the leaves, taking nutrient from its host.

Affected leaves will not manufacture as much food as they should, and may turn yellowish or brown and drop from the plant, thereby increasing problems with sunburn on some plants. Other injury may appear as stunting and distortion of leaves and buds, sometimes but less often, affecting fruit. Since nutrients are removed from the plant by the fungus, the result may be a plant with reduced vigor in growth, bloom and fruit. The extent of damage depends on the species of PM and the plant variety affected.

A side note: don’t confuse PM with downey mildew, they’re different diseases, with different symptoms and control mechanisms. While downy mildew can also produce a powdery growth, it grows primarily on the underside of leaves, and when viewed with a hand lens, has a tree like structure instead of the threads of PM. Downey mildew infections are favored by moist humid summers (high humidity with moderate temperatures), making it more of a problem along the coast where it can cause serious problems for plants including roses.

Management and Control
All sources seem to agree on this: the best way to avoid PM problems is to plant varieties that are resistant to the disease. If you have a problem plant, seriously consider removing it and finding something else. Of course, first decide if it’s really a “problem”; just because the plant has PM (for all or parts of the year) doesn’t mean you have to worry about it. If the plant is growing “well enough” for you, and it’s purpose isn’t significantly affected, you may do well enough by leaving it alone.

But if you have your heart set on a susceptible plant, remember your IPM practices: cultural control first! The most basic cultural practices include:

Plant in a sunny location wherever possible
Make sure there’s good air circulation (through plant spacing and pruning)
Promote steady growth with moderate application of nitrogen fertilizer (or use a time release fertilizer)
In a sunny dry location, an occasional spray of water can be used to wash the PM from the plant
Remove and discard infected material, take special care in the fall to reduce the amount material available for over wintering
If you’re planting annuals, consider different plants from year to year since the mildew species from the previous may not affect a different plant
An intriguing note: there’s one kind of lady beetle (Psyllobora spp) that actually eats powdery mildew. Unfortunately, this isn’t the variety you can purchase for use in the garden, but it does live in California.
For example, I have a Variegated Euonymous that has white spots almost the entire year. It’s in a sunny location, well enough established to need almost no water during the summer months, and sends out new growth the entire year. This is the perfect case for letting things be. While I might wash the plant occasionally for appearance’s sake (although I never seem to make time for this), there’s no real “problem”. On the other hand, my Zepherine Drouhin climbing rose, which sits in a partially shaded location along the side of the house, is often affected on new shoots where the leaves curl severely. In this case, other than a spraying regimen, the best idea seems to be to try moving it to a sunnier location where there’s more air circulation. I could consider a spraying regimen, but need to think about the environment, not to mention the time required. Let’s talk more about those options next.

As always, if you consider spraying, know your options. One of the most important things to know about controlling PM is that some sprays act to ward off the disease (preventatives) while others will kill it once it’s established (eradicants). Some sprays will do both, but many serve only one purpose or the other. Spraying an eradicant before you see symptoms, therefore, is typically a waste of time, as is the use of a preventative once you have an infection.

Preventatives: if you know you have a susceptible plant, you can consider regular sprays to avoid infections. Preventatives include:

Sulfur: used for centuries, sulfur is most effective when applied in wettable form (such as Safer Garden Fungicide). Note that sulfur can damage ornamental plants; do not apply above 90°F or within two weeks of an oil spray.
Bicarbonates: available in the form of potassium bicarbonate (Kaligreen) and home-made solutions using baking soda. Be careful to avoid injury to the plants, and note that baking soda can have adverse effects on the soil when over used. Baking soda solutions can use salad oil as a spreader-sticker, or horticultural oil (which adds eradicant capabilities).
The biological fungicide Serenade contains a bacterium which helps prevent infections from occurring.
Mary Louise Flint, University of California at Davis, Director of UC Integrated Pest Management Education & Publications says, “A simple fungicide can be made at home by combining 2-1/2 tablespoons of horticultural oil (Sunspray Ultra-Fine, Saf-T-Side, etc.) in a gallon of water and adding 4 teaspoons baking soda. This solution is sprayed on plants to prevent powdery mildew infections. Sprays of both potassium bicarbonate and baking soda can injure the plant, so use these materials with caution. Also, baking soda sprays can have deleterious effects on soil structure and should be used sparingly.”

