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Al B. Fuct

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wow........not to bad so far ive spent about 2500 on my op
If you've got 2x 1000HPS in cooltubes, 4 complete and independent flood systems for flowering, a 400HPS and a flood system for the mums and a clonebox with fluoros, heatmat and then timers, blowers and electrics to run it all and then have it all wrapped in a stealthy room that controls scents- and you've done all that for $2500- more power to ya, dood. ;)

are 1000 watters harder to work with for that particular op??
Don't understand what you mean. The 1000 ballasts are pretty fucking heavy (25kg each, eaaaaaaaaaaasy) but aside from that 1000s are no different than any other HPS with a remote ballast.
and is it even possible to duplicate ur op?? hahaha
Well, if I'm doing this right, every last person with an 8' x 9' x 7' space, $3-4000 to kit it up and access to 3500W worth of AC power should be able to carry it off.

hey Al...quick question for ya...I just set up some bubbleponics for my clones...is it really worthwhile?.....
was planning to make a clone setup like this guys https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/64661-homemade-rubbermaid-ez-cloner-pics.html except a lot smaller.is this a good setup?
I've used an aerocloner before and also found that the striking times were inconsistent. Temp stability of the rootzone is critical and hard to maintain in aero and presumably DWC cloning arrangements.

I get 100% strikes in 7-8 days in 40mm rockwool cubes, every single time. RW cubes are fiddly for people who haven't used them before. Details here: https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html Once you work out how to keep the cubes damp and not saturated, you can set your watch by the rooting speed in RW cubes.

i have a 250watt hps already i could use that for clones and mothers.
Set up a clonebox and equip it with fluoros, use the 250 for the mums.

am i on the right track to setting this up or what let me know.
yep, all good so far but ventilation in your closet is going to be a challenge. Build it up and run it with no plants in it and make SURE it can maintain the right temp range. It's a lot easier to fix that with no plants in the op and none to kill if it's wrong!
 

HATCH

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Al B. Fuct,,,Hey What's UP????......Got One Of The Chamber's Finished,,

I Ended Up Getting A Dayton 10" 665cfm Axail To Push, & I Put A 95cfm Active Air Squirrel, To Pull At The End, I Had A Few 90*,,,I Also Added A 465cfm Active Air Squirrel To The Exhaust,,,,,At The Very Top Of The Chamber, After The Light Was On 11-Hour's,,, & The Temp Has Stayed At 85*,,,,,,,,At The Top Of My Areoponic Pod's, The Temp Has Stayed At 79*,,,,,,,It's Amazing What The Cooltube Has Done For The High Temp's I Was Getting,,,Right At 100* In The Top & 97* At The Canopy!!!!!

I Hooked This Light Vertical,,With The Fixture On The Bottom,,,I Can Already Tell The Plant's Are Going To Love It!!!!,,,,,Thank's For The Guidance!!!!!!!!!!!!:mrgreen::blsmoke::peace:

Do You Think It Would Be A Good Idea, For Me To Add CO2?????
If I Add CO2, & The Exhaust To The Chamber Would Need To Be Off, When The CO2 Come's On????,,,,,,,What Temp's Can It Rise To & Be OK????
& I Guess The Intake Would Need To Be Off As Well????
 

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hydrogrower420

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alright man im gonna read up on how you do your clones.seems like you have a surefire way to get clones for the sog.do you have to have a clone box can i set my mothers under 250watt hps and then set clones under fluoros next to it on the same shelf?you know any online stores that sells good vent. parts?what do you need a fan and some ducting for ventalation?im not fimliar with flouros what size and how many i need?
 
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Kaosisglobal

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Light from HPS lamps is emitted mainly perpendicularly to the lamp tube's axis, so we don't care too much about the condition of the end of your reflector. Even in this sad shape, it should cover a 2.5x3.2' area with no trouble.

No. I've said several times that cooltubes should have their own closed air path and own blower- and why... but I'll repeat myself one more time.

If you use the cooltube's blower as the exhaust fan, you can not use a thermostat on it. It has to run all the time the lights are on regardless of the air temp in the room. You will have poor temp stability with a single blower.
So, I guess just pull the good side off, and hang it asap with no sides? Like your DIY Reflector? I'm probably going back to bed, but it will get done today and updated in my journal. I have electric worries as well. I am running an indoor ac in the room to keep things cool. High Temps have been a problem. The AC n HPS may blow the switch. I will let you know later. When the compressor kicks on, it dims the floros now.
 

hybrid

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Al,

Any recommendations on smart switch timers? You know, something that cuts one set of lights off and powers up the others so you could hypotheticaly have 2 seperate flowering chambers on one ac line?

