I don't think bloom additives are needed. I've always used just a base and cal mag if needed with any nutrient line I've ran.Hey Alpha, cheers for chiming in on the other thread today, you probably just saved him a heap of cash as opposed to my suggestion!
Can I please ask how you came to the conclusion about bloom additives? If they really do nothing at all, I'd be keen to stop using mine as well. Is it the same for all? I run a brand of coco nutes that work well, if I dont need additives I'd be stoked
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Crazy how some og will react differently. My og are nitrogen hogs. I add about .5 ec of nitrogen ferts. Anything less they start to yellow.Thanks bro
For the ghostrider, being an OG and all, she didn't like running 50/50 for 4 weeks, they got N tox fairly early so I cut out all grow at week 4 and they are still green lol. For the new batch Im running 80% bloom 20% grow from the start of flip and will switch to 100% bloom at week 4. I think it should work out much better.
I guess it's really just strain dependant, but never use straight maxibloom in flower for any strain, I don't think many strains would like it, 50/50 for the first two weeks seems to work well with most strains, so I'd start there and tailor it to certain strains that get tox or deficiencies
I think that's why I like growing so much. Each plant is like its own puzzle and you have to figure out how to bring out the best in them. Fun stuff!!
AlphaPhase
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no problem at all bro! I feel bloom boosters just mess up the nutritional profile if not used properly (and it's hard to use properly especially if you're using a additive from a different nutrient line) and cause more problems than helping. There really isn't much of a difference if they're used right either so it's just not worth it, plants just need a complete base nute and they'll grow perfectly, the only bloom nute I'd ever recommend is gh Kool bloom powder and that stuff can fry a plant so fast and screw up a crop, but it can add a bit of weight I guess, but even I only use it once in a blue moon, and results aren't much differentHey Alpha, cheers for chiming in on the other thread today, you probably just saved him a heap of cash as opposed to my suggestion!
Can I please ask how you came to the conclusion about bloom additives? If they really do nothing at all, I'd be keen to stop using mine as well. Is it the same for all? I run a brand of coco nutes that work well, if I dont need additives I'd be stoked
AlphaPhase
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right?! It's like they all have their own eating habits like people lol, my Larry og didn't like too much nitrogen in flower but in veg she was a n whore, where as a regular og and headband type cuts love n all the way through I noticed, I love figuring it out
eastcoastmo
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Cheers man, can totally see the logic there. I guess I've always used them so have never seen the comparison. Now I'm using organic, I'll have to get better at reading my girls rather than just hitting em with high P or K.
You are right mate, each plant is like a puzzle. I don't usually grow more than one or two plants at a time, this time I have 10 different strains and this heat has caused so much salt buildup from the high ec!
AlphaPhase
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for real man, with the massive leaves they have to support they sure suck up the nitrogen I think, I don't know if that really has anything to do with it but I do notice big leaf strains love it and the smaller thinner leaf strains usually use less, but next thing I know that'll probably change lol
Vnsmkr
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Organic Bloom recipe is pumpkin, banana and squash. Cut cubed, add equal parts brown sugar. Mash as best you can with a mortar (be sure to not use your hands. So 2 lbs of fruit you use 2 lbs of brown sugar. Cover loosely and let it ferment a week or a week and a half. Strain and jar again covering loosely to finish the fermenting process. There is your bloom juice, add a teaspoon per gallon.
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AlphaPhase
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I'm warmer temps a lower ec is needed due to transpiration and in cooler temps a higher ec is needed
eastcoastmo
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Oooh that sounds good mate, will give that a whirl! Could you also use molasses or is it juat cheaper to use sugar? Thanks mateOrganic Bloom recipe is pumpkin, banana and squash. Cut cubed, add equal parts brown sugar. Mash as best you can with a mortar (be sure to not use your hands. So 2 lbs of fruit you use 2 lbs of brown sugar. Cover loosely and let it ferment a week or a week and a half. Strain and jar again covering loosely to finish the fermenting process. There is your bloom juice, add a teaspoon per gallon.
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Sounds pretty accurate bro, I really should've picked that up weeks ago. My girls look bloody horrible this run, pretty ashamed of them heyI'm warmer temps a lower ec is needed due to transpiration and in cooler temps a higher ec is needed
Vnsmkr
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I asked the same question to the owner of this recipe and he said brown sugar works best; he has tried molasses. I mentioned mangoes too and he said try to stay away from "citrussy" fruits. I followed as is and it works!Oooh that sounds good mate, will give that a whirl! Could you also use molasses or is it juat cheaper to use sugar? Thanks mate
Sounds pretty accurate bro, I really should've picked that up weeks ago. My girls look bloody horrible this run, pretty ashamed of them hey
eastcoastmo
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Awesome info, thanks mate!!
AlphaPhase
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organic nutrients are a different ball game and using organically derived nutrients for a flower booster is totally acceptable, the nutes don't directly get released all at once like with synthetic nutes and is much easier on the plant
Vnsmkr
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Absolutely agreed. I started with bottles and progressed this direction. The only thing I use bottled is fish hydroslate, but even haven't been using it in a few rounds. I use water from the hose, fresh aloe, fresh coconut water, organic unsulphured blackstrap molasses, and plenty of compost and thats usually itorganic nutrients are a different ball game and using organically derived nutrients for a flower booster is totally acceptable, the nutes don't directly get released all at once like with synthetic nutes and is much easier on the plant
eastcoastmo
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Oh yeah man, I have no issues using an organic flower booster, we feed the microbes rather than the rootsorganic nutrients are a different ball game and using organically derived nutrients for a flower booster is totally acceptable, the nutes don't directly get released all at once like with synthetic nutes and is much easier on the plant
I'm enjoying the organic a lot more so far! Hmmm very interesting Mo, will have to start putting some citrus in my pile. I've been pureeing all my vege scraps for my worm bin and damn they eat through it quickly. The castings are so rich though. Love it!
Pretty similar to me too. I use tap water (with a few drops of Seachem Prime to neutralise any chloramine), some gogo juice (kelp, fish, bacteria), worm castings, compost and a few sprinkles of guano for my tea. My garden has never looked so damn thick, I have habanero chillis almost the size of tennis balls in width
AlphaPhase
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holy shit mo! that's crazy! welcome to spring, it was a nice 73 here today
Right on! I can't wait to do some outdoor, back when i did organics there wasn't much info on it as there is now and it feels like a whole new world the things i've been learning the past couple years!
AlphaPhase
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@Aeroknow holy shit man you weren't joking about the ghostrider being a heavy strain, I'm almost certain I just broke my personal best record!! Thinking 36+ zips the damn plants have zero larf all the way down the plant, i don't even know how something I flowered so small could yield that big it's crazy, the sour power chem even yielded a bit more it sucks I accidently killed the clones, this plant came out so fire my phone legit died out of the blue last night so i'll let ya know when sprint gets me a replacement back, hoping a couple days
the damn plants have zero larf all the way down the plant, i don't even know how something I flowered so small could yield that big it's crazy, the sour power chem even yielded a bit more it sucks I accidently killed the clones, this plant came out so fire my phone legit died out of the blue last night so i'll let ya know when sprint gets me a replacement back, hoping a couple days
AlphaPhase
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Bud literally sitting on top of hydroton at the bottom of the plant
