Advanced Nutrients B-52. Is it worth the price?

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Exactly what I expected you dont even know how to grow. You still grow AK 47 2 plants in your closet and use dynablow and call yourself an experience cannabis grower. Pathetic
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
Yeah good genetics give you the ability to get big yields but you still need the proper environment and nutrients in order for them to get produce those numbers.

I have never heard of Ionic nutrients so I cant comment on them Im not familiar with their products. But I spoke to you before I believe and I dont believe you get anywhere near those numbers maybe 2 per light if that. Put up some pics of your grow I can tell with 1-2 photos if thats what you are getting for dry weight.

The only people getting 3 lbs per light that I have seen in person no BS are running Current Cultures or dwc or systems of that nature running Gavitas which produce more light output than standard 1000w lights I am using for reference. Coco and peat growers running AN are averaging 2.5 per 1000w from all the feedback I am getting from these new charts and re formulated nutrients that are strain specific (they are not available to the public yet). May be a fee more months until this happens.

And idk why I have to work for AN just because I said their products work. Like I have said a million times dont buy their products I could care less I am just tired of you trolls on here talking shit about AN when they are one of the best nutrients in the world let alone the US. And this is politics and marketing put aside. Yeah the shit that old man did was wrong and he will pay for his crimes but that has nothing to do with their products. I been running Canna for years prior to going back to AN and Canna just doesnt produce the same yields or quality I get running AN and its that simple. The Bio Canna quality is better but you also yield like 10-20% less than you would running the AN and thats not something I am willing to give up to gain a small variance of quality.

My post and information simply is stating that I use AN and get very good results, therefore you cannot say something is BS and snake oil if it produces premium meds and yields. That just makes no sense. And for all you people who are so smart none of you have answered any of my basic questions.

So I will ask them again:
If all nutrients can grow any plant than why would there be different nutrient companies who all use different ratios of nutrients, additives, bacterias etc???

I will be waiting for an educated response although I wont hold my breath because noone ever wants to back things they claim up they just talk and deflect by arguing and name calling instead of having an educated conversation detailing the reasoning for such outlandish claims.

And an educated response does not include saying the nutrients are expensive because thats has nothing to do with the quality of nutrients or what it produces. I want an answer on why you or whoever for that matter is trying to say that AN are not good nutrients who actually have used them, do use them or know someone who uses them in which they know what they are doing and have done runs themselves or seen them in person who can tell me what the problem with their nutrients are because I would love to hear this.
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Dude slow your roll. I have not said one bad thing about advanced. I used to use it. Then switched to CYCO and now use Ionic. I found that it wasn't necessary to use 11 bottles or whatever to get the results.

If you've talked to me before, which I don't remember, then you would know I do not post pictures.
I run solis tek DE, similar to gavitas.
SOG with 25 or 36 plants per light.
Blue dream is the strain, which has so much to do with the yield. I've run forum cut cookies before and never got 2 lbs per light. I give 90% of the credit for yields to genetics.
 
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Gary Goodson said:
and you signed up on Wednesday wtf do you know?
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I lost my old account pw and had sign back up and wtf does it matter how long I have had an account?? Thats even dumber question than the other one. So in order to know how to grow I need to have been an RIU Member for 10 years cmon son thats just stupid statement in general.
 
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Carolina Dream'n said:
Dude slow your roll. I have not said one bad thing about advanced. I used to use it. Then switched to CYCO and now use Ionic. I found that it wasn't necessary to use 11 bottles or whatever to get the results.

If you've talked to me before, which I don't remember, then you would know I do not post pictures.
I run solis tek DE, similar to gavitas.
SOG with 25 or 36 plants per light.
Blue dream is the strain, which has so much to do with the yield. I've run forum cut cookies before and never got 2 lbs per light. I give 90% of the credit for yields to genetics.
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Yeah I got one of the cookie cuts they dont yield for shit thats why the demand and prices stay high for that strain. BD's are one of the higher yielding varieties, I have the DJ short blue moonshine clone only cut been running for a lil while now and its one of the higher yielding strains I grow.

My point was that AN isnt the only company on the market who provides 10+ bottles of nutrients to use so why does everyone attack their nutrients and make ridiculous claims such as they dont work, are over priced and is snake oil when they produce some of the highest thc and highest yielding results out of many of the big nutrient companies around.

