A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

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I'm not a certified botanist either. But even if you've never grown, or studied any type of science. It's common sense, that All things have a point in temperature where they function best. Everything is more or less based on temperature and chemical reactions from those temp. variations.
 
Or let me go Vic High on you for a moment, and bring some dogs into this... Dogs live outside right? And they grow thick coats, to keep warm in the winter etc. right? Well, if you bring a dog to live in a house. Do you adjust the temps inside your house to mimic the temps outside, so the dog can function properly?.. No, you wouldn't do that, the dog adjusts by not growing a thick coat for winter. And the dog enjoys himself more living in a nice place :)
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey UB, I just saw a post you made saying you're a rocket engineer. I've been in the high power rocketry community for 15 years. It's another one of my many hobbies. Are you gainfully employed as an engineer? Love the rockets, ever since I was a kid watching the space race with the Russians. I still launch experimental/research vehicles with a great group of people in The Tripoli Rocketry Org. You ever get into the hobby rocketry stuff?
I was kidding but yes I've been into rocketry. Back in the old days, late 50's early 60's, we could buy any chemicals we wanted. So, I got into making rocket engines (and fireworks) using tools you could order via mail and packing them with something like potassium nitrate+sugar, potassium chlorate+sugar, powdered zinc+sulfur. Made stuff like mercury fulminate. The tool to make the engine was nozzle shaped, spindle turned out of a 3/4" dowel on a base so that when you got thru packing a 3/4" X 8" cardboard tube you had a clay nozzle and then a hole up the middle of the fuel so that it really kicked ass. The fuel would burn side to side like modern solid fuel engines and then the last 3" was end burning. You could finish it off with a clay plug at the top, fuse, and gunpowder charge for a parachute. A "holy" towel was used to pack the engine starting with damp powdered clay as the nozzle and then the fuel itself dropped in about a TBLSP at a time and then packed down with the dowel/mallet which had a hole through the middle of it so it could slip over the tapered spindle. Bought dynamite fuse in 150' rolls....all kinds of neat stuff. Thanks to our Muslim "friends", those days are over. :(

No mas!
 

Sir.Ganga

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I'm sure you were able to produce positive results indoors after selection and breeding, producing plants that were suited to the Canadian environment.
I'm sure it thrives in the regions where it is indigenous outside Canada as well.
Most mj growers who are growing outside have also used a similar breeding and selection processes.
A handful of mixed cannabis ceeds grown outside would probably not produce the desired result either.
But through strain selection mj growers are able to find plants that thrive well in their geographical areas outside and love it!
I wish I could throw down some 7 footers!
A man that sounds like he actually knows what the hell he is talking about! Your right all of that comes into play when trying to change parameters for growth. Its all about strain selection indoors or out. Outdoor selection will be looking for different pheno's and traits that better suit an outdoor environment, the same goes for indoors or greenhouse growing. You would not knowingly put a 12 foot Sativa in a greenhouse environment, but that doesn't mean you have to walk away from that strain either. Research and Development is an important factor these days, its too bad not ALL of us understand it.
Then please share some titles of the new age text books thats schools all over North America are using teaching increased yield with defoliation? How many times do we have to ask these simple requests of you? You have run your mouth plenty enough, its time you actually start backing it up.....
Obviously you need to go back now...my new age texts are from the 90's...Not that new, actually most of what I have PROVEN is STANDARD PRACTISE in ANY real greenhouse application TODAY. I have shown more than enough proof that you just dismiss when its not what you want to here. You...alexander supertramp, and the staring attraction...uncle ben...DO...I REPEAT...DO know this stuff and for reasons unknown to me you are here just trying to mis-guide people and demean. I will not play you games anymore, not only have I proved my point but have shown the people just what kind of growers(and I use that term loosely)you actually are. Like I said to UB, I don't hold grudges so really its O.K. to ask for advise.
 
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RockyMtnMan

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I was kidding but yes I've been into rocketry. Back in the old days, late 50's early 60's, we could buy any chemicals we wanted. So, I got into making rocket engines (and fireworks) using tools you could order via mail and packing them with something like potassium nitrate+sugar, potassium chlorate+sugar, powdered zinc+sulfur. Made stuff like mercury fulminate. The tool to make the engine was nozzle shaped, spindle turned out of a 3/4" dowel on a base so that when you got thru packing a 3/4" X 8" cardboard tube you had a clay nozzle and then a hole up the middle of the fuel so that it really kicked ass. The fuel would burn side to side like modern solid fuel engines and then the last 3" was end burning. You could finish it off with a clay plug at the top, fuse, and gunpowder charge for a parachute. A "holy" towel was used to pack the engine starting with damp powdered clay as the nozzle and then the fuel itself dropped in about a TBLSP at a time and then packed down with the dowel/mallet which had a hole through the middle of it so it could slip over the tapered spindle. Bought dynamite fuse in 150' rolls....all kinds of neat stuff. Thanks to our Muslim "friends", those days are over. :(

No mas!
I still have in my possession, a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook I got when I was 18 in 1980. (fulminate of mercury is one of the recipes)
I hope I was not just placed on a government watch list.

