A story of one persons experience with The Attitude Seed Bank

This is a story of one experience with Attitude, your experience may differ. This is in now way a praise or diss of the company, just the story of the experience.

This person lives in a location where beans are frowned upon, and the government has no sense of humor for such things, so paranoia is a real factor for this person.

Ordering the beans from the web site was really easy, the only hard part was making the decision which ones to purchase, as the choice is overwhelming. Kind of ridiculous if you think about, literally hundreds of strains to choose from.

The site was easy to use, the ordering process was simple. Once the order was placed the person received an e-mail notification of the order. Also received e-mail notifications about the shipping process. In the first e-mail it contained a summary of the order, clearly stating what the purchase was. Not very stealthy. In all e-mail's it was clearly stated what the company was, and what they sold, again not very stealthy, especially for a paranoid person.

With the tracking number they provide the person was able to track their shipment the entire way.

Once the order was paid for this persons bank put a freeze on their account until they verified a suspicious transaction. This person had to get on the phone and verify that they did indeed place a foreign transaction with a company called The Attitude, "an apparel store". This experience alone freaked this person out completely. Could it be a sting operation? Could it be the bank knew what product this person ordered? All kinds of thoughts were running through their head.

11 days after placing the order the beans arrived. Over 5000 miles to a location where it had to get pass customs. Before this person placed the order with Attitude they were told by someone on this forum that if you ordered using the guaranteed shipping you would Not have to sign for the package. Unfortunately this is not the case in this persons experience. There was a knock on the door, it was the usual mail person, this is not unusual as this person is constantly receiving packages dropped off by this same postal worker. When the door was answered the postal worker said they had several packages that needed signed for. This was suspicious as in years there has never been a request for a signature from any of the dozens and dozens of packages this person gets all the time. With paranoia rampant the person scribbled something on the slips of paper presented and took the packages and letters.

While the package clearly would have fit in the mail compartment, it was hand delivered and needed a signature. Again not very stealthy.

After careful examination of the package to try to determine if it had been opened. It appeared as if it had not been opened, and looked like it would have been easy to tell if it had been. The package was opened, the gift was there, with a picture of a MJ leaf and the words "Paradise Seeds" as the artwork on the gift. Again not very stealthy. Then behind the gift was the tin with the beans. Not very stealthy at all. If the package would have been opened by customs they would have clearly found the beans.

Since this person received 16 beans of 6 different strains from 6 different breeders, they had no idea if they would be able to tell which ones were which. Well all the beans are clearly marked, so that is no problem. The original breeder package was provided in most cases. In other cases the plastic bag was labeled. The beans from the breeder Nirvana was in a sealed, very professional package. It was printed and everything, looked like something you would buy in a store.

So because of this the person is pretty sure that the genetics they ordered is what they received.

Paranoid because of the verification of the transaction by the bank, and by having to sign for the beans, this person may just destroy them.

Another thing, on the package where it says Airsure, it clearly states "No Sig required", so why did the person have to sign for it? Could it be because of the location they were shipped to? Could it be because the whole thing is a sting operation? Could it be because the bank found out what was going on and informed the authorities and they then arranged a sting to prove the person accepted delivery of something that the government does not want them to have? Lots of paranoid, perhaps irrational thoughts.

So as far as actually getting the products that you order, a rating of a 10
As far as getting through customs a 10 (because it made it)
As far as overall stealth, a minus 1, not very impressed at all.

Would the person use the Attitude again, perhaps if they could get over the paranoia. It is hard to pass up those cool freebies. But if another order is placed, it might be from Nirvana, as their stealth is suppose to be very good.

So this is a story of one persons experience with Attitude Seed Bank.

Don't worry, keep the seeds and enjoy. I had an attack of paranoia when my last order from the Attitude arrived and the mail carrier asked for a signature. It also said no signature required but the carrier said all packages from overseas now require a signature. First time I was asked to sign for a seed order ever. I refused and the package went back. I posted a question about this here at rollitup.org and was informed by several members this is common and one could sign without worry. It is a bit unnerving to have to sign, it seems like you are giving a reciept for doing something illegal but several members said they have signed for multiple orders no problem.

