A REAL commitment to change the 25-mile rule

HB DC

HB DC

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UnderBelly said:
There is no legal mechanism to remove the 25-mile rule other than a new separate ballot initiative, or a legislative act that decriminalizes it altogether. No lawsuit is going to do this. No lawsuit has even been proposed or described that could do it. I am not ignorant. Describe a legal mechanism by which the 25-mile rule can be removed from the AMMA.
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Maybe read this - http://www.azdhs.gov/medicalmarijuana/documents/dispensaries/CompassionFirst-v-Arizona.pdf Through the Superior Courts and had a section of the AzMMA removed.... Same gent that started this thread - ask him(Mr.Gaines) He said he would donate 10k to help fight the "25 Mile Rule". Anyone remember that? (more important than a fight)
 
HB DC

HB DC

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LV, read it..... Page 12 Line 16 thru 23..... What meaning does this have? Let me explain... The man was from Colorado and has unable to get a dispensary license simply because he was not an Arizona citizen. Now apply the same concept to the "25 Mile Rule"??? What do you get? It is unconstitutional to allow a group of citizens more rights or privileged that are not equal amongst all! Have you read the US constitution? Or Bill of Rights? Maybe the Declaration of Independence? Please America stop breeding fools.... Not at you LV!
 
HB DC

HB DC

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Lucius Vorenus said:
So which of you internet lawyering, bedroom growing kids wants to decipher that to mean the 25 mile rule should not be allowed?
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I am a citizen of the US... Its my duty to oppose corruption and unconstitutional laws! Stop with your attacks... 1 man can not own and operate a dispensary alone!. So get off the High Horse LV - you are NOT a dispensary owner NOR do you hold a license... Someone has you set up for a Dispensary Agent card?
 
Tempe420

Tempe420

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UnderBelly said:
The state does not have the authority to remove the 25-mile rule or any other language from the AMMA, for the same reason they cannot simply strike it down. It will require another ballot initiative to remove it. That's not happening. Maybe in 2014. I hope and pray I have either left this earth or at least left this state by then.
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I just read that this was put on hold actually.
 
Tempe420

Tempe420

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Good lord why do you guys all fight with each other so much?

This is why I hate forums. Fact is, you guys are all the same in real life. When you guys get online everyone gets a "persona" or whatever and then folks find it easy ti dislike or like because it's not face to face.

If 5 of you guys were in a social event with 20 other people who were not growers, you would all gravitate towards each other and get along fine. That's the funny part of internet quarrels.

I believe EPMD said it best when they said "ya gots ta chill"
 
NKultra242

NKultra242

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Every club that is against the 25 mile rule should also start a petition to end the 25 mile rule for their patients to sign so that they have the ability to grow their own medicine, then we would really see who's compassionate or not... I'm sure plenty of patients would sign.
 
HB DC

HB DC

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new compassion first said:
I've said repeatedly that I would support changes in the 25-mile rule. Now I'm putting my money behind my words. I'm committing $10,000 to changing the law through a citizen's initiative. There are two strings attached:

1. Polls have to show a 40% approval for the specific changes that would be in the new initiative
2. The money will be used as a match with other funds committed to pass the new law.

Like many people interested in running dispensaries, I am a cultivator first and a businessperson second. I've enjoyed the benefits of personal growing and believe that individuals should have the right to grow a natural plant in the privacy of their own home. Got that, but that's not the law and personally I think there are a lot of immature people who wish the world was different, and howl at the moon, instead of dealing with what really exists. Sorry, but that's what i see.

There is a separate question underlying a lot of the hostility towards dispensaries here - not from patients but from caregivers who see this as a source of income. Much like Colorado, I think there is a possibility of creating a role for caregivers in the production of marijuana for dispensaries and directly to patients. Get it in the new law, stop complaining about the existing law.

The Arizona law is very anticompetitive by restricting the business to dispensaries. I have never said otherwise. What i have said repeatedly, and what the winers don't want to admit, is that the law never would have passed in this conservative state without the 25-mile rule as that attracted both money and votes. I was not involved in the writing of Prop 203, and would not have supported the 25-mile rule, but in retrospect it was the difference maker in a 5,000 margin election.

Another thread mentioned the possibility of the legislature making positive changes in the 25-mile rule. First, are you kidding? These are the people who banned medical marijuana from college campuses. Second, it takes a 3/4 vote of both houses - not going to happen.

So, lovers and haters, let's get together and change the 25-mile rule. Would love to work with you on how to create a majority of arizona voters to support changes in the 25-mile rule. you don't have a majority now and you need it - i can help you get there.
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The 25 Mile rule in it's ripest! Looks like there is a citizen's initiative against Prop 203 not the "25 Mile Rule".


What happened Mr.Gaines? Update...
 
Chronicseeker

Chronicseeker

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With a 2014 ballot initiative looming, I don't think the 25 mile rule has a chance, sadly. Currently, the only successful part of the program with concerns to patients obtaining medicine LEGALLY is the fact patients/caregivers can grow their own. Dispensaries are not and will not have the ability to provide enough access to medicine with the current laws i.e. no wholesaler provisions. It would be tough for the program to be considered successful at this point in time unless you took it upon yourself to grown your own medicine.

Gaines is a business man and if he left this industry it was motivated by multiple intelligent decision makers within his network. They spent a ton of money to get up and running with very little return, holding out hope the industry would have a legitimate place in AZ.
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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Well considering the new 20,000sf facility that just opened up for cultivation I would have to believe adding to that the other half dozen or so massive grows that have come about, medicine will be available just fine to Dispensaries. Albeit it at the $4000lb price point this only means patients can most def expect to continue to be paying $60 1/8th for B+ meds and will be happy to do so.
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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That being said if the average dispensary makes $7600lb out the door by selling 1/8ths and is paying $3000-4000lb running a business with a 100% profit margin BEFORE expenses is going to be VERY tough to make worth while.

Every Dispensary HAS to be growing their own in order to get to that $700-800 per lb price point. 700% markup is more realistic to make a business successful. Then again, no one is supposed to be making a profit, right? :sleep:
 
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