Eradicants: Once you have active symptoms, you may need an eradicant to kill the infection to avoid further damage. Since the established PM is a parasite to the host plant, using a preventative to avoiding spreading will not stop damage to the plant. Eradicants include:

Horticultural oils such as JMS Stylet Oil, Saf-T-Side Spray or Sunspray Ultra-Fine Spray Oil.
Plant based oils including neem oil or jojoba oil.
The biological fungicide AQ10 contains a parasitic fungicide that attacks the PM fungus.
Combination: Unfortunately, sprays combining both preventative and eradicant qualities fall mostly into the synthetic fungicide category and are least recommended from an IPM viewpoint. The least toxic combination seems to be Potassium Bicarbonate, which, while primarily preventative, has some eradicant capability.
 

billcollector99

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Need to find us some of these

An intriguing note: there’s one kind of lady beetle (Psyllobora spp) that actually eats powdery mildew. Unfortunately, this isn’t the variety you can purchase for use in the garden, but it does live in California.
 

4tatude

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Love the set up....I might want your blueprints for that one! Good shit. Look I had PM as well, its a bitch if you dont act on it right away. I used the Ed Rosenthal Spray for PM. Worked great but you have to attack it all now! That shit BC99 posted works real good too, just dont put your face in it like I did and then rub your eyes! LOL I remember seeing you had high rH%, how is that going, did you take care of it?
Edit: It will kill it and prevent it as long as you keep your environment under control...
Peace

BKB
no prob bkb if you decide to its an easy build and works great.!
the rh is down to high 30s so safe there in the flower room
i need more ventilation in veg chamber, thats why the pm.

the high ph and the pm is more or less weather related with the rain we had, now theres a high system sitting in and the rh is great...
the pm will be addressed tonight after lights off...
 

4tatude

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more pm info, may help someone else also
LIFE CYCLE
All powdery mildew fungi require living plant tissue to grow. Year-round availability of crop or weed hosts is important for the survival of some powdery mildew fungi. Special resting spores are produced, allowing overwinter survival of the species that causes the disease in cucurbits, lettuce, peas, and certain other crops.
Most powdery mildew fungi grow as thin layers of mycelium (fungal tissue) on the surface of the affected plant part. Spores, which are the primary means of dispersal, make up the bulk of the white, powdery growth visible on the plant’s surface and are produced in chains that can be seen with a hand lens; in contrast, spores of downy mildew grow on branched stalks that look like tiny trees.
Powdery mildew spores are carried by wind to new hosts. Although humidity requirements for germination vary, all powdery mildew species can germinate and infect in the absence of free water. In fact, spores of some powdery mildew fungi are killed and germination is inhibited by water on plant surfaces for extended periods. Moderate temperatures (60° to 80°F) and shady conditions generally are the most favorable for powdery mildew development. Spores and fungal growth are sensitive to extreme heat (above 90°F) and direct sunlight.
MANAGEMENT

The best method of control is prevention. Planting resistant vegetable varieties when available, or avoiding the most susceptible varieties, planting in the full sun, and following good cultural practices will adequately control powdery mildew in many cases (Table 1). However, very susceptible vegetables such as cucurbits (cucumber, melons, squash, and pumpkins) may require fungicide treatment. Several least-toxic fungicides are available but must be applied no later than the first sign of disease.
Resistant Varieties

In some cases, varieties resistant to powdery mildew may be available. If available, plant resistant varieties of cantaloupe, cole crops, cucumber, melons, peas, pumpkins, and squash. If you plant more susceptible varieties, you may need to take control measures.
Cultural Practices

