A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

Vincent VonBlown said:

If that's true then there is obviously something quite wrong here...

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I'm sure it is a lie, as he lied alleging I never made comments about leafing vineyards, which I did and which were pretty extensive. He's just another RIU fruitcake. Comparing leafing of cannabis to leafing grapes is pretty stupid - it's done for different reasons and by different folks. There's the first group of dumbshits who fall for gimmicks and then there's the vineyard pros who are trying to manipulate the chemistry of fruit for the sake of the wine.

Having said that, for those of you that give me Rep with comments all the time, sorry, I don't know who you are, the author is not listed. Nor can I give Rep back or make or receive PM's.


UB

Yep, he's a liar and pussy too. Here's that post, #130:

Uncle Ben said:

Very interesting, thanks for the link. There is a lot more than what meets the eye and what you cherry picked. That was a S. African study and to be valid under all conditions, it would need to be replicated with many varietals grown and managed under different climes and terroirs in different areas. I know leafing on the east side is recommended by TX A&M in the fruiting zone but that is primarily for the sake of reducing a compound in the grape that contributes to herbaceous. I don't agree and I'm not about to leaf. My customers are producing premium wines. TX A&M has never presented wines for examination produced from partially defoliated vines and those left untact. This (Texas) isn't Napa. Our grapes cook enough in this Texas heat. There are plenty of studies showing exact cluster temps and how it affects grape quality. There is a study that totally refutes that recommendation of leafing, saying all a grape cluster needs to be at its prime is 10% dappled light in untreated vines. http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticleSignIn&dataId=45457 You have to be a member to get the whole enchilada.

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Managing Your Canopy to Prevent Overexposed Fruit

Wine quality may be at risk when fruit is overexposed to sunlight or when too many leaves are removed from the fruit zone.
by Mark Greenspan

Sunlight is probably more important to winegrowing than is both water or nutrient availability, and its availability throughout the year limits the regions where winegrapes may be successfully grown. I frequently see vineyards with leaves stripped from the fruit zone, with clusters hanging helplessly, baking in the midday sun. Perhaps some members of our industry have looked at the cover of Richard Smart and Mike Robinson's Sunlight into Wine1 book without getting further into the meat of ...

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Uncle Ben said:

I'm sure it is a lie, as he lied about some comments I made about leafing vineyards which were pretty extensive. He's another RIU fruitcake. Comparing cannabis and grapes is pretty stupid.

Having said that, for those of you that give me Rep with comments, sorry, I don't know who you are, the author is not listed. Nor can I give Rep back or make or receive PM's.


UB

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Then practice that here.......

Uncle Ben said:

Hope not to offend you but he said it's some of the sleeziest business practices he's ever seen.

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No offense taken, I'm actually trying to get a little more insight. I just know bits and pieces, started reading up a bit recently (about Arjan, Shantibaba, Mr Nice, Neville, Sam the Skunkman, etc). It seems like a small world, especially in the early days. Not sure what to make of it all yet but there sure seems to be quite a bit of dirt. Although Arjan did take a big piece of the pie, he does not represent everyone in the business in NL as he likes to think himself (not that there isn't plenty of dirt to find on others...). To put it mildly, he's not particularly popular in the dutch grow forum (which does happen to be owned by another breeder, Sannie).

Uncle Ben said:

Said that he bought off Cannabis Cup judges which although unethical, makes perfect sense due to this gullible crowd. [...] I don't have any way to verify his claims but that kind of stuff doesn't surprise me - it's all about the money.

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Well, I've often wondered who buys the cup's "judge's passes"... Don't know if it was the same back then with the judge's passes, but when you own a coffeeshop in Amsterdam on a popular spot already and got plenty of easy money... Regardless of what really happened, I attach zero value nowadays to who 'wins' the cup. It's not entirely bs because breeders of course submit what they think is their best (or at least goes best with the paying customer), but it sure as hell does not mean that the winners are better than any of the other entries.

Uncle Ben said:

stabbing someone in the back and then picking their pockets.

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I own a reputable company (not related to MJ and not nearly as large as Arjan's) but do business primarily with US companies and that's not how 'we' generally do business over here. Win-win with a fair and healthy balance instead.