Try getting a copy now, or try and check out "The Art of War" at the library.

Maybe it was my small town, but I had to fill out a form and she called me in three days when it "came in".
Be careful anyone if you search the "Anarchist Cookbook", go through a filter or a public terminal. This book pisses a lot of people off!
 

RockyMtnMan

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Oh yeh, and don't smoke nettles, banana skins, orange pith and thistles as suggested in a couple chapters under other ways to get high. (you'll get a headache! lol)

Some of the chapters are funny, but I HEARD (never tried of course) that some of the recipes work
 

lilroach

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I went to school to learn Network Administration for computer networks...I'm a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. I thought I knew everything to know about computers when I finished in 2000. Of all the things I know about computers now, what I learned in school is probably 5% of my total knowledge. The other 95% is from years of hands-on experience.

And I now know there's a ton more I don't know.

I say this because I would rather get my knowledge from someone that's been growing pot for decades over someone that has only been growing 4-5 years. There's no substitute for experience.

The problem with this site and all the other grow sites is the massive noise of misinformation. Just about every mistake I've made during my short period of growing has been because I've followed the advice of so-called experts, and until I latched onto one grower....rockymtnman and now Uncle Ben.....I was continuing to make new (and sometimes expensive) mistakes. These "old timers" advice has been consistent.....and much has very little to do with hyped nutrients, snake oil, PH BS, and hydro-shop sales pitches.

I am thankful that there's what seems to be a small handful of old timers on here to set the record straight.....for they have years of experience to draw from.
 

Rocketman64

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I was kidding but yes I've been into rocketry. Back in the old days, late 50's early 60's, we could buy any chemicals we wanted. So, I got into making rocket engines (and fireworks) using tools you could order via mail and packing them with something like potassium nitrate+sugar, potassium chlorate+sugar, powdered zinc+sulfur. Made stuff like mercury fulminate. The tool to make the engine was nozzle shaped, spindle turned out of a 3/4" dowel on a base so that when you got thru packing a 3/4" X 8" cardboard tube you had a clay nozzle and then a hole up the middle of the fuel so that it really kicked ass. The fuel would burn side to side like modern solid fuel engines and then the last 3" was end burning. You could finish it off with a clay plug at the top, fuse, and gunpowder charge for a parachute. A "holy" towel was used to pack the engine starting with damp powdered clay as the nozzle and then the fuel itself dropped in about a TBLSP at a time and then packed down with the dowel/mallet which had a hole through the middle of it so it could slip over the tapered spindle. Bought dynamite fuse in 150' rolls....all kinds of neat stuff. Thanks to our Muslim "friends", those days are over. :(

No mas!
Believe it or not, we still do make our rocket motors. We're using a much more advanced type of solid rocket fuel than black powder, zinc/sulphur and the like. We use the same basic formulations as the solid rocket boosters on the space shuttle. It's an ammonium perchlorate/aluminum powder mixture held together with a rubber-like binder. It mixes a bit like playdoh or can be made pourable more like pancake batter. When it cures it has the consistency of a super ball- spongy but firm. We fill phenolic liners using mandrels for a specific size core through the center. This propagates flame through the entire length of the motor casing resulting in instant pressure in the motor case. Nozzles are graphite, casings are aluminum and closures are typically held together with snap rings and O-rings. Of course there are hundreds of formulas for mixing different motors depending on burn time desired or color of flame desired. Rocketry has come a long way since we were messing with Estes rockets on the school playground. Just do a search for high power rocketry in Google if you want to see some pretty cool stuff. I like growing almost as much as launching big, obnoxious rockets it just takes a little longer to get the desired results. Funny, it seems there's still as much research and work to get a decent plant yield as there is to launch a somewhat complicated rocket, go figure. For me, the journey is as rewarding as the final result, kinda why I like these types of hobbies.
 

Alexander Supertramp

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Oh yeh, and don't smoke nettles, banana skins, orange pith and thistles as suggested in a couple chapters under other ways to get high. (you'll get a headache! lol)

Some of the chapters are funny, but I HEARD (never tried of course) that some of the recipes work
Smoking nettles I dont think so. But pick them in the spring, young and tender, and they make a tasty, healthy addition too any diet.
http://www.wildhealthfood.com/the-benefits-of-eating-nettles
 

RockyMtnMan

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Yeh I have eaten them and fiddle ferns sautéed in butter and garlic.
My post with a reference to a banned book and these smoking suggestions contained therein has been deleted.
I think the mods may have done me a favor and I will speak of it no more.
 

Uncle Ben

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A man that sounds like he actually knows what the hell he is talking about! Your right all of that comes into play when trying to change parameters for growth. Its all about strain selection indoors or out. Outdoor selection will be looking for different pheno's and traits that better suit an outdoor environment, the same goes for indoors or greenhouse growing. You would not knowingly put a 12 foot Sativa in a greenhouse environment, but that doesn't mean you have to walk away from that strain either. Research and Development is an important factor these days, its too bad not ALL of us understand it. Obviously you need to go back now...my new age texts are from the 90's...Not that new, actually most of what I have PROVEN is STANDARD PRACTISE in ANY real greenhouse application TODAY. I have shown more than enough proof that you just dismiss when its not what you want to here. You...alexander supertramp, and the staring attraction...uncle ben...DO...I REPEAT...DO know this stuff and for reasons unknown to me you are here just trying to mis-guide people and demean. I will not play you games anymore, not only have I proved my point but have shown the people just what kind of growers(and I use that term loosely)you actually are. Like I said to UB, I don't hold grudges so really its O.K. to ask for advise.
You have a deep seated low self esteem problem.
 