Canna is a world class nutrient line and I guarantee and I know for a fact because I used them for years they dont produce the yields AN does and they have 5-6 bottles in their lineup. It doesnt matter how many bottles a nutrient line has its how you use them. One part base nutrients are nice and simple to run like Botanicare, Rock and a few others but they dont produce yields ou get from 2 or 3 part bases. There has been many studies on it and 2-3 part base nutrients out yield one parts every time I have yet to see any results show otherwise.

Genetics are a big part of your results but you gonna tell me that dynagro or jacks is better than what you are running now? You think the 2-3 bottles or dry powders they offer will give you the results you are getting now from the Ionic line? Because I highly doubt you will differ on that... Correct assumption?
 
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Carolina we spoke and had a good convo few months back and you were running cyco from what I recalled and were doing some warehouse grows or something like that I dont remember exactly what you said but it was along those lines.

Either way you think in your honest opinion if you switch over to a one part nutrient like dynagro, jacks or say botanicare etcc you would be pulling down the 3 lbs per light you say gour getting? With no additives or anything??

Is Ionic the big green jugs kind of look like the ones that canna uses?
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
Yeah I got one of the cookie cuts they dont yield for shit thats why the demand and prices stay high for that strain. BD's are one of the higher yielding varieties, I have the DJ short blue moonshine clone only cut been running for a lil while now and its one of the higher yielding strains I grow.

My point was that AN isnt the only company on the market who provides 10+ bottles of nutrients to use so why does everyone attack their nutrients and make ridiculous claims such as they dont work, are over priced and is snake oil when they produce some of the highest thc and highest yielding results out of many of the big nutrient companies around.

Canna is a world class nutrient line and I guarantee and I know for a fact because I used them for years they dont produce the yields AN does and they have 5-6 bottles in their lineup. It doesnt matter how many bottles a nutrient line has its how you use them. One part base nutrients are nice and simple to run like Botanicare, Rock and a few others but they dont produce yields ou get from 2 or 3 part bases. There has been many studies on it and 2-3 part base nutrients out yield one parts every time I have yet to see any results show otherwise.

Genetics are a big part of your results but you gonna tell me that dynagro or jacks is better than what you are running now? You think the 2-3 bottles or dry powders they offer will give you the results you are getting now from the Ionic line? Because I highly doubt you will differ on that... Correct assumption?
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There is no line for Ionic. It's one bottle from start to finish (in my garden, they make a one part grow, a one part bloom and a PK boost.). I am only using the bloom (3-2-6) with one additive called Ersa Elixir from week 2-6 of flower. That's it. Nothing else. The results are great.

I'm experimenting with dry nutrients now. (Hydro-gardens.com special mix, calcium nitrate and magnesium sulfate)They work great, are cheap as shit but are very unstable with ph. Ionic is by far the most ph stable product I have ever used, by a long shot.

I had great results when I used advanced. It was just expensive as hell and very dirty in a Rez. Yields, quality, everything was there, but after trying other lines I soon realized it wasn't worth the money. It works, it's just not for me.
 
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AN you only need to run 6 bottles idk about Cyco I think they are just an AN knockoff in my opinion they take some names from AN and some from Canna and made their own line. That guy used to work for AN and took their recipes and started his own company so I would say its the same deal IMO.

All you need to get good results with AN is a base whichever one you like, big bud (flower booster) , voo doo (root innoculant) overdrive (pk bloom enhancer) bud factor x (terpene and essential oil production), sensizym (enzyme) and bud candy (carbs). Idk what is so bad about that and imo is what anyone needs and would want to give their plants. The other shit they offer is whatever. only other thing I use is great white and an occasional tea of my choosing depending on what part of the grow I am in.

Its pretty simple cut and dry and every nutrient line offers the same type of products. All the companies out there pretty much have 5-10 bottles of products not all of them are needed its just preference.
 
Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
Carolina we spoke and had a good convo few months back and you were running cyco from what I recalled and were doing some warehouse grows or something like that I dont remember exactly what you said but it was along those lines.

Either way you think in your honest opinion if you switch over to a one part nutrient like dynagro, jacks or say botanicare etcc you would be pulling down the 3 lbs per light you say gour getting? With no additives or anything??

Is Ionic the big green jugs kind of look like the ones that canna uses?
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I was probably doing my advanced vs CYCO side by side, or the last run with CYCO.

I stopped using CYCO because it's horrible ph stability. The results were fantastic. But the amount of ph'ing that had to be done was outrageous.

