canndo
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"YES - SOMETIMES", I have repeatedly stated that I am a liberal. Now even "yes, sometimes" beats "no, never" and I dn't see the rightists here sidling up to liberals on any point, ever.
Administration Fears Obamacare So Flawed, It Could Bankrupt Insurance Companies
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"YES - SOMETIMES", I have repeatedly stated that I am a liberal. Now even "yes, sometimes" beats "no, never" and I dn't see the rightists here sidling up to liberals on any point, ever.
canndo
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That still doesn't make it "government run". And no, it is not a good thing. I would sooner have a government run one. But the rght always insists on havnig it both ways. It is either a goverment takeover or a "gift to the insurnace companies". So which is it.
kynes is half liberal, part of the jew card
..i like much of what he says..makes good points 50-80% of the time..then kinda loses it 20%..i wuv you kynes:hugs:Making the claim it's not government run is either deceptive or naive.
When the federal government makes the rules for the doctors, insurance companies and the public, it's government run.
When the government gives discounts (subsidies) and offers free healthcare to some and not to others, all in the same government pool, it's run by the government.
When the government sets the prices for doctors and hospitals, it's government run.
How blind can some people be.
canndo
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Really. Have you any first hand knowlege of the current health care situation - at all? If the government pays the insurance company and the insurance comapany pays the provider, where is the "government run" part"? There are thousands of regulations on oil companies - are they government run as well? hundreds more on car companies - INCLUDING foreign cars - are they government run?
Agreed, how blind some people can be.
canndo
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Doubt it. Except when their "facts" agree with their preconcieved notions of reality.
This is why it's impossible to debate a thing with you canndo,, you won't except facts.
Prior to Obamacare, people were free to chose any insurance plan, from any insurance company they wanted. The consumer paid the insurance company and the insurance company then paid the provider, that is not the case now, there is no debate about this. Now the government steps in and changed it, where do the money for premiums go when you sign up on the exchange, how does the government pay providers for the subsidized?
Trying to convince me that all other industries are regulated, therefore Obamacare is just regulating insurance companies is another display of your naivety, the insurance industry has long been regulated by the government, can you remember the last time the government mandated what gas stations you could choose from, or better yet, forcing you to purchase gas or face a fine?
I also noticed you failed to address my other points, care to give them a shot?
abandonconflict
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First off, I didn't say it was government run. Secondly, I am not on the right. In another thread today you also mistook me for someone who neglects to criticize private power along with government because you think I am right wing.
Government exists to serve the ruling class and protect private property.
ChesusRice
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You mean the site created by The Republican Walter Annenberg that usually finds faults with everyone?
No only when they support my side Becuase they are partisan (sarcasm)
the "rules" are to insure we get proper coverage with 80% of our premiums going toward our health..that leaves 20% margin for profit for them and that is PLENTY..we VOTED on it.
tell me beenthere, did you have issues growing up when it came to following the "rules"?
......................This is why it's impossible to debate a thing with you canndo,, you won't except facts.
Prior to Obamacare, people were free to chose any insurance plan, from any insurance company they wanted. The consumer paid the insurance company and the insurance company then paid the provider, that is not the case now, there is no debate about this. Now the government steps in and changed it, where do the money for premiums go when you sign up on the exchange, how does the government pay providers for the subsidized?
subsidies are paid directly to the insurance company you choose on your behalf then the insurance company invoices any balance due which you can pay online to the insurance company or via snail mail and check.
Trying to convince me that all other industries are regulated, therefore Obamacare is just regulating insurance companies is another display of your naivety, the insurance industry has long been regulated by the government, can you remember the last time the government mandated what gas stations you could choose from, or better yet, forcing you to purchase gas or face a fine?
pre-aca it has been proven the insurance companies take advantage of the insured..choosing healthcare is not the same as purchasing gas
I also noticed you failed to address my other points, care to give them a shot?
i noticed how no one answered this other than you and it was the righties of this forum screaming that they needed non-partisan..jackasses
Ah, now you're justifying the "rules" so that means you admit that government is running our healthcare insurance.
Sorry, I don't remember a vote taking place, please enlighten me.
So, you never did mention who pays the providers for those subsidized services.
Go ahead, go on, say it, say, the GOVERNMENT does beenthere.
who did you vote for in 2008?..i voted for obama which is a vote FOR ACA..
see post #92
UncleBuck
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Antidisestablishmentarian
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Yes, sometimes you are way too partisan.
You keep on keeping on bro. Just try not to proclaim that only the right does something while the left is doing that very thing right in front of you.
I know you can be non partisan. That's why it's shocking to me to see such partisanship come from you SOMETIMES.
