Abortion.

Justin00 said:
this is not an argument of right and wrong, this is a contest to see who is able to devise the most complicated argument and counter those who would oppose.

what we do not realize is there is no end..... there is no victory to be had and we fight on because its what we believe in. we have no common ground on which to base our argument, we have no shared definition of right and wrong, and unless we can find some common ground we might as well be speaking in different languages. all we are able to do is twist the meanings of words or make associations to confuse our opposition.

but until then we can continue this =)
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Well see heres were your logic has failed you because at this present time abortion is legal and this thread would stand as a debate between that and the idea of it being 'wrong'. So your saying we cannot debate until we set a standard for what is right and what is wrong but how can you set a standard without actually debating the topic first?
 
Justin00 said:
then you have just pointed out why you and i could never resolve this conversation.

i feel it is wrong to turn your back on another person being harmed weather its my problem or not.

you feel we should all turn our backs and walk away while we hear the screams of others fading behind us.

and yes i said those things is a way to present myself as the positive one and you as the negative, and thats all that can be done when you and i share no moral foundations.
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Ya. That about sums it up. You're having a debate with a moral nihilist, and you're the ignorant moral chump who believes that you can 'resolve' a debate. :lol:
 
BudDub said:
Well see heres were your logic has failed you because at this present time abortion is legal and this thread would stand as a debate between that and the idea of it being 'wrong'. So your saying we cannot debate until we set a standard for what is right and what is wrong but how can you set a standard without actually debating the topic first?
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respect - well said, now you see what i mean. we must find things in common that we all feel are wrong or right then we can each attempt to show similarities or differences in thoes things and abortion and thus reach some degree of agreement.
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
Ya. That about sums it up. You're having a debate with a moral nihilist, and you're the ignorant moral chump who believes that you can 'resolve' a debate. :lol:
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now come on - i have not once resorted to name calling and insults. please don't give up on civil conversation so quickly.
 
Justin00 said:
now come on - i have not once resorted to name calling and insults. please don't give up on civil conversation so quickly.
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You might actually be the most judgmental fool I've met on this site. :| That is saying A LOT. I'm serious. That is a terrible title for you to bear.
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
You might actually be the most judgmental fool I've met on this site. :| That is saying A LOT. I'm serious. That is a terrible title for you to bear.
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wow you have really dropped all pretenses of continuing a civilized debate, is that really the best you can do? abandon all hope of respectful conversation and turn blatantly to childish means of solving disagreements? i can not speak for anyone else but you have clearly given up any attempts to honorably represent your side of this argument. well there is no longer anything to be gained by trying to speak to you now. carry on with your anger blinded ignorance (and that is in no way directed at your opinion on abortion) I only wish we could have stopped this conversation before you were pushed to this point. I wish you the best and hope we can continue to associate without grudge in other topics, i harbor no hard feelings toward you or your opinions and only regret that you feel the way you do about me.

and in leaving i would like to at least let you know that i do not have solid opinion on abortion. i have beliefs that support both sides and am just as confused as anyone about my stand on the situation. i came to this topic to gain other views and see other side of the debate and while here i was simply sharing opposing views in order to more accurately judge the validity of other views. and would like to thank everyone else here for there input as well.
 
Justin00 said:
wow you have really dropped all pretenses of continuing a civilized debate, is that really the best you can do? abandon all hope of respectful conversation and turn blatantly to childish means of solving disagreements? i can not speak for anyone else but you have clearly given up any attempts to honorably represent your side of this argument. well there is no longer anything to be gained by trying to speak to you now. carry on with your anger blinded ignorance (and that is in no way directed at your opinion on abortion) I only wish we could have stopped this conversation before you were pushed to this point. I wish you the best and hope we can continue to associate without grudge in other topics, i harbor no hard feelings toward you or your opinions and only regret that you feel the way you do about me.

and in leaving i would like to at least let you know that i do not have solid opinion on abortion. i have beliefs that support both sides and am just as confused as anyone about my stand on the situation. i came to this topic to gain other views and see other side of the debate and while here i was simply sharing opposing views in order to more accurately judge the validity of other views. and would like to thank everyone else here for there input as well.
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LOL Jesus you're REALLY Mr. Pot calling the kettle black. Stop being such a hypocrite and get your facts straight. No argument has taken place my ignorant child.
 
The Cryptkeeper said:
LOL Jesus you're REALLY Mr. Pot calling the kettle black. Stop being such a hypocrite and get your facts straight. No argument has taken place my ignorant child.
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there are no "facts" only opinions and that is the problem i was under the impression we were attempting to work around. Thank you for you opinion =), and i will go ahead and apologize for the cold pretense i wrote my last reply in. it is slightly frustrating when you are actually trying to have a conversation and the other side begins adding insults and disrespectful names to there replies. i really don't understand where all your anger is coming from.

you describe yourself as a "moral nihilist" and i have no problem accepting that and continuing our conversation with that proclamation in mind and approach the debate from another direction if you will permit it.
 
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