A 21-year-old who's refusing to pay back her student loans compares her cause to Rosa Parks' fight

shishkaboy said:

That is a really good question, I dont know.
But we established a very long time ago that its not good to have a central bank, that determines its own policy.

It was a basic ethics class and he did a great job, Imo.

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Thank you for answering honestly.

I've found most judges to be bereft of ethics. It is a requirement of the job (usually) to favor the law even when it is clearly an unethical law. Of course they don't apply the same standard to everybody either.


I'd say you are "enslaved" or "owned" to the same level as you are taxed. For instance, if the fruit of ALL of your labor is controlled by another person, you are clearly a slave to them. Logic insists that is so. Then it follows that if a percentage less than all of your labor is taxed...that would be the level of their ownership over you.

Padawanbater2 said:

You'd be wrong on both accounts

Henry Ford contributed more to the national economy. Does that mean he should be compensated 1,500x's the amount of his average worker? Should he be bailed out by the government if his company fails, regardless of his contributions to the national economy?

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So you are telling me you support yourself, bought a house yet have not acquired any debt, sorry if I call nut uh on ya.

All deadbeats bailed out should sit at the back of the bus.

But, you can't compare a bank to a deadbeat.

ginwilly said:

So you are telling me you support yourself, bought a house yet have not acquired any debt, sorry if I call nut uh on ya.

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He lives at his parents house.

Rob Roy said:

Thank you for answering honestly.

I've found most judges to be bereft of ethics. It is a requirement of the job (usually) to favor the law even when it is a clearly an unethical law. Of course they don't apply the same standard to everybody either.


I'd say you are "enslaved" or "owned" to the same level as you are taxed. For instance, if the fruit of ALL of your labor is controlled by another person, you are clearly a slave to them. Logic insists that is so. Then it follows that if a percentage less than all of your labor is taxed...that would be the level of their ownership over you.

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You know he basically supported this same idea. But the reasoning is very logical. Until the law changes, the unjust law is still a law and should be followed.
Dont quote me on this but we talked about a story of I think Socrates getting arrested for misleading the youth. While in jail, the youth formed a rescue squad and went to break Socrates out. He decided to stay in jail, because if he left, he would then be guilty of misleading the youth. Of course, I had to bring up
Ghani and Martin Luther Kings' examples of "civil disobedience", but we had to move on. Lol.

I am not against taxes, I think that there should be some sort of community "kitty", that everyone donates to based on their income and wealth.
But I must admit that something must be terribly wrong if 99% of a country is in debt.

TBoneJack said:

http://www.businessinsider.com/mallory-heiney-writes-in-the-washington-post-she-isnt-paying-back-her-student-debt-2015-3

This dumb bitch has the audacity to compare her fight against a student loan (which she signed, took the money, and spent it) to what Rosa Parks did.

The bitch signed the loan, spent the money, and now wants us taxpayers to pay back her loan for her.

2 words to consider before taking out a loan and then spending the money: BUYER BEWARE.

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why would an undergrad be paying interest on loans? did i miss something?

shishkaboy said:

You know he basically supported this same idea. But the reasoning is very logical. Until the law changes, the unjust law is still a law and should be followed.
Dont quote me on this but we talked about a story of I think Socrates getting arrested for misleading the youth. While in jail, the youth formed a rescue squad and went to break Socrates out. He decided to stay in jail, because if he left, he would then be guilty of misleading the youth. Of course, I had to bring up
Ghani and Martin Luther Kings' examples of "civil disobedience", but we had to move on. Lol.

I am not against taxes, I think that there should be some sort of community "kitty", that everyone donates to based on their income and wealth.
But I must admit that something must be terribly wrong if 99% of a country is in debt.

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I disagree. Your judge was rationalizing his behavior when he harmed otherwise peaceful people.

Statutory laws are man made things that have no automatic basis in reason. Some follow natural law and prohibit things that should be prohibited, such as fraud, murder and theft etc. some do not. Laws that harm a peaceful person or deprive a peaceful person of self determination should be ignored.

It was unlawful to help a runaway slave or hide a jew in your attic, I'd have broken those laws every opportunity I had. Socrates was not infallible.

Obedience to something legal, yet wrong, is still obedience to something wrong.

shishkaboy said:

I dont think you understand the con. The school takes most of the money and the rest is spent in on college expenses. Maybe she nets a small amount but the school is responsible. I remember a story about one of those schools recruiting the homeless, by getting them to take out massive student loans with the promise of a weekly stipend.

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in all honesty student loan system needs an overhaul..you should see what it's like to pry the money out of financial aid people.

they do shit to fuck you up then look at you like a stupid cow chewing it's cud.

.edu employees are some of the worst, slowest moving employees in the world.

they get paid if the job is done or not.

schuylaar said:

in all honesty student loan system needs an overhaul..you should see what it's like to pry the money out of financial aid people.

they do shit to fuck you up then look at you like a stupid cow chewing it's cud.

.edu employees are some of the worst, slowest moving employees in the world.

they get paid if the job is done or not.

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Good point.

That's what happens when force (coercive government) replaces peaceful choice (free market).

Absent the proper feedback signals that doing a good job or doing a bad job sends (like in a free market) the bureaucrat is operating blindly and has no motivation to provide real customer satisfaction.

A free market aligns the interest of the service provider and the customer, a bureaucracy does not.

schuylaar said:

in all honesty student loan system needs an overhaul..you should see what it's like to pry the money out of financial aid people.

they do shit to fuck you up then look at you like a stupid cow chewing it's cud.

