connoisseurde420
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ok after reading apple this I still wonder if AN 6 types of b vitamins are nessesary because the literature addresses b1 only the most common that I see. anyone with input feel free 
Advanced Nutrients B-52. Is it worth the price?
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budman111
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Plants produce their own B vitamins so it is totally unnecessary in bottle form.
Dont use b52 until the 3rd week of flowering. It is formulated to promote flowering growth contianing hormones, vitamins and nutrients for optimal growth. You dont run it the first few weeks because the plants are in a stressful state switchin from veg to flowering and it will inhibit the stretching and node stacking you want to set up for abundant yields. It contains kelp and seaweed that promotes tight bud formation, so using it for the first two weeks is counter productive because you want the stretchinng and nodes stacking up so you have plenty of nice flowering sites for bloom.
Thats why you use it starting at week 3 when most of the initial stretching and flowering phase has been initiated. It is definitely worth the price and is one of the main ingredients regardless of which level of nutrients you use from their line. Plants can make their own vitamins but using pre made vitamins and sourced nutrients relieves stress from the plants to focus on converting sugars and carbs into useable energy for bud production. So using B52 helps aid in the process by supplying plenty of them for your plants which reduces stress on them, which is exactly what everyone wants their plants to do.
As I mentioned it has kelp and seaweed extracts and good amount of nitrogen which helps to keep everything nice and green and healthy. It also has plenty of natural and organic amendments and synthetic blends that promote vigorous flower growth, you dont need to run that at full strength. The B52, Nirvana and Rhino Skin I always use at 4 ml per gallon.
The only additives I recommend for most strains going full strength is the Voodoo, Big Bud, Overdrive and Bud Factor X.
The Rhino Skin can be foliar sprayed as can the Bud Factor X. I find that the response from the plants is better when foliar feeding these 2 additives up until the 3rd week in bloom. Then I go back to the root drench with them, and cut out Rhino Skin at week 5-6 depending on variety.
The Bud Factor X is like Terpinator it is used to promote terpene and essential oil production in your plants and is really good product that I use regardless of what base nutrients I am running.
Thats not entirely true. They can produce their own vitamins but in indoor cultivation where you are maximizing all potential for your plants providing pre made vitamins and minerals aids in relieving stresses and make them more readily available so they dont need to focus on producing them and in turn can use their energy to produce carbs and sugars into useable forms of energy to drive flower production. It also is very useful during transplanting and right after initial flowering phase to reduce and relieve stresses from our plants.
For example our bodies produce certain hormones and other chemical processes that we can supplement such as steroids that create more hormones that our body cant naturally produce enough of such as testosterone and estrogen. Providing nutrients is the same type of deal where your are ensuring you are providing the maximum amount they can in turn use because they are available which drives bigger better yields and production.
budman111
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Check this bonafide link dismissing the B vitamin myth, its good for the salesman though
http://www.almadenvalleynursery.com/site/breaking-the-vitamin-b-1myth-articles.php
You compare human vitamin use to plants?
Why not? We both need them and benefit from taking them so yeah I would say thats correct statement. We might not use them on the same levels or as important to plants as humans but thats what I used for my reference. I dont see any issues with that.
You can call it a sales pitch whatever you want if you dont think you need them just dont buy it or use it and its that simple. But for those interested in the benefits and reasoning I explained it from my point of view and I use them and wont grow without them. vitamins and minerals are essential to all things living from flora to fauna we all need these things to survive and thrive.
budman111
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Really hate to burst your bubble but the B Vitamin is a con, Here is a link By Robert Cox, Horticulture Agent, Colorado State University Cooperative Extension:
http://www.colostate.edu/Dept/CoopExt/4dmg/Garden/beware.htm
"vitamin B1 (thiamine), often sold to "prevent transplant shock" and "stimulate new root growth" when planting trees, shrubs, roses and other plants. A study in the 1930's provided the basis for such claims. Pea roots cut off from the plant were placed in a culture medium in the laboratory.
The researchers knew that thiamine was normally found in roots, so they put thiamine in the culture medium and found that root growth did occur. Vitamin B1 is manufactured in 0lant leaves and sent to the roots, but if roots are cut off and placed in a petri plate, vitamin B1 stimulates growth of the roots when it saturates the culture medium.