Plant in sunny areas as much as possible, provide good air circulation, and avoid applying excess fertilizer. A good alternative is to use a slow-release fertilizer. Overhead sprinkling may help reduce powdery mildew because spores are washed off the plant. However, overhead sprinklers are not usually recommended as a control method in vegetables because their use may contribute to other pest problems.
Fungicide Application

In some situations, especially in the production of susceptible cucurbits, fungicides may be needed. Fungicides function as protectants, eradicants, or both. A protectant fungicide prevents new infections from occurring whereas an eradicant can kill an existing infection. Apply protectant fungicides to highly susceptible plants before the disease appears. Use eradicants at the earliest signs of the disease. Once mildew growth is extensive, control with any fungicide becomes more difficult. The products listed here are for home garden use. Commercial growers should consult the UC Pest Management Guidelines.
Fungicides. Several least-toxic fungicides are available, including horticultural oils, neem oil, jojoba oil, sulfur, and the biological fungicide Serenade. With the exception of the oils, these materials are primarily preventive. Oils work best as eradicants but also have some protectant activity.
Oils. To eradicate mild to moderate powdery mildew infections, use a horticultural oil such as Saf-T-Side Spray Oil, Sunspray Ultra-Fine Spray Oil, or one of the plant-based oils such as neem oil or jojoba oil (e.g., E-rase). Be careful, however, to never apply an oil spray within 2 weeks of a sulfur spray or plants may be injured. Also, oils should never be applied when temperatures are above 90°F or to drought-stressed plants. Some plants may be more sensitive than others, however, and the interval required between sulfur and oil sprays may be even longer; always consult the fungicide label for any special precautions.
Sulfur. Sulfur products have been used to manage powdery mildew for centuries but are only effective when applied before disease symptoms appear. The best sulfur products to use for powdery mildew control in gardens are wettable sulfurs that are specially formulated with surfactants similar to those in dishwashing detergent (e.g., Safer Garden Fungicide) However, sulfur can be damaging to some squash and melon varieties. To avoid injuring any plant, do not apply sulfur when air temperature is near or over 90°F and do not apply it within 2 weeks of an oil spray. Other sulfur products, such as sulfur dust, are much more difficult to use, irritating to skin and eyes, and limited in terms of the plants they can safely be used on. Copper is also available to control powdery mildew but is not very effective.
Biological Fungicides. Biological fungicides (such as Serenade) are commercially available beneficial microorganisms formulated into a product that, when sprayed on the plant, destroys fungal pathogens. The active ingredient in Serenade is a bacterium, Bacillus subtilis, that helps prevent the powdery mildew from infecting the plant. While this product functions to kill the powdery mildew organism and is nontoxic to people, pets, and beneficial insects, it has not proven to be as effective as the oils or sulfur in controlling this disease.
How to Use. Apply protectant fungicides, such as wettable sulfur, to susceptible plants before or in the earliest stages of disease development. The protectant fungicides are only effective on contact, so applications must provide thorough coverage of all susceptible plant parts. As plants grow and produce new tissue, additional applications may be necessary at 7- to 10-day intervals as long as conditions are conducive to disease growth.
If mild to moderate powdery mildew symptoms are present, the horticultural oils and plant-based oils such as neem oil and jojoba oil can be used to reduce or eliminate the infection.
 

dirk d

Active Member
hey 4tatude looking great! your becoming much more experience. sorry havnt been on for awhile but was reading your journal and noticed the pm about 12 days before someone told you about it. been battling pm on my last rack for about 3 weeks. was exhausting. pm is a serious issue and will wipe out your crop. what i have been doing is starting a regimine of preventative care. when i am putting my girls in flower for the first time i have been giving them a dose of green cure as a first measure. then after 14 days i hit them with serenade, again preventative measure.

the cure is to dial in your environment. i added 2 more fans to increase air movement. the reason i got it was that my environment was all over the place and humidity was upwards of 60-70%. live and learn. keep your humidity under 50% religiously. once that pm gets established its a bitzch to get rid of. practically cut every leaf off my last rack and harvested 3 days early because i had too.

also dont smoke any buds that have mold on them. it is a serious health risk. when you get to the trimming and drying any buds you find with pm you can put in a separte container and make butane honey oil out of them. the butane kills the mold. as for now, if you havnt already, remove any leaf with pm on it right away.
 