Light set "A" runs 9pm to 9am and at 9am the switch flips "A" off but immediately swithes set "B" on to run from 9am to 9pm?

I know there is a device that does it but its super spendy. While it is really cool in the fact that it is really nothing more than a super smart lamp cord splitter. It runs one ballast for every 2 lights, effectively never letting the ballast turn off.

No massive draws of juice for umpteen ballasts and no real signature of regular "suspicious" draws.

Its 700 bucks though............maybe you know of something similiar but not so spendy?
 

BigBudBalls

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Hook a DPDT relay to your timer. Let the timer power the relay.
Lamp A gets connected to the NC terminals, lamp b gets the NO terminals and the COM are the power in from the ballast. The coil gets powered from the timer (120/230VAC coil depending on where you are at)

Al,

Any recommendations on smart switch timers? You know, something that cuts one set of lights off and powers up the others so you could hypotheticaly have 2 seperate flowering chambers on one ac line?

Light set "A" runs 9pm to 9am and at 9am the switch flips "A" off but immediately swithes set "B" on to run from 9am to 9pm?

I know there is a device that does it but its super spendy. While it is really cool in the fact that it is really nothing more than a super smart lamp cord splitter. It runs one ballast for every 2 lights, effectively never letting the ballast turn off.

No massive draws of juice for umpteen ballasts and no real signature of regular "suspicious" draws.

Its 700 bucks though............maybe you know of something similiar but not so spendy?
 

bigal10

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so al I want to give my clones and res. h202 50% hort. grade but for some reason they were pulled off the shelves of every hydro shop in california what should I do cant find it anywhere. How do I use the 3% from walmart. All Im feeding my clones is water @5.0 ph with 2 teaspoons of compost tea for every gallon. Help.:confused: Oh I live on a property that has its own well.
 

BCnative

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so al i was lookin over this figured id give u a stalk since u posted such an arrogant comment in wat was apparently a joke thread just trying to get some attention and im seein somethin im interested in i just bought me a 400 w hps ballast bulb n socket n i got 2 questions for ya since ya seem to know wat ur talkin about im wonderin how hot does that cool tube get (thhinkin about gettin one) and do you know wat i could do to wire this ballast? i bought it and it just the capacitor ignitor and the heavy ass metal box all wired together no case or anythin so like any advice?
 

Al B. Fuct

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It's Amazing What The Cooltube Has Done For The High Temp's I Was Getting,,,Right At 100* In The Top & 97* At The Canopy!!!!!
Great to hear it. :) Cooltubes are highly effective. If you put enough air through them to keep the cooltube's glass cold, they're doing their job. Downside is the cooltube blowers have to run at all times when lights are on, adding to the general grow-op noise pollution. If your cooltube blower/s make too much nose, get a motor speed controller and slow them down a little. A blower running at 80% of max speed may make 50% less noise but still be shifting enough air to get the job done.
I Hooked This Light Vertical,,With The Fixture On The Bottom,,,I Can Already Tell The Plant's Are Going To Love It!!!!
It'll be interesting to see how that works out. Like I said before, light will be strongest when it doesn't have to bounce off a reflector first to get to the leaves. You've made a direct path to plants which can surround this vertical lamp.

However, SoG ops deliberately grow short plants which don't normally need side lighting. SoG tailors plants to suit the foliar penetration available from overhead lighting, even though quite a lot is coming via a bounce off the reflector.

I will be interested to see how you tailor your plants to the lighting you've set up.

Do You Think It Would Be A Good Idea, For Me To Add CO2?????
If I Add CO2, & The Exhaust To The Chamber Would Need To Be Off, When The CO2 Come's On????,,,,,,,What Temp's Can It Rise To & Be OK????
& I Guess The Intake Would Need To Be Off As Well????
CO2 is only worth doing if done right- and it's not cheap. You'll need a tank & regulator for starters, but the magic happens with a proper, modern CO2 sensor & applicator device (controller). These controllers have a sensor which measures the CO2 content in the air, valving which can turn gas flow on and off and electrical outlets for fans and/or aircon units. All of the exhaust fan management is done automagically by such units. There's several makers of these controllers, but all of them cost a MOTZA. Most I've seen are $1000-2000 or more. CO2 equipped ops should run at 29C max.

The nut is that they are the very best at holding your room at 1500ppm, replacing gas when exhaust blowers must run and only applying gas duing lights on. These automated controllers cost a lot going in but they are the surest way of getting the best benefit from the gas and will cut your CO2 refill costs to the minimum.

You can get simpler tank-based systems which apply gas via timer settings but don't sense the level. If the blowers have run, the gas is gone and the 'dumb' controller doesn't know to add more.