Planting trees in a soil environment, however, is vastly different from a laboratory culture. Most important, gardeners aren't in the habit of cutting off the root system when planting. Several studies using intact mums, apple trees, orange trees, pine, tomato, beans, pepper, corn, pear, watermelon and squash have failed to demonstrate that vitamin B1 treatments provide any type of growth response.
Some "root stimulator" products contain a rooting hormone and fertilizer along with vitamin B1. These materials may increase rooting and growth, not the vitamin B1.
The bottom line: While root stimulator products are not necessary for transplant success, if you do use one, make sure it contains a rooting hormone and fertilizer rather than just vitamin B1. The vitamin B1 is for marketing purposes rather than actual effect".
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Like I said if you dont think you need it or dont like it just dont use it. Its that simple. And B52 isnt just B vitamins. It contains kelp, seaweed and humic/fulvics and many other things including trace elements and vitamins. So your point is really irrelevant regarding B vitamins, because it isnt just a bottle of B vitamins its a complex proprietory blend of everything I listed including other things that are beneficial for plant growth.
If you dont like AN just dont buy their products and dont use them. But if you do use them or have used them you would know that its quality nutrients that produce heavy yields and great quality meds. As I said before I like growing all organics using "super soils" and amendments, TEAS and endo/ecto myco etc...
But if I am using or going to use liquid nutrients I like AN, Green Planet and Dutch Pro.. I have had good quality results with Botanicare PB SERIES. Almost every nutrient company works its just how well it works and what I mean by that is the "Big 3"
Quality, Yield and Plant health.
So to keep it simple if you dont like AN just dont use them or buy their stuff. But dont try shit on something you dont know about or dont like because of politics, their nutrients are very good and in my opinion well worth the cost.
weedemart
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I think you got brain washed by AN marketing strategy. Yea every nutes works but some company invest in the product content and other in fancy bottles.
b52 isnt just b vitamins, youre right. its a ton of organic extract blended , diluted a 1:100 ratio so they charge you ten times the price that they pay. good deal. you could buy a galon of the best seaweed extract for less than 100$ , 1kg powdered humic for less than 50$ and it would last u for years.
nah i guess u prefer fancy bottle right.
If you knew the real science behind these product, you could argue on their benefit(very minus benefit) and I could prove these products doesnt worth it, but as I can see,your just quoting AN claim and have nothing to back your/their claim.
its easy to spot shady nutes company , they always claims lots of bullshit with no science behinds.
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Im not brainwashed about anything my friend. I got guys out here pulling down 3 lbs per light using AN. I myself have been getting 2.5 per light. You can call it whatever you want I dont listen to anyone tell me anything. Im open ears and do the research and the work myself and find out what works for me. If I can do it anyone can. As I mentioned before if you dont like it dont use it, if you dont think you need it just dont buy it and its that simple.
Have you ever even used AN nutrients yourself. Their complete lineup and done runs or side by sides, or are you like the other 99% of people who just listen to other people tell you its BS and brain washing so you just believe them and repeat it?
I will make a claim and guarantee its close to accurate that for every 10 ppl talking shit about 9 of them have never even boughy 1 bottle of their products but seem to know exactly how bad it is lol. They made 52 million last year and if their products were shit and didnt work I doubt they would be doing those numbers. Call it what you want but dont be a follower be a Boss and do the homework yourself. You tell me what other nutrient lines are gonna give you 2.5-3 lbs per light with A grade quality and then we can have a real convo about what nutes are top dog. Just wait for the next few months when AN gives out the strain specific charts and people pulling down these numbers and see who isnt buying the shit then.
chuck estevez
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UM, HI PKBOOSTED, canna_bil or whatever name you are using now, Mr. sockpuppet
Yeah this is Cannibil I lost my pw and account info cant figure out what my email address I used was had make another account. Im not pikbooster idk why you are still stuck on that but how you doing troll? You still bothering people on here I see. Nothing better to do with your time I guess the old adage is true you cant teach and old dog new tricks. Heard you got a bad anal infection a few weeks ago from riding these other donkeys cholos on here with your closet garden of your BS Dynablow. You are a lost cause but glad to see you are still being a keyboard warrior keep it going my friend.
chuck estevez
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butthurt Much? LOL I could smell your bullshit a mile away!!
weedemart
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yeah I must admit I spent few hundred dollars in fancy products when I started, maybe, ten years ago, and I was happy at that time. AN was so hyped at that time , I remember. I was using all the fancy and expensive product like tarentula piranha big bud etc...... Until I decide to find alternative product to reduce my cost of operation. I made research ,read book on horticulture , did test , made comparative grow. I realized environnement was the most important factor , consistence was the second factor with most impact and nutrients was linked to both.