Hi there!
Thanks for taking the time to write such a long post. It looks like despite the paranoia, everything went well.

The bank probably called you because it was your first time ordering from Attitude. I guess wow that they sell clothes too they can be considered an apparel store, that's good for us when we order. Before the order would appear on my credit card as "gift store."

You can always not use a debit card and instead pick something that is a prepaid credit card which you put money on yourself, and nobody will bother you. It's okay if they email you the actual order details, nobody can check your emails without a warrant so I wouldn't be paranoid. Instead use a different method than your debit card and you will feel much more relieved.
Ditto on the fast shipping and humungous selection.

the paranoia in this thread is both hilarious and overwhelming. "this person" got their seeds, should grow them and medicate to relax.

Wow. I've never gone through that and I've even received the dreaded letter.

I've never hated on anyone on RIU, but man you took the time to write that whole elaborate story - jeeze I feel sorry for you. Do you use other illicit medications? Or perhaps maybe you need to consult with you physician about your anxiety.

First off, if your package was pulled off the line in transit - or any package containing something that can't legally be shipped... the package will get confiscated and you will receive a letter in the mail stating so, the violation and if further action is going to be taken. IF someone was going to conduct a sting operation on you, they would never repackage something illicit and forward it on - they would make a dummy package.

Second, the "gift" is what constitutes stealth shipping in the world of ordering seeds. As opposed to having little baggies in an envelope, you wrap everything inside a t-shirt or coffee mug or something else and it looks a lot less suspicious going through scanners. Plus, take a look at the customs declartion on the package. I have no idea what they marked it as because I've never order seeds, but they had to mark it as a gift or apparel, etc. If you have a T Shirt or Coffee mug size boxed with a declaration sheet labeled "T Shirt / Coffee Mug", customs in any country isn't looking at it twice.

Third, all forgein packages need a signature. It's just how it works. Try being the shipper, it's a pain in the ass.... and the cost is outragous.



Once again all of this info is from someone who has never ordered a seed. But has however done a lot of internationship shipping and knows what they are talking about. By the way you should be happy your bank put a hold on your account for that transaction. What I figure is that Attitude has to change up their processing methods every so often to avoid legal issues, thus they have a hard time remaining a verified retailer as far as clearing houses are concerened. That tripped a red flag at your bank which apparently has a nice identity theft prevention system.


I can't even believe I repied to this post but hopefully it helps you get back on the straight thinking path.

FriendlyTokez said:

Hi there!
Thanks for taking the time to write such a long post. It looks like despite the paranoia, everything went well.

The bank probably called you because it was your first time ordering from Attitude. I guess wow that they sell clothes too they can be considered an apparel store, that's good for us when we order. Before the order would appear on my credit card as "gift store."

You can always not use a debit card and instead pick something that is a prepaid credit card which you put money on yourself, and nobody will bother you. It's okay if they email you the actual order details, nobody can check your emails without a warrant so I wouldn't be paranoid. Instead use a different method than your debit card and you will feel much more relieved.
Ditto on the fast shipping and humungous selection.

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The credit card company will call, usually in an hour or 2, because its a foreign transaction thats not common on your card. They call, ask if it was you, and apologize for bothering you.

I do agree though, it wasn't that stealthy if opened. I know of someone that ordered from herbies first, and almost had trouble finding the seeds. Almost tossed it out wit the trash. Another thing was the pineapple chunk seed was crushed from attitude, by the tin as it was the first seed on top, sideways for some reason. They said they would replace it......on the next order. Better then nothing i guess. Someone was happy with both vendors though, as both seeds showed up in less then 8 days as described.

Thanks guys, I had a similar experience. I've ordered from attitude before, and never had to sign. Then last week postal worker showed up at my door, pen in hand. I've been debating setting up tomatoes in my grow tent all weekend. I feel a lot safer now (and I would have really hated to throw out those Ace of Spades seedlings...)