Combustion-based CO2 generators (LP or natural gas, some alcohol burners) are usually not suitable for small ops due to the amount of heat they make. Their operation alone will trigger exhaust blowers. Aircon will keep the gas in the room but cost you a packet for the aircon to shift the combution generator's heat outside. Combusters work best in glasshouses or large warehouse grows.

Chemical reaction (yeast/sugar, vinegar/baking soda) CO2 generators are simply not worth fiddling around with. You don't know how much gas they make and control of gas concentration is impossible.

Have fun. :)

do you have to have a clone box
Oh yeah. Clones need very tight, stable temp control to give you reliable and predictable rooting times. They also need to be kept warmer than the mother plants. Mums should run 24-26C. The clonebox should be 28-30C with a 30C heat mat.

you know any online stores that sells good vent. parts?
Hardware stores seem to be as good an option as any. I'm not well placed to make recommendations unless you're in Australia.

what do you need a fan and some ducting for ventalation?
im not fimliar with flouros what size and how many i need?
For the clonebox, which should be around the size of a 2-drawer business filing cabinet, an 80-100mm fan up high on the wall or on the top will do. You'll need a thermostat set for 30C which can directly switch your line voltage to the fan.




The clonebox will need a screened cool air intake hole placed down low, which you can partly or mostly cover up when ambient temps get cool. I use traditional 24" (18W) fluoros in my clonebox- there's 3 twin-tube fixtures hanging by open-link chain from the ceiling of the clonebox. You could alternatively put a few lamp sockets on a piece of timber and put perhaps 4x large CFLs in them and hang that above the plant area.

So, I guess just pull the good side off, and hang it asap with no sides? Like your DIY Reflector? I'm probably going back to bed, but it will get done today and updated in my journal. I have electric worries as well. I am running an indoor ac in the room to keep things cool. High Temps have been a problem. The AC n HPS may blow the switch. I will let you know later. When the compressor kicks on, it dims the floros now.
I don't think I'd worry about removing the other end bit on your reflector. Might make it easier for you to bend the reflector to get the light best distributed, tho.

I would expect lights on the same circuit to flicker when an aircon compressor starts. Just make sure you are using only HD rated extension leads if any are needed and that you are not exceeding the current rating of the power outlet you're using to run the grow.

Hey Al, quick other question. I'm sure you are familiar with HTG Supply.com What do you think of their cool tube?
Cooltubes is cooltubes. 150mm glass tube, aluminium collars on either end for duct fitting. Shop for the best price for the size you want, lengths vary from 300-800mm (long ones for 2 tubes) but most all are 150mm (6") dia.

Al,

Any recommendations on smart switch timers?

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It runs one ballast for every 2 lights, effectively never letting the ballast turn off.

No massive draws of juice for umpteen ballasts and no real signature of regular "suspicious" draws.
I can't see the advantage of attempting to run 2 lights off one ballast. The 'massive draws' you suggest are about 50% over running current for about 15 sec while the arc is striking. The cost of one ballast per lamp is a lot less than a $700 high current, fast switch for the globe side of the ballast.

Power companies don't have the ability to peer down your power line to see the load changes you suggest, unless you have a 'smart' digital kWh meter which can record usage patterns and then be queried remotely. If you have Ye Olde Glasse Jarre power meter with spinning disc, the only information the pwr co has is how many kWh you've used since the last meter reading.

so al I want to give my clones and res. h202 50% hort. grade but for some reason they were pulled off the shelves of every hydro shop in california what should I do cant find it anywhere. How do I use the 3% from walmart. All Im feeding my clones is water @5.0 ph with 2 teaspoons of compost tea for every gallon. Help.:confused: Oh I live on a property that has its own well.
I'm not in California so I can't help you with why H2O2 would have been withdrawn from sale. I'd shop around a bit to confirm or deny that info. It sounds a bit unlikely. H2O2 is a hazardous chemical but poses no environmental risks, which is the usual reason stuff gets banned in Cowlifornia.

You may have to order it online, but many shippers won't transport hazchems. Postal services usually don't, couriers usually do.

You can use 3% pharmacy grade H2O2 at 17ml/litre of nutrient. If you have a large tank of nutes to treat, this get excessive pretty quickly.

However, I'm not sure I'd use H2O2 with organic nutrients like compost tea. I bet it foams a lot when you add the H2O2- that's what it does when it contacts organic waste matter or simple microorganisms/pathogens.
 

Al B. Fuct

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What wazzat? A little louder, can't hear you.

You got on my ignore list for bad forum citizenship.