So I put everything I learned at that time in pratice,I made my own formulation based on my environnement.
Then I started mix my own salt and I've experienced amazing result but finally came back to the simplicity because it offer more consistence and ease. 2-parts complete nutrients, no fancy bottle and my garden have thrive since.... I'm not trying to pull 100 lb of a light. I'm trying to grow them at their maximum potential and they rewards me with tasty buds.
I tried all the big company , gh ,canna , advanced, hg and the only one id recommand without a doubt is canna and technaflora , if u dont buy all the additive they made to lighten your pockets.
So I put everything I learned at that time in pratice,I made my own formulation based on my environnement.
Then I started mix my own salt and I've experienced amazing result but finally came back to the simplicity because it offer more consistence and ease. 2-parts complete nutrients, no fancy bottle and my garden have thrive since.... I'm not trying to pull 100 lb of a light. I'm trying to grow them at their maximum potential and they rewards me with tasty buds.
I tried all the big company , gh ,canna , advanced, hg and the only one id recommand without a doubt is canna and technaflora , if u dont buy all the additive they made to lighten your pockets.
Thats your upper lip your smelling. You got wipe your nose off between brown nosin these clowns on here.
If you like Canna which is one of the best nutrient lines on the market than you should like AN because its basically the same exact shit. AN Jungle Juice 2 part is the same exact formula with a small difference as Canna Substra. They took the 2 part broke it down tweaked it and made their own formula.
People complain saying oh AN is snake oil because they have 10 bottles in their lineup. Fact is yes they do because their formulas are made so you can tweak them to specific strains and have total control over all aspects of your grow from a nutrient stand point.
Botanicare has the same amount of bottles in their lineup but you never here people saying they are a scam or snake oil... So why is that?
Botanicare has:
Base, Cal Mag, Silica, Hydroplex, Hydroguard, Vitamino, Tea, Sweet, and Liquid Karma.
GH also has like 10-12 bottles and amendments. So why arent people ragging in them?
You see my point here. If you knew and understood why they have all the additives in separate bottles than you would realize it is necessary. You can do whatever you want it doesnt matter to me what you use. As I said before I like Canna and Botanicare, but my favorite thing to do is grow organics. But if I was to use bottled nutrients I would use AN, because they produce the biggest yields and great quality. When you use other lines like Botanicare or Canna etc.. You arent gonna be able to get the same yields you can with a dialed in grow of AN its just that simple. When they say you can get another 20-25% yield increase with their products or your money back they mean it. As I said wait for next few months when all these runs are done and information is set and AN has the strain specific nutrient recipes everyone with a brain will be going back and running AN.
People are yielding 3 lbs per light with AN. Ou are not going to get those yields with any of those other lines. People used to try and get 2 per light and those days are long gone, thats still a great yield but if you can get an entire extra pound per light well thats all that needs to be said.
Bottom line is if you arent doing something right noone is gonna hate. People hate AN because they have a great marketing team and know how to get their products out to growers and back their shit up. You got a question about growing cannabis you can call them direct and get an answer where other companies will hang phone up the minute you tell them what youre doing and have a question and need help you get the click. Anyone who runs AN and knows how to grow and wants big dog yields of primo meds knows AN is one of the best all the extra shit aside. There are many good line ups on the market to choose from and they will all grow cannabis but its how well and how much that set the great apart from the good.
And I dont even wanna here people come on trying to say that Dynablow and Jacks is better than AN because thats just a crock of shit. People who run those line ups dont know what they are doing and need one bottle or teo bottles so they dont fuck their shit up because they cant figure out how to control their nutrients, ppm and ph properly or how to tweak recipes using these big lines to get huge yields. Noone and I mean noone is using either of those nutrient lines and get anywhere near 2 lbs per light they be lucky to max out at 1.5 if thats a high yielding variety.
Theres a reason why nutrient companies have several bottles of nutrients in their lineup and no it isnt just to make money and con people because thats absolute bs. Anyone who says that doesnt know what they are talking about. You want big dog results you spend big dog money. Cyco, Canna, Green Planet, Dutch Pro and AN and are top tier nutrients the rest fall flat and cant even compete with anything any one of those lines produce and thats a fact period.