80watt seedling + veg light @A$119.99 or 100w full spectrum @$129.99

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GanjaDigz

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Look i know the pros & cons of each light, my only thing is, is that with the full spectrum light,i CAN if needed both seedling + veg + flower all from the 1 light.
I have a nursery like lil room downstairs that i can veg in upto 4ft if needed & then put them upstairs in a tent with a lot bigger light to flower/finish in & i was looking at putting just a small veg light down there like the Spider Farmer Glow80w which only has a max par reading of 313 which would be perfect enough JUST for veg although if i found myself in a predicament where i needed a bigger yield from BOTH spaces or my big light all of a sudden shit itself then i can still finsish the run albeit a lot less with the 100w full spectrum then i could do just that but with the 80w i don’t have that option ‍♂
What do you guys recommend?‍♂
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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Diy was very popular a some years ago and you could argue that the way modern led lights are built and designed comes from the work of many of the older posters here on this forum. Im talking about Growmau5, SuprasSpl, Rahz and many more. Back then leds were either kinda awfull blurple lights or super expensive. So peeps started building their own for price reduction and performance. At that time there was infinitely more creativity and testing new things out. Then some people started bring in stuff from china, cheap and cheerful COBs and the like. It lead to china starting to build lights that people actually wanted to buy and prices dropped thru the floor. Nowadays theres very little point in diy for cost savings, its only a few diehards like me and Jonesy who do it. It still serves a purpose if you want something that works specifically for your space and requirements. Since the onus nowadays is on price point and efficiency most lights look very samey and tend to take the shortest route towards highest efficiency. But its also meant that there is very little on the market if you want to go with another way or spectrum than the current favorite- High efficiency spectrum: 4000-5000k + some 660 reds. Personally i dont think that this spectrum grows great weed. You can still do allright, you can get nice big super dense buds but to me they are missing in the flavor department. Also the density and yield, imo opinion it doesnt come from a better developed flower response, it comes from excessive green content. Green is the highest efficiency phosphor you can use in a white diode. But it tends to grow more fibery tissue, like growing more stick and branch than flowers.

But i do think Jonsey is referring to is the whole experience of diy. Nothing beats designing and executing your own light and see it beat out current light offerings in yield and quality, and also fitting perfectly your needs. That first time you turn on your diy light and go "f-in hell thats bright" as you squint and your whole field of vision fills up with those tiny little dots you get after staring at the sun. If you then also beat your current yield, your current g/w and increase quality over any other light you tried... I dont know if its ego or just the feeling of accomplishment but it opens up a rabbit hole very deep and hard to get out of.
Jonsey may have more to add all i can say is that i concur: once you diy you newer stop try to improve your light and grow. If you want a really balls to the floor great flower led that can compete in genetic expression with the sun you need to build it your self. For a seedling or veg light try something like 4000k whites.
 
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J2M3S

J2M3S

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DIY = Do It Yourself.

He was suggesting that you build a light yourself with parts available on the internet.
 
Roy O'Bannon

Roy O'Bannon

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Migro is a channel that has lots of info on lights. Search bruce Bugbee as well, tons of info.

Most lights will work for veg. Common fluorescents shop lights will grow them big.
Then get them used to the big light in your flower tent.
If I were buying a light now I would go for one of the dimmable bar style led's.
Output wattage makes a difference on yield. I am using a 200watt spiderfarmer in a 2x4 tent.
I would go bigger than that knowing what I know now. I would love to use the fee sun, but it's turned up too high were I live:)
 
medidedicated

medidedicated

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I heard someone say once to get them while theyre that long lasting before they figure out how to make them crap out sooner and sooner.

Heck thats like 6-12 yrs of use. Hope my math is right. Light bulbs used to run forever almost.
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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Rocket Soul said:
Diy was very popular a some years ago and you could argue that the way modern led lights are built and designed comes from the work of many of the older posters here on this forum. Im talking about Growmau5, SuprasSpl, Rahz and many more. Back then leds were either kinda awfull blurple lights or super expensive. So peeps started building their own for price reduction and performance. At that time there was infinitely more creativity and testing new things out. Then some people started bring in stuff from china, cheap and cheerful COBs and the like. It lead to china starting to build lights that people actually wanted to buy and prices dropped thru the floor. Nowadays theres very little point in diy for cost savings, its only a few diehards like me and Jonesy who do it. It still serves a purpose if you want something that works specifically for your space and requirements. Since the onus nowadays is on price point and efficiency most lights look very samey and tend to take the shortest route towards highest efficiency. But its also meant that there is very little on the market if you want to go with another way or spectrum than the current favorite- High efficiency spectrum: 4000-5000k + some 660 reds. Personally i dont think that this spectrum grows great weed. You can still do allright, you can get nice big super dense buds but to me they are missing in the flavor department. Also the density and yield, imo opinion it doesnt come from a better developed flower response, it comes from excessive green content. Green is the highest efficiency phosphor you can use in a white diode. But it tends to grow more fibery tissue, like growing more stick and branch than flowers.

But i do think Jonsey is referring to is the whole experience of diy. Nothing beats designing and executing your own light and see it beat out current light offerings in yield and quality, and also fitting perfectly your needs. That first time you turn on your diy light and go "f-in hell thats bright" as you squint and your whole field of vision fills up with those tiny little dots you get after staring at the sun. If you then also beat your current yield, your current g/w and increase quality over any other light you tried... I dont know if its ego or just the feeling of accomplishment but it opens up a rabbit hole very deep and hard to get out of.
Jonsey may have more to add all i can say is that i concur: once you diy you newer stop try to improve your light and grow. If you want a really balls to the floor great flower led that can compete in genetic expression with the sun you need to build it your self. For a seedling or veg light try something like 4000k whites.
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Exactly my point!
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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medidedicated said:
I heard someone say once to get them while theyre that long lasting before they figure out how to make them crap out sooner and sooner.