4tatude

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so just before lights out last night i drenched the plants in this...
this morning and now this evening the plants seem to be doing wonderfull and no reaction to the fungicide
anyone have experience with this product?

looked like a good multipurpose spray



Garden Safe® Brand Fungicide3® Concentrate

  • For organic gardening
  • Three garden products in one
  • Controls black spot, powdery mildew, rust, spider mites, aphids, whiteflies and other listed pests
  • Can be used up to day of harvest
  • Organic Materials Review Institute listed
 

4tatude

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ok so i was flushing in the flower chamber getting ready to harvest, and at the same time battling a issue with pm in the veg chamber
some how i missed checking the res for a couple days and it was dry. last night the wild child plant all but dead and the other 5 drooping. had been 36 hrs since i hd checked on them as i worked late so dont know how long they were without water. replinished the res and pump is fine and the other 5 responded well, and bounced back. the wild child did not servive the ordeal
tonight after work i started cutting the wild child plant and found the lower part of canopy with pm, also just a little on plant behind it.
what do i do?? hash the whole batch, or spray the 5 left and harvest in 2 more days before root rot sets in?im going to cut a few good buds that have no sigh of pm so ill have some smoke or???? is that a bad idea
fuck me i was right there!!!!!
 

4tatude

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ok so i cut a couple buds from front and soaked the remaining plants in the safe garden fungicide, turned the 600 off and put a incandescent light in there.
the fungicide seems to have stopped the pm on vbeg plants with one application, and it says safe to use up to day of harvest. i figure i have 2 days till root rot starts in and that should be enough.
anyone have an opinion???
 

Danielsgb

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I think you'll be OK. I'd look to dry them faster than normal. Normally slower is better, but if it were mine I'd go for faster.
Being two days from the 'expected' date, I'd also just go now.
Not for these being so close, but look into Milk & Water for PM. 1 part to 9 parts, misted once a week.
Daniels
 

4tatude

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I think you'll be OK. I'd look to dry them faster than normal. Normally slower is better, but if it were mine I'd go for faster.
Being two days from the 'expected' date, I'd also just go now.
Not for these being so close, but look into Milk & Water for PM. 1 part to 9 parts, misted once a week.
Daniels
thanks daniel, thats exactly what im doing. the other plants looked sad this evening so i chopped and hung with fans full blast. will dry like that for a few days then clean n jar up.
i had read on another gardening forum about milk but i think its better as a preventative than in my case where imediate was required.
lumi had pm'd me re your sug earlier
thanks!!!!
 

dirk d

Active Member
4tatude i would discard any plants in veg and cloning that have the pm issues. the pm lives inside the plants and you will spend weeks upon weeks battling. better to save your energy and if possible upgrade your veg and flower rooms to make it inhospitable to pm. thats your only choice if you dont want to deal with pm. but as a new grower its better to go through this now while you're still learning.
 

4tatude

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4tatude i would discard any plants in veg and cloning that have the pm issues. the pm lives inside the plants and you will spend weeks upon weeks battling. better to save your energy and if possible upgrade your veg and flower rooms to make it inhospitable to pm. thats your only choice if you dont want to deal with pm. but as a new grower its better to go through this now while you're still learning.
dirk my thoughts exactly... glad it was first run so i get the experience and not crash and burn later.
im going to finish out the plants in veg right now as they seem to now have no issues and i think i can controll with prevention.
i had read that it lives in the plant so no more clones or plants till this run is over.
i plan on cleaming up and creating a better controlled environment. then new genetics from a trusted source that has healthy plants.
i have learned so much with all of this im not the least bit dissapointed in what has happened, its made me a much better grower by experiencing, and being able to see what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future.
thanks for the advice, noted and taken to heart.
 
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