All I can say is, if you have to sign for packages...then you might be ordering from the wrong company to begin with. The rest of your dissertation sounds a tad on the paranoid side.

waldo79 said:

Don't worry, keep the seeds and enjoy. I had an attack of paranoia when my last order from the Attitude arrived and the mail carrier asked for a signature. It also said no signature required but the carrier said all packages from overseas now require a signature. First time I was asked to sign for a seed order ever. I refused and the package went back. I posted a question about this here at rollitup.org and was informed by several members this is common and one could sign without worry. It is a bit unnerving to have to sign, it seems like you are giving a reciept for doing something illegal but several members said they have signed for multiple orders no problem.

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Really? Are you in the US. Because I ordered some in Oct. and didn't have to sign for them. The package was placed in the mailbox as always... hmmmm.... When was this?

potruck said:

Thanks guys, I had a similar experience. I've ordered from attitude before, and never had to sign. Then last week postal worker showed up at my door, pen in hand. I've been debating setting up tomatoes in my grow tent all weekend. I feel a lot safer now (and I would have really hated to throw out those Ace of Spades seedlings...)

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Well that sucks... I sure hope this isn't true in all 50 states.... There is no way im signing for seeds....FUCK....

From what I'm hearing, sounds like Attitude needs to revise their shipping methods...when properly done US Customs is not an issue either.

How does guaranteed shipping work if there is no proof it was delivered? That's how guaranteed shipping works. The receiver signs as proof that they have received the package. IT's a form of legal protection against being scammed or being accused as a scammer.

Idk, about anyone else, but my 'tude beans were in 2 envelopes. One for the outside covering and another which contained the beans. The US Postal code states that if there are two or more envelopes, boxes, ect. they can not open up past the first one. Meaning even if they were suspicious of the package, they literally cannot look at whats inside. Do you know how many packages go through their hands a day?? More than they can possibly remember and definitely more than enough to not suspect anything. It's just that, a package. I know people that ship literal pounds across states lines through the double box method. It's okay guys, no need to panic. Treat it like you're not doing anything illegal and no body will suspect you. No one cares enough. Not to mention its not illegal to possess seeds. It's illegal to cultivate them. So, quit freaking out, load a bowl of a nice indica, and chillllllllll.

Tmac4302 said:

Idk, about anyone else, but my 'tude beans were in 2 envelopes. One for the outside covering and another which contained the beans. The US Postal code states that if there are two or more envelopes, boxes, ect. they can not open up past the first one. Meaning even if they were suspicious of the package, they literally cannot look at whats inside. Do you know how many packages go through their hands a day?? More than they can possibly remember and definitely more than enough to not suspect anything. It's just that, a package. I know people that ship literal pounds across states lines through the double box method. It's okay guys, no need to panic. Treat it like you're not doing anything illegal and no body will suspect you. No one cares enough. Not to mention its not illegal to possess seeds. It's illegal to cultivate them. So, quit freaking out, load a bowl of a nice indica, and chillllllllll.

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shouldnt talk about whats in the "stealth" packaging, kinda defeats the purpose.

and yes in some places it IS illegal to posses seeds.

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smokey mcsmokester said:

Well that sucks... I sure hope this isn't true in all 50 states.... There is no way im signing for seeds....FUCK....

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i personally havent had to sign for anything, and i sure as shit hope i dont ever have too

JCashman said:

shouldnt talk about whats in the "stealth" packaging, kinda defeats the purpose.

and yes in some places it IS illegal to posses seeds.

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FEDERALLY it is not illegal. The USPS is a federal sanctioned service, thus abiding by federal law. Secondly, if your worried about making sure it's "stealthy" you shouldn't posting in a public forum that the public has access to. THAT defeats the purpose. Derp, derp. I know my rights and legalities to cover my ass. You don't need to preach to me about being logical. Mmm cannabis!

Throw the seeds out. If you are this paraonoid about buying seeds you'll lose your straight-laced pussy mind during the grow out.

It's really simple to grow weed safely with NO paranoia. Only 1 rule is all you need and NEVER FUCKING BREAK IT. The rule:

DON'T TELL A FUCKING SINGLE SOUL ON PLANET EARTH YOU ARE GROWING.

i had to sign for my last seed order, i freaked out at first as well, but i asked around and decided to go get them. unless you ordered enough seeds for the feds to think you're growing commercially, i probably wouldnt worry about it.