Heck thats like 6-12 yrs of use. Hope my math is right. Light bulbs used to run forever almost.
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I actually think they're going in the other direction, their are some newer diodes coming out with unlimited service life, when ran under certain conditions. The problem imo is the hype surrounding Samsung led products.
 
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Jonesfamily7715

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Literally the only thing Samsung led has going for them is their mid power lineup. One trick pony lol, that's why they always have osram or cree reds with them. Nichia dominates when it comes to blue. Have you ever seen anyone use a Samsung cob? Highly doubtful as they are junk. Even with the lm301 anything, the top bins are already spoke for, if it ain't hlg or fohse or some other top end brand, they do not have access. A lot of word play and trickery going into this market nowadays where hype is seemingly coming out on top.
 
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Delps8

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GanjaDigz said:
Look i know the pros & cons of each light, my only thing is, is that with the full spectrum light,i CAN if needed both seedling + veg + flower all from the 1 light.
I have a nursery like lil room downstairs that i can veg in upto 4ft if needed & then put them upstairs in a tent with a lot bigger light to flower/finish in & i was looking at putting just a small veg light down there like the Spider Farmer Glow80w which only has a max par reading of 313 which would be perfect enough JUST for veg although if i found myself in a predicament where i needed a bigger yield from BOTH spaces or my big light all of a sudden shit itself then i can still finsish the run albeit a lot less with the 100w full spectrum then i could do just that but with the 80w i don’t have that option ‍♂
What do you guys recommend?‍♂
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If you want to spend $100±, get a Vipar XS-1500 Pro.

313µmol. That's good for seedlings or early veg. You can go even low - cannabis will hang on until 64µmol± - but why so little light?
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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Jonesfamily7715 said:
Literally the only thing Samsung led has going for them is their mid power lineup. One trick pony lol, that's why they always have osram or cree reds with them. Nichia dominates when it comes to blue. Have you ever seen anyone use a Samsung cob? Highly doubtful as they are junk. Even with the lm301 anything, the top bins are already spoke for, if it ain't hlg or fohse or some other top end brand, they do not have access. A lot of word play and trickery going into this market nowadays where hype is seemingly coming out on top.
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I have it from someone who got a gonio and measures efficiency professionally: samsung diodes tend to always underperform their spec and data sheet. Not by super much, but if a bin is +-7 percent they are always in the lower range.
Nichia tend to over perform, and also sells their diodes in quarter bins, so you can get the top diodes within the bin.
Ive seen creecobs measured by chilled: also underperformed their spec a bunch, or somebody did their numbers bad ten years ago and we expected too much.

If you keep your highest diode temps less than 50C and they dont suffer too much from environment the diodes can pretty much last for ever. But in most growlights they deteriorate faster than those 50000 hours. Migro has a vid where he tested a few lights for a year or two: output loss was larger than quoted by manufacturer.
 
Rocket Soul

Rocket Soul

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medidedicated said:
I heard someone say once to get them while theyre that long lasting before they figure out how to make them crap out sooner and sooner.

Heck thats like 6-12 yrs of use. Hope my math is right. Light bulbs used to run forever almost.
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The power supply tends to crap out before. Ive hung 10000s of diodes by now, only diode ive seen die in our own place is china diodes (from 2017 so about 7 y o by now) lm561C, without heatsink. Everything else still lights up.
 
cat shit

cat shit

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GanjaDigz said:
Look i know the pros & cons of each light, my only thing is, is that with the full spectrum light,i CAN if needed both seedling + veg + flower all from the 1 light.
I have a nursery like lil room downstairs that i can veg in upto 4ft if needed & then put them upstairs in a tent with a lot bigger light to flower/finish in & i was looking at putting just a small veg light down there like the Spider Farmer Glow80w which only has a max par reading of 313 which would be perfect enough JUST for veg although if i found myself in a predicament where i needed a bigger yield from BOTH spaces or my big light all of a sudden shit itself then i can still finsish the run albeit a lot less with the 100w full spectrum then i could do just that but with the 80w i don’t have that option ‍♂
What do you guys recommend?‍♂
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GanjaDigz said:
Look i know the pros & cons of each light, my only thing is, is that with the full spectrum light,i CAN if needed both seedling + veg + flower all from the 1 light.
I have a nursery like lil room downstairs that i can veg in upto 4ft if needed & then put them upstairs in a tent with a lot bigger light to flower/finish in & i was looking at putting just a small veg light down there like the Spider Farmer Glow80w which only has a max par reading of 313 which would be perfect enough JUST for veg although if i found myself in a predicament where i needed a bigger yield from BOTH spaces or my big light all of a sudden shit itself then i can still finsish the run albeit a lot less with the 100w full spectrum then i could do just that but with the 80w i don’t have that option ‍♂
What do you guys recommend?‍♂
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I recommend viparspectra xs series if your on a budget iv got a xs2000 and a 1500 in a 3/3 which I use for veg, and flower, ive done photos and autos with them and have had nice solid yeilds with them. I start my grows with a t5 ho fixture till they have a few sets of leaves then they go under the full spectrum lights.
 

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