Having worked on fruit farms during my younger years, I find the comparison between grapes or any other fruit vs. weed to be illogical.

Other than both being plants, there's very little similarities between pot and fruit. Pot dies after blooming, fruit returns the following year. Seeds are inside the fruit, pot-seeds are inside of buds. Pot resembles corn more than anything else.....and I don't see farmers pruning corn stalks.

Uncle Ben said:

I'm sure it is a lie, as he lied alleging I never made comments about leafing vineyards, which I did and which were pretty extensive. He's just another RIU fruitcake. Comparing leafing of cannabis to leafing grapes is pretty stupid - it's done for different reasons and by different folks. There's the first group of dumbshits who fall for gimmicks and then there's the vineyard pros who are trying to manipulate the chemistry of fruit.

Having said that, for those of you that give me Rep with comments all the time, sorry, I don't know who you are, the author is not listed. Nor can I give Rep back or make or receive PM's.


UB

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I thought it was invite only, How do you get on?

yeah i second that i'd love to dig into some good info on there

what is it with assholes on this site going by the initials UB?

lilroach said:

Having worked on fruit farms during my younger years, I find the comparison between grapes or any other fruit vs. weed to be illogical.

Other than both being plants, there's very little similarities between pot and fruit. Pot dies after blooming, fruit returns the following year. Seeds are inside the fruit, pot-seeds are inside of buds. Pot resembles corn more than anything else.....and I don't see farmers pruning corn stalks.

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Pot plants do not die after blooming. If you picked all your bud off and left the leaves, then gave the plant 2 weeks of 18/6 light then back to 12/12 the plant will begin to re-flower. The plants die cuz we hack them to shit or they are in an environment not suitable to continue growth.

lilroach said:

Having worked on fruit farms during my younger years, I find the comparison between grapes or any other fruit vs. weed to be illogical.

Other than both being plants, there's very little similarities between pot and fruit. Pot dies after blooming, fruit returns the following year. Seeds are inside the fruit, pot-seeds are inside of buds. Pot resembles corn more than anything else.....and I don't see farmers pruning corn stalks.

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corn can be picked too and forced to reflower you have no idea what ur talkin about

i reveg flowering plants on the regular

how i stay in my numbers and run as many strains as i do

Corn has been over generation selected for it s traits . . .just like filial generations of pot . . .its grew the way it does becuase of hard work and diligent farmers . . .selectivily choosing what traits to breed for/with

and over generations we have what we call today as corn

There was a thread on another forum where this guy continually harvested,veg,harvested the same plant for like over 10 years. Damn thing looked like the blob! He would pull 20 zips a harvest easy. Indoor , hydro. I'm looking now for the link and will post.

thats pretty sweet . . .

i know i guy whos done the same thing with climatizing a strain to where we live . . .a old school skunk at that . . .lucky us 15 years later its almost done

lets the plants he like best mature and die and reseed the soil . . . then next year, after the frost and snow he clears it they sprout again and he nurtures them to summer

he intentionally soes seeds too(well . .mostly) but i thought it was cool to mention that it naturally seeds as well

Ok.......I posted with a vague and broad stroke regarding weed's growing cycle. I live in upstate NY and we have four real extreme seasons. After one of our winters, weed would be dead. Grapes and other fruits would survive. I hope that clears this up.

Situation420 said:

corn can be picked too and forced to reflower you have no idea what ur talkin about

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Cannabis is an annual. Forcing it to reveg doesn't change the fact that its natural cycle is to die as an individual and survive through reproduction.

Did you say you were a professional gardener of some sort?

chuck estevez said:

I thought it was invite only, How do you get on?

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I've not referred anybody but I guess it's as easy as someone like me, a member, to ask admin to open up the gate to my referral.

Let me know if you want in and I'll PM admin.

UB

lilroach said:

Ok.......I posted with a vague and broad stroke regarding weed's growing cycle. I live in upstate NY and we have four real extreme seasons. After one of our winters, weed would be dead. Grapes and other fruits would survive. I hope that clears this up.

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Yep.

Grapes are a perennial, cannabis is an annual.

Can we please use a few snake oils to boost things up a little? Can we please do this without any one getting mad?

UncleBuck said:

what is it with assholes on this site going by the initials UB?

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Don't have a clue, Uncle Bloomingdale.