CYCO is just as expensive as advanced, so are a lot of the other multi bottle lineups. I think the difference is the other company's don't try to blow so much smoke up your ass.
 
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Carolina Dream'n said:
I was probably doing my advanced vs CYCO side by side, or the last run with CYCO.

I stopped using CYCO because it's horrible ph stability. The results were fantastic. But the amount of ph'ing that had to be done was outrageous.

CYCO is just as expensive as advanced, so are a lot of the other multi bottle lineups. I think the difference is the other company's don't try to blow so much smoke up your ass.
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See i dont listen to anything any of them say I just use them and see how they work for myself you know. I just cant stand people who say AN is crap and all this shit but never even used the products themselves. And I had the chance to meet Big Mike a few times at events and hes a really good dude who started from nothing and now runs on of the dopest nutrient companies on the planet (cant hate the guy for being a marketing expert and his products work really well) obviously wish they were cheaper but is what it is.

Idk if his book is out but be on look out its called Marijuana Don it his life story and its pretty dope and I think many growers and regular people will be interested in his story. Idk if many people know but he has dyslexia and a learning disability, suffers from severe OCD and depression his whole life and rose to the top, thats inspirational in itself. So I cant hate on anyone who is bout their business you know, hes a hustlers hustler. Anyways, Ill have to look into this Ionic line and check it out I will try anything and I am always looking for the next best thing.

I been running TLO now for past few months and I love it. Been a hard learning curve to get it all down and alot of upfront time and money to start but 6 light runs Im doing now on average only cost me maybe 100$ and I absolutely love the final results. Im not getting the yields I do off the bottled stuff but the quality makes up for the loss yields and my stuff sells out at the dispensaries in hours.
 
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SPLFreak808 said:
To answer post 1
Advanced nutrients is overpriced.
The end.
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AN bases are cheaper than GH, Canna, Cyco, H&G and almost any other name brand nutrient. What is so expensive?

If you buy every damn bottle on the shelf and think you need all of them than it is expensive.

The nutrients themselves are super concentrated and I never run any of the bases over 6ml and the additives at 4-6. Most other nutrient lines run upwards of 20-25 ml. Yeah the total cost upfront is more but the shit lasts 3x longer than the other nutrients you will run. Have you ever even used the nutrients to understand that? Lol
 
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6 lights cost me maybe 600$ around there. So basically it costs me roughly 45$ to produce a lbs thats expensive to you?
 
Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
AN bases are cheaper than GH, Canna, Cyco, H&G and almost any other name brand nutrient. What is so expensive?

If you buy every damn bottle on the shelf and think you need all of them than it is expensive.

The nutrients themselves are super concentrated and I never run any of the bases over 6ml and the additives at 4-6. Most other nutrient lines run upwards of 20-25 ml. Yeah the total cost upfront is more but the shit lasts 3x longer than the other nutrients you will run. Have you ever even used the nutrients to understand that? Lol
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That is simply not true. Connie is the most expensive base nutrient on the market. Over 200 dollars for a gallon of each. That's freaking outrageous. Especially when I was using it around 10-12 ml per gallon, along with big bud and overdrive. Which are expensive as hell.

CYCO bases were 30 a gallon(60 for a gallon of each vs 200). So are house and garden and a few others. I used less of CYCO bases to reach the same EC as advances Connie.
 
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Carolina Dream'n said:
That is simply not true. Connie is the most expensive base nutrient on the market. Over 200 dollars for a gallon of each. That's freaking outrageous. Especially when I was using it around 10-12 ml per gallon, along with big bud and overdrive. Which are expensive as hell.

CYCO bases were 30 a gallon(60 for a gallon of each vs 200). So are house and garden and a few others. I used less of CYCO bases to reach the same EC as advances Connie.
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Huh? AN doesnt sell their bases like that.. They sell them as 2 parts and both bases are 200 for the gallons.

I wasnt referring to the Conni im talking about the 3 part and 2 part bases like jungle juice and sensi.. conni is more expensive but all the others only cost between $50-90

The ph perfect shit is more but I dont like it nor do I trust the PH perfect. I tried the Conni two different times and had ph problems. I like to adjust all of that myself and I prefer the Jungle Juice or Sensi bases which are only like 50$ for a gallon of each and last entire run with some left over. And I never exceed 6 ml even in full bloom.
 