.edu employees are some of the worst, slowest moving employees in the world.

they get paid if the job is done or not.

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I am experiencing it right now. Somehow I got a hold on my account that from last years medical insurance, that is not letting me be a full timer right now, so no state help. Which means I have to wait til next year. I would have finished this year tho.

Doer said:

All deadbeats bailed out should sit at the back of the bus.

But, you can't compare a bank to a deadbeat.

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They are worse than deadbeats as they operate under color of law when they do their theft.

Rob Roy said:

Good point.

That's what happens when force (coercive government) replaces peaceful choice (free market).

Absent the proper feedback signals that doing a good job or doing a bad job sends (like in a free market) the bureaucrat is operating blindly and has no motivation to provide real customer satisfaction.

A free market aligns the interest of the service provider and the customer, a bureaucracy does not.

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Why can't we, as the governed, demand the same feedback systems, which are in place in Govt., be adhered to? Or maybe the real question is....why haven't we? Try making a complaint to any Govt. agency..you're lucky if you can even get in contact with them 90% of the time. I've been told "write your rep", you know what happens..you get a form letter sent back by some intern. It's virtually impossible to get any recourse when dealing with govt as an individual. Until we as a collective stop turning our eyes to the crap that goes on we're all gonna get screwed.

shishkaboy said:

I am experiencing it right now. Somehow I got a hold on my account that from last years medical insurance, that is not letting me be a full timer right now, so no state help. Which means I have to wait til next year. I would have finished this year tho.

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if you would have satisfied that amount, the hold would have come off..with proof, of course..god forbid they lift a finger.

why didn't you just pay it?

they are gonna mess with lots of students lives for next year, too.

i received an email from ACA, they've re-opened health from now until 4/30 in order for students who are not covered under their parents, they need to get coverage or pay $325 taken out of your income tax..and if you have no income tax? we'll then they'll take it out of your loan..which is weird because all the loans state you are not allowed to use loan money for anything else other than school related.

i'm sensing class action

WeedFreak78 said:

Why can't we, as the governed, demand the same feedback systems, which are in place in Govt., be adhered to? Or maybe the real question is....why haven't we? Try making a complaint to any Govt. agency..you're lucky if you can even get in contact with them 90% of the time. I've been told "write your rep", you know what happens..you get a form letter sent back by some intern. It's virtually impossible to get any recourse when dealing with govt as an individual. Until we as a collective stop turning our eyes to the crap that goes on we're all gonna get screwed.

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The reason why is government by its nature isn't reason, it's force. You can't have a system that relies for its very existence on force also be reasonable, its impossible.

One of the biggest reasons most people haven't done anything is the cards are stacked and people are molded to be ignorant by design. Government schools teach obedience, rather than how to think. That is their purpose. People erroneously believe they need a coercive government to protect them from people that might use coercion against them. Which is kind of ironic and circular.

Asking government to spank itself won't help either.
It's like when a cop shoots a person. What do they do? They have an internal investigation and miraculously find they have done no wrong.

You might be interested in learning about Voluntary human interactions. Google voluntarism or voluntaryism, if you are. Carl Watner has written a few things on that topic you might find interesting.

schuylaar said:

if you would have satisfied that amount, the hold would have come off..with proof, of course..god forbid they lift a finger.

why didn't you just pay it?

they are gonna mess with lots of students lives for next year, too.

i received an email from ACA, they've re-opened health from now until 4/30 in order for students who are not covered under their parents, they need to get coverage or pay $325 taken out of your income tax..and if you have no income tax? we'll then they'll take it out of your loan..which is weird because all the loans state you are not allowed to use loan money for anything else other than school related.

i'm sensing class action

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By the time I had the money, I couldnt find anymore classes to fill the schedule. But, I have a gripe with my advisor because it is a known fact that I was going to surpass the amount with the next aid drop. He even told me this, but didnt answer, so why was the hold not allowing me to add classes?
I am not saying I am not partly at fault, I could have just registered for the whole term from the start. But I had a lot of other things that needed balancing out, so I chose to wait to register until after I knew I would have the transportation money. My question is, if I am already scheduled to get a drop, why would a hold (that can only be removed by one person) stop me?

Rob Roy said:

How does giving money that doesn't belong to you to an entity that has proven, despite the already existing cronyism, that it sucks at being a well managed business send a good message ?

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please point out when see4 said that the bailouts "sent a good message" or sit n the corner like the stooge dunce you are.

Doer said:

He lives at his parents house.

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like kynes?

UncleBuck said:

please point out when see4 said that the bailouts "sent a good message" or sit n the corner like the stooge dunce you are.

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What if my room is round, what then?

schuylaar said:

in all honesty student loan system needs an overhaul..you should see what it's like to pry the money out of financial aid people.

they do shit to fuck you up then look at you like a stupid cow chewing it's cud.

.edu employees are some of the worst, slowest moving employees in the world.

they get paid if the job is done or not.

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Anybody else see the humor in this?
She really needed to end with a big:
"Thank you Obama"

UncleBuck said:

please point out when see4 said that the bailouts "sent a good message" or sit n the corner like the stooge dunce you are.

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It wasn't stated, it was implied. Positive reinforcement for bad actions. Should have just let it fall apart. Should have let car makers fall on their face to. We would be better for it.