Abortion.

eye exaggerate · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
The land of the free isn't the land of the free when you stick your noes in others business and try to control their lives.

...one thing is certain to me. I'd really speak about this if I were speaking to someone directly in front of me, and that person was the person potentially aborting. I have no say on other people's lives. No question that this is a personal scenario. It would have to be me and the pregnant woman, that's it. The rest of this mess is an unfortunate one.

BudDub · Oct 21, 2011

eye exaggerate said:
...with respect to women here who may have had one, re-read my post. And then we'll purposely derail this.

Sure okay... But my agrument remains. The mother is more attached to her child then anyone while she is carring. Why wouldn't she want a funeral? Maybe because its not fully a child yet. Maybe its more part of her body then it is an individual.

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

eye exaggerate said:
...one thing is certain to me. I'd really speak about this if I were speaking to someone directly in front of me, and that person was the person potentially aborting. I have no say on other people's lives. No question that this is a personal scenario. It would have to be me and the pregnant woman, that's it. The rest of this mess is an unfortunate one.

I'm glad you feel so passionately about a situation you're not in that you have to badger an already socially excluded young girl with your moral principles.

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

do you really want to live in "the land of the free" where everyone is free to do whatever they want? no matter what it is? even if it is killing each other openly?

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
do you really want to live in "the land of the free" where everyone is free to do whatever they want? no matter what it is? even if it is killing each other openly?

So fucking cliche. Yes. That is what 'free' means. Right? :roll:

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
So fucking cliche. Yes. That is what 'free' means. Right?

thats what i took it to mean from your previous statement. you want no one to mess in anyone else's business. and buy business you hint that you actually mean life in any way.

do i want anyone to tell me wether or not i can or cannot do anything? No, i don't want anyone telling me what i can and can't do, but do i also accept that if that right were extended to everyone this would be a terrifying place to live.

eye exaggerate · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
I'm glad you feel so passionately about a situation you're not in that you have to badger an already socially excluded young girl with your moral principles.

...(french) Pardon?

My post was about Carlin, I've pointed that out. *removes the hook*

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

eye exaggerate said:
...(french) Pardon? My post was about Carlin, I've pointed that out. *removes the hook*

How in heavens name were you talking about Carlin?

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
thats what i took it to mean from your previous statement. you want no one to mess in anyone else's business. and buy business you hint that you actually mean life in any way.

Uh? Are you serious? You think that there is EVER a time where a person should mess in anothers business?

BudDub · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
do you really want to live in "the land of the free" where everyone is free to do whatever they want? no matter what it is? even if it is killing each other openly?

So I take it you feel abortion is murder right? Why? Isn't a fetus dependent on the mother for life? Therefore, it does not have a life of its own, correct?

eye exaggerate · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
How in heavens name were you talking about Carlin?

3:29 errch. How the fck it got here I dunno. Last thing I posted about it was to say that I really would only want to discuss this 'seriously' if I were in the situation - and felt that commenting was mostly irrelevant to people's specific situations anyway.

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

eye exaggerate said:
3:29 errch. How the fck it got here I dunno. Last thing I posted about it was to say that I really would only want to discuss this 'seriously' if I were in the situation - and felt that commenting was mostly irrelevant to people's specific situations anyway.

I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

this is not an argument of right and wrong, this is a contest to see who is able to devise the most complicated argument and counter those who would oppose.

what we do not realize is there is no end..... there is no victory to be had and we fight on because its what we believe in. we have no common ground on which to base our argument, we have no shared definition of right and wrong, and unless we can find some common ground we might as well be speaking in different languages. all we are able to do is twist the meanings of words or make associations to confuse our opposition.

but until then we can continue this =)

BudDub · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
I have no idea what you're talking about anymore.

Neither does he... Or maybe he just has a way with words. Either way Im convinced.

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
this is not an argument of right and wrong, this is a contest to see who is able to devise the most complicated argument and counter those who would oppose.

what we do not realize is there is no end..... there is no victory to be had and we fight on because its what we believe in. we have no common ground on which to base our argument, we have no shared definition of right and wrong, and unless we can find some common ground we might as well be speaking in different languages. all we are able to do is twist the meanings of words or make associations to confuse our opposition.

but until then we can continue this =)

You do realize just because you say all these things it doesn't make them true right?

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
Uh? Are you serious? You think that there is EVER a time where a person should mess in anothers business?

yes if that person just killed another one, if that person just assaulted another one unprovoked, if one person robs another one, of a child is being abused, ect....

do you disagree?

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
yes if that person just killed another one, if that person just assaulted another one unprovoked, if one person robs another one, of a child is being abused, ect....

do you disagree?

If it's none of your business, then yes.

I do disagree.

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
You do realize just because you say all these things it doesn't make them true right?

how can we resolve an argument like this without first meeting the conditions i outlined in my other post?

The Cryptkeeper · Oct 21, 2011

Justin00 said:
how can we resolve an argument like this without first meeting the conditions i outlined in my other post?

It's not an argument it's a debate, and debate's are not meant to be resolved. They are meant to be continued and individuals end their part of the debate at their own discretion. Never been in a debate?

Justin00 · Oct 21, 2011

The Cryptkeeper said:
If it's none of your business, then yes. I do disagree.

then you have just pointed out why you and i could never resolve this conversation.

i feel it is wrong to turn your back on another person being harmed weather its my problem or not.

you feel we should all turn our backs and walk away while we hear the screams of others fading behind us.

and yes i said those things is a way to present myself as the positive one and you as the negative, and thats all that can be done when you and i share no moral foundations.

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