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Canna_Man said:
AN bases are cheaper than GH, Canna, Cyco, H&G and almost any other name brand nutrient. What is so expensive?

If you buy every damn bottle on the shelf and think you need all of them than it is expensive.

The nutrients themselves are super concentrated and I never run any of the bases over 6ml and the additives at 4-6. Most other nutrient lines run upwards of 20-25 ml. Yeah the total cost upfront is more but the shit lasts 3x longer than the other nutrients you will run. Have you ever even used the nutrients to understand that? Lol
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Actually, you've left a few other expensive brands out LOL! Tiger bloom last long as fuck also but STILL not worth the price. Dynagro was pretty good imo and not really expensive but doesnt last long as i found my plants always took full feedings sometimes more! I used to be stuck on AN's line and b52 , i then switched to botanicare with the SAME results then to fully organic water only with the additive of kelp,alfalfa teas/compost tea ect with the SAME damn results! I stopped using bottles when i figured out how to do it cheaper organically.
 
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Bases cost me around 55$ The only thing that is expensive is the voodoo, b52 and bud factor but you dont need to run them the whole time anyways. I dont use the voodoo after week 3 of bloom. I use great white for benes and microbes once per week. The B52 I use week 3-6 only once per week. The Bud Factor X i usually run a little over a gallon per run because I love that ish. Other than that big bud and overdrive arent bad because you split the run in half with them and buying gallons there plenty leftover for next run and I use those 4-6 ml max. So to me 600$ for a run costing me 45$ per lbs is fine w me you know.
 
Carolina Dream'n

Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
Huh? AN doesnt sell their bases like that.. They sell them as 2 parts and both bases are 200 for the gallons.

I wasnt referring to the Conni im talking about the 3 part and 2 part bases like jungle juice and sensi.. conni is more expensive but all the others only cost between $50-90

The ph perfect shit is more but I dont like it nor do I trust the PH perfect. I tried the Conni two different times and had ph problems. I like to adjust all of that myself and I prefer the Jungle Juice or Sensi bases which are only like 50$ for a gallon of each and last entire run with some left over. And I never exceed 6 ml even in full bloom.
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That's exactly what I just said.

A bottle of Connie a and b is 200

A bottle of CYCO bloom a and b is 60.

That price is outrageous. And the sensi isn't much cheaper.
 
Carolina Dream'n

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Canna_Man said:
Bases cost me around 55$ The only thing that is expensive is the voodoo, b52 and bud factor but you dont need to run them the whole time anyways. I dont use the voodoo after week 3 of bloom. I use great white for benes and microbes once per week. The B52 I use week 3-6 only once per week. The Bud Factor X i usually run a little over a gallon per run because I love that ish. Other than that big bud and overdrive arent bad because you split the run in half with them and buying gallons there plenty leftover for next run and I use those 4-6 ml max. So to me 600$ for a run costing me 45$ per lbs is fine w me you know.
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Bud factor x is literally Epsom salt and water. The sulfer is giving you the results you like. You could save yourself a whole lot of money....
 
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Canna_Man said:
Bases cost me around 55$ The only thing that is expensive is the voodoo, b52 and bud factor but you dont need to run them the whole time anyways. I dont use the voodoo after week 3 of bloom. I use great white for benes and microbes once per week. The B52 I use week 3-6 only once per week. The Bud Factor X i usually run a little over a gallon per run because I love that ish. Other than that big bud and overdrive arent bad because you split the run in half with them and buying gallons there plenty leftover for next run and I use those 4-6 ml max. So to me 600$ for a run costing me 45$ per lbs is fine w me you know.
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If you are getting same results with Botanicare and DG and you were with AN than you werent running it correctly. If you read any of my posts from my old acct I lost pw too which was Cannabil. You will see I speak highly of Botanicare and love that product it produces excellent quality meds. But AN blows that out of the water for yields and you can call Botanicare yourself and ask them if they think their products will out yield AN and they will straight up tell you no you will get better quality but lose about 10-20% yield and any rep for their company will tell you that 110% for a fact.

Wait til the new AN charts come out Im doing one of the tests for them right now on chem d and sour d. Its not available to public yet but in next few months it will be coming out and people are getting 2.5-3 per light consistently with these new feeding charts that will be per strain. Then go run it and tell me how you did. And if you dont get what you want and arent satisfied they will refund you your money 1100%
 
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