If you stand on one foot and sing the ♫♫ 'I'm Very Very Sorry' ♫♫ song and promise never again to post threads with a deceptive title just to get some attention (as you did), I may take you off the list. Or, I may not. Depends on wot colour socks I'm wearing.
 

Kaosisglobal

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Cool Al, I'll keep you up to date. Nothing but water added today. I need to get out to the hardware store or dro shop to get eye hooks or yo yos
 

bigal10

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K thank you, but I have seriously have called more than 10 shops and they all said the same. Should I not add the compost tea to my water when feeding my clones? Also I have attached some pics so you can take a look at my problem. I bought the following clones from my medical dispensary black domina, black widow, white widow, purple kush, mazar and og kush. I am going to grow a mother of each and decide which strain I prefer out of all of them. I am currently using Coco, flora nova veg, compost tea, ph @5.7 with a ppm reading of 1000 for my mothers. Should I lower my nutrients on the ebb and flow table for my mothers. Also when I first started I presoaked the cubes in in flora nova veg @ ph 6.0 and a ppm reading of 600, which was probably a huge mistake. I also fedding them nutrients 2 days later for the first time and the black widow (attachment 217) began turning yellow and got black dots on it :cry:. Then, I just switched to ph water @ 5.0 with compost tea to feed my clones and no nutrients till I put them on the ebb and flow table.The other pic of clones have only been feeding water @5.0ph with 2 teaspoons of compost tea for every gallon. Can you get an idea of what I should do by my pics? Thank you!
 

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I can't see the advantage of attempting to run 2 lights off one ballast. The 'massive draws' you suggest are about 50% over running current for about 15 sec while the arc is striking. The cost of one ballast per lamp is a lot less than a $700 high current, fast switch for the globe side of the ballast.

Power companies don't have the ability to peer down your power line to see the load changes you suggest, unless you have a 'smart' digital kWh meter which can record usage patterns and then be queried remotely. If you have Ye Olde Glasse Jarre power meter with spinning disc, the only information the pwr co has is how many kWh you've used since the last meter reading.
Its not so much the idea of the power company so much as the idea of being able to use one socket (line voltage) to run the two setups side by side. That being said, the recommendation for a switch that will handle flipping the setups is what I need to figure out.

If you know an easy way to do a flip flop for lights, please fire away. I dont want to reinvent the wheel and start wiring up all kinds of stuff. I know electricity but Im not an electrician and burning down houses is kind of lame. For most people I assume anyways.
 

Al B. Fuct

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K thank you, but I have seriously have called more than 10 shops and they all said the same.
Wow, that's wild. Would like to find out more about that. Let me know if you find out what's going on.

Should I not add the compost tea to my water when feeding my clones?
H2O2 can break down organic nutrients. My note was intended to caution against use of H2O2 with organic nutrients.

Also I have attached some pics so you can take a look at my problem.
The plants in the big RW blocks with yellowing leaf margins and droopy leaves look like they're being overwatered. These should be flooded only 1x/day for just a couple of minutes.

Should I lower my nutrients on the ebb and flow table for my mothers. Also when I first started I presoaked the cubes in in flora nova veg @ ph 6.0 and a ppm reading of 600, which was probably a huge mistake.
RW cube presoaking solution should be 5.0 and no nutes for 24h before plugging stems in them. This soln must be drained as fully as possible before plugging in the cuttings. Clone watering soln should be 5.8 and no noots til they have roots.

I also fedding them nutrients 2 days later for the first time and the black widow (attachment 217) began turning yellow and got black dots on it :cry:. Then, I just switched to ph water @ 5.0 with compost tea to feed my clones and no nutrients till I put them on the ebb and flow table.The other pic of clones have only been feeding water @5.0ph with 2 teaspoons of compost tea for every gallon. Can you get an idea of what I should do by my pics? Thank you!
5.0 is way too low. You will be locking out nutrients below 5.5. Run them at 5.8.

Its not so much the idea of the power company so much as the idea of being able to use one socket (line voltage) to run the two setups side by side.
Why not just add another line voltage socket and use 1 ballast for each lamp?

If you know an easy way to do a flip flop for lights, please fire away. I dont want to reinvent the wheel and start wiring up all kinds of stuff.
You're reinventing the wheel with some sort of switch. It's not only unnecessary but creates a failure point. High currents and switching devices must be mixed with great care (and very expensive contactors). Just use one ballast per lamp, each on their own power point and the job's done with no switching device to fail- problem solved... and other problems prevented. I absolutely don't see the point of buying a $700 switch to avoid using a $100 ballast and/or adding a $5 power outlet. Sorry, but this is silly.
 
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