Uncle Ben

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Believe it or not, we still do make our rocket motors. We're using a much more advanced type of solid rocket fuel than black powder, zinc/sulphur and the like. We use the same basic formulations as the solid rocket boosters on the space shuttle. It's an ammonium perchlorate/aluminum powder mixture held together with a rubber-like binder. It mixes a bit like playdoh or can be made pourable more like pancake batter. When it cures it has the consistency of a super ball- spongy but firm. We fill phenolic liners using mandrels for a specific size core through the center. This propagates flame through the entire length of the motor casing resulting in instant pressure in the motor case. Nozzles are graphite, casings are aluminum and closures are typically held together with snap rings and O-rings. Of course there are hundreds of formulas for mixing different motors depending on burn time desired or color of flame desired. Rocketry has come a long way since we were messing with Estes rockets on the school playground. Just do a search for high power rocketry in Google if you want to see some pretty cool stuff. I like growing almost as much as launching big, obnoxious rockets it just takes a little longer to get the desired results. Funny, it seems there's still as much research and work to get a decent plant yield as there is to launch a somewhat complicated rocket, go figure. For me, the journey is as rewarding as the final result, kinda why I like these types of hobbies.
Very cool. Wish I could send you a PM. My community has a high school rocketry program that is followed by ISD's across the nation and sets the class for future young aeronautical engineers. And the high school built rockets fired are on a ranch only miles from my farm.

UB
 

Mad Hamish

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Why is it such a problem for you what the guy does and where he learns from dude? Seriously, got bud envy much? To each his own. Isn't it really insecure feeling threatened by what another person holds in hos own head, seriously now?
 

Uncle Ben

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My post with a reference to a banned book and these smoking suggestions contained therein has been deleted.
I think the mods may have done me a favor and I will speak of it no more.
It's a shame it's come to this, but yeah, I'd be careful of what I say on the internet and social networks like Facebook. Like I said, the only secure form of communication is using PGP. In the old days when there was only Usenet we used PGP (or a form of it) and chain-linked thru many encrypted servers such that you didn't know where it originated or if you were not last in line didn't know where it (the message) was headed. TOR's a damn good program.

UB
 

lilroach

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I know that there's many ways to skin a cat, and I know that there's supposed "new and improved" ways of growing weed.

I personally find all the so-called better ways of growing from these "new and improved" advances only seem to improve the profits of those selling these advances. I'm following someone's large outdoor grow, and the only technology he's using is the sun, soil, some nutrients, and water. The plants are becoming massive, healthy, and promises to yield tonnage. He doesn't scrog, require high-priced high-hyped additives, fancy watering systems, super-cropping, or any of the "advances" in growing. He's growing it the old fashion way.

He gets great results......because of his years of experience...not technological gimmicks.

I asked my plants if they know how much money I've spent on them, and they are clueless. My goal is to end up with four ounces per plant, and for me, I feel this goal is more achievable following those that have done so on a regular basis for decades.

To the poster that questions my ability to do research......I have thank you.....and that research has led me to back to the basics. I've tried the new stuff, and it isn't for me.
 

Mad Hamish

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I asked my plants if they know how much money I've spent on them, and they are clueless.
PRICELESS bro :) And I agree with you, nothing beats an oldschool outdoor grow. I used to trim bud for a large producer and the size of some of these things was unreal. There were plants tipping the scales at over 2 dry kilograms OFTEN, shit you not.

And that was good seed, good water, soil prepared the way grandpa did it and that was IT.

I like messing about and trying stuff, but I haven't really found anything that can make a big outdoor plant go BIGGER. Lots of tweaks for indoors sure, but outside nothing yields like something just left the hell alone, providing it's got enough room.
 

Uncle Ben

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PRICELESS bro :) And I agree with you, nothing beats an oldschool outdoor grow. I used to trim bud for a large producer and the size of some of these things was unreal. There were plants tipping the scales at over 2 dry kilograms OFTEN, shit you not.

And that was good seed, good water, soil prepared the way grandpa did it and that was IT.
I believe it. I got an email from Christophe, a breeder and source of Zamal, La Reunion island, and he said they grew some Zamal and hung a swing on it!
 

Dboi87

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It seems like the common conception is that light only has a major impact on plant parts/colas/branches that the light is directly or most intensely shining on. I always thought that leaves just soaked up the light to create food and then that would go to the benefit of the entire plant in general. Can anyone explain the relationship between light leaves and production? Is direct light really what causes bud growth or could it just be a hormonal response from the tallest/main growing tips that give the illusion that the buds closest to the light (often the buds on the main growing tips) have better growth?
 
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