AeroCloning Problem!?!

cannakis

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I have CloneKing, Temps rise to 80F at most on outside and a keep changing an ice pack every day so it goes to 70-76F in the water. Using roottech cloning gel and and tap water.

But the plants keep wilting after a day of cutting... And they look like death what's my problem!?! Oh yeah under cfls
 
I've found that less is more with lighting for clones. They just don't need much of it. Go to a single bulb, give them time to perk back up, they'll be fine.
 

YesMamNoSir

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That's strange. I can keep a cutting perky in a cup of water for a week before it wilts.

Try using fulvic acid. If they're limp they're trash. Using biog fulpower I have cuttings up and running root wise In fourteen days. Take new cuttings and follow directions.

I soak mine overnight in a cup. Put it in peat moss and never lose a a leaf or a beat. Roots in seven growth in fourteen.
 

hyroot

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Don't use gel. Add a little silica to the resi. Add 15 min timer to the pump. On/off every 15 min. Add an air pump and air stones. Get larger stones. .

Take larger more woody cuts.
 

cannakis

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I've found that less is more with lighting for clones. They just don't need much of it. Go to a single bulb, give them time to perk back up, they'll be fine.
Okay... Even if it's 18" away?
That's strange. I can keep a cutting perky in a cup of water for a week before it wilts.

Try using fulvic acid. If they're limp they're trash. Using biog fulpower I have cuttings up and running root wise In fourteen days. Take new cuttings and follow directions.

I soak mine overnight in a cup. Put it in peat moss and never lose a a leaf or a beat. Roots in seven growth in fourteen.
Fulvic acid!?! Okay... I've got some...
Don't use gel. Add a little silica to the resi. Add 15 min timer to the pump. On/off every 15 min. Add an air pump and air stones. Get larger stones. .

Take larger more woody cuts.
Yeah well I had it on a 1hr on 3hrs off... That's what someone told me on here half a year ago...

So 15 minutes you say... And woody cuts, yes Sir.

What about the Silica? I don't have any... I've got Lots of Sand...?! And why no gel!? Haha I ALWAYS buy stuff I apparently doNt need and doNt buy the stuff I DO NEED!
 

hyroot

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Okay... Even if it's 18" away?

Fulvic acid!?! Okay... I've got some...

Yeah well I had it on a 1hr on 3hrs off... That's what someone told me on here half a year ago...

So 15 minutes you say... And woody cuts, yes Sir.

What about the Silica? I don't have any... I've got Lots of Sand...?! And why no gel!? Haha I ALWAYS buy stuff I apparently doNt need and doNt buy the stuff I DO NEED!

Silica like pro tekt, agsil or supreme growers silica. The gel traps moisture on the stem. It's not necessary at all. 3 hrs off is way too much. Perfect is 1 min on and 3 min off but those timers that can do that are like $80. 15 on 15 off is just fine

My first round was a failure. No timer on pump and no air stones and didn't think of adding ice packs or frozen water bottles at the time. Then I switched it up and have gotten good results since. I treated my cloner as if I was flowering in it minus the nutes. I ran aero kits for all stages 12 years ago.
 

greasemonkeymann

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No not now.. They are just wilted wet loose limp cuttings.
I have close to 100% success rate if I use ONLY distilled water, no clone gel, not even aloe anymore, just water,and run the cloner 24/7. I also have a small aquarium pump with a stone on the end for good measures (probably not needed at all)
I have had the opposite experience of what hyroot recommends, I typically have waaay better success with the greener stems as opposed to the woody ones. Doesn't mean he is incorrect, or that i am right, just means the strain I've had experience with do better with the greener stems.
BUT that's with the EZcloner, when I had the old school dome/water spray bottle method, the woody cuts were more successful, but for me, the ezcloner does better with the greener ones.
When I get cuts, I get a different party cup (a third full of water) for each donor strain, and immediately put them in the cups when I take them off the plant, it's crucial to get them into the water ASAP, and it's crucial to take them from the plant using VERY sharp scissors or even better an exacto knife.
Trim the tips of the leaves to "fit" them in the cloner better, so they don't overlap each other, and only use a single bulb 24w t5.
Anything more than that will stress them and they'll wilt.
Run the cloner 24/7, it doesn't take hardly any electricity, and the constant barrage of the water on the stems/roots decreases rooting time.
Keep the light on at least for 17 hrs. I go with 24, but that's because sometimes I take cuttings from a bunch of flowering moms
 

cannakis

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Thanks guys for real.

My only problem is if run the cloner 24/7 it will raise Water Temperature which is why I switched to the 3o1i...
 

YesMamNoSir

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These are my current clones 8 days in. I've only had two leaves go yellow. I take the cuttings let them sit overnight in fulvic and kelp. the next days I make another cutting on the end of the stem right above the node. Let it sit for 30 seconds in the water after the fresh cut to no allow water embolism. I then put them in peat ( this batch had perlite too) and set them on 4 inches of perlite with about two inches of standing water and the perlite wicks water to the medium for the next ten days. The only thing other than that is put mycos in the soil base and a couple light fulvic foliars if they seem dry or stagnant.
 

cannakis

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I like that... I guess maybe I'm cutting them too small... Like I trimmed up all the leaves Other than the top two Sets of leaves...?
 

YesMamNoSir

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You may have stressed you don't want to cut off more than half of the leaves. That's where the plant is storing everything even the stuff it uses to make rooting hormones.

I would take heartier cuttings and only trim bright green brand new growth by pinch out of the armpit with your fingers. I know cut full grown fan leaves for space. I don't want to cutting rubbing up on each other trapping moisture.

The light was a full spectrum aquarium plant light from walmart 10$. Works perfect. Nothing else.
 

cannakis

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Silica like pro tekt, agsil or supreme growers silica. The gel traps moisture on the stem. It's not necessary at all. 3 hrs off is way too much. Perfect is 1 min on and 3 min off but those timers that can do that are like $80. 15 on 15 off is just fine

My first round was a failure. No timer on pump and no air stones and didn't think of adding ice packs or frozen water bottles at the time. Then I switched it up and have gotten good results since. I treated my cloner as if I was flowering in it minus the nutes. I ran aero kits for all stages 12 years ago.
Thanks Hyroot it was Definitely the gel! Thanks so much!
 

greasemonkeymann

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Thanks guys for real.

My only problem is if run the cloner 24/7 it will raise Water Temperature which is why I switched to the 3o1i...
where are you growing at?
it's been 100+ for the most of this month and I run my cloner all the time, and the cuts have like 90% success.
Did you experience the temps being a problem, or is it a theory?
I say run it 24/7.
I bet it'll pop em in a week or so.
 

cannakis

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where are you growing at?
it's been 100+ for the most of this month and I run my cloner all the time, and the cuts have like 90% success.
Did you experience the temps being a problem, or is it a theory?
I say run it 24/7.
I bet it'll pop em in a week or so.
Haha no I think the Real cause was my room temps were Way too high... Hence water running high... And I had it like enclosed... But I'm going to check again today and hopefully thank you everyone they will be perky and full of life!
 

cannakis

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where are you growing at?
it's been 100+ for the most of this month and I run my cloner all the time, and the cuts have like 90% success.
Did you experience the temps being a problem, or is it a theory?
I say run it 24/7.
I bet it'll pop em in a week or so.
So you run your cloner in close to 100 degree and they clone good?! I still can't get these bastards, though my HVAC is fixed my portable AC is Not it broke Right when my HVAC got fixed of course! So the temps got above 90-100 and they wilted after two days... What Exactly do you do?!
 
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