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Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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epoplive said:
It's a drip system, not a flood system, but the drip is constant...i figured that was fine since there was no rockwool and the hydroton doesnt hold much water. What would you suggest for a watering schedule?
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Agreed, I would also have expected that with pellets and no RW, a continuous drip would probably be OK. However, these plants are not tolerating it, might be due to their small size and thus small rootmasses.

If it's not overwatering, it could also be root damage or disease. Are you using H2O2 in your nutes?

In the short term, back off the watering to 5mins/hr.
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

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Hydroguard is an enzymatic cleaner. It's often used with organic grows. It is protein based, providing enzymes which break down certain compounds.

I very frequently hear about grows with root problems which Hydroguard doesn't fix but H2O2 does. Hydroguard is not compatible with H2O2. H2O2 will instantly nuke the proteins in any enzymatic agent.

H2O2 is not compatible with organic nutes. If you're using organic nutes, switch to an inorganic nutrient and then use H2O2 50% grade at 1ml/L, reapplied every 3-4 days.
 
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yeah, definately not using organic nutes. when you say it's not compatible, you mean it will just basically render the hydroguard inactive but the h2o2 will still protect the roots right? wish i hand't just stocked up on a giant bottle of the hydroguard, lol.

thanks for all your help al, much appreciated!
 
fitzyno1

fitzyno1

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Al, i don't know about you or others, but it takes me forever to get into this thread of yours. Is it my computer, or does anyone else find it takes long?
 
NLXSK1

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epoplive said:
yeah, definately not using organic nutes. when you say it's not compatible, you mean it will just basically render the hydroguard inactive but the h2o2 will still protect the roots right? wish i hand't just stocked up on a giant bottle of the hydroguard, lol.

thanks for all your help al, much appreciated!
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What will happen is that the H2O2 solution will attempt to break down the organics but be overwhelmed by the sheer volume.

Thus the H202 will be neutrilized and provide no protection for the roots.

If you want to use H202 you cannot be using organic nutrients or an organic medium.
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
fitzyno1 said:
Al, i don't know about you or others, but it takes me forever to get into this thread of yours. Is it my computer, or does anyone else find it takes long?
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It's not the thread, it is RIU itself running waaaaaaaaaaaay slow, has been for the last 6h. I've tried to ping rollitup.org a couple of times, sometimes it just times out completely:

Microsoft(R) Windows DOS
(C)Copyright Microsoft Corp 1990-2001.

C:\>ping rollitup.org

Pinging rollitup.org [67.220.198.70] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 67.220.198.70:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
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It's taking me several minutes to open each post.

I'm giving up until tomorrow, hopefully admin has it sorted by then.
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
NLXSK1 said:
What will happen is that the H2O2 solution will attempt to break down the organics but be overwhelmed by the sheer volume.

Thus the H202 will be neutrilized and provide no protection for the roots.

If you want to use H202 you cannot be using organic nutrients or an organic medium.
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yeah, wot 'e said. :)
 
HATCH

HATCH

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Hey Al B. What's Up???,,,Was At The Hydro-Store The Last Week,,,They Have Taken The Botanicare HydroGaurd Off The Shelves, & The Government Is Taking The 35% H2O2 Off The Shelves,,& You Will Have To Have A Chemical License Just To Get It,,,Don't Know About Down Under???~~~But Here In The State's They Are Getting Strick With Everything!!!\

:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Hydroguard doesn't work terribly well from what I can divine from commentary on here, so no great loss there.

I have heard from one California RIU poster that they could not get H2O2, that it was being withdrawn from sale. On the same day, I was able to find 4 hydro shops in LA that had 35% H2O2 on the shelf (at reasonably good prices too, I might add). A couple weeks later, I was contacted by a UK RIU poster who said that H2O2 was not available in the UK due to its potential use in the manufacture of the highly unstable but homebrewable explosive, TATP (triacetone triperoxide). A week later, another RIU user found her some 50% H2O2 in the UK, and that shop's mgt had no plans to remove it from sale.

I don't know WTF is going on, lots of rumours about the stuff being pulled off shelves. I have no idea why these rumours are happening, but everyone I know who has had problems getting H2O2 from some places has managed to find it elsewhere with a little diligent shopping.

BTw, what's a 'chemical license' and how do you get one?
 
fitzyno1

fitzyno1

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Al, with this RIU running very slow, i couldn't be bothered looking a post which you said, 'not to us a dimmer switch for an extractor fan'. Why, and what is the difference in a dimmer switch and a fan controller? I use a dimmer switch for my 16" oscillating fan.
 
HATCH

HATCH

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Al B. Fuct said:
Hydroguard doesn't work terribly well from what I can divine from commentary on here, so no great loss there.

I have heard from one California RIU poster that they could not get H2O2, that it was being withdrawn from sale. On the same day, I was able to find 4 hydro shops in LA that had 35% H2O2 on the shelf (at reasonably good prices too, I might add). A couple weeks later, I was contacted by a UK RIU poster who said that H2O2 was not available in the UK due to its potential use in the manufacture of the highly unstable but homebrewable explosive, TATP (triacetone triperoxide). A week later, another RIU user found her some 50% H2O2 in the UK, and that shop's mgt had no plans to remove it from sale.

I don't know WTF is going on, lots of rumours about the stuff being pulled off shelves. I have no idea why these rumours are happening, but everyone I know who has had problems getting H2O2 from some places has managed to find it elsewhere with a little diligent shopping.

BTw, what's a 'chemical license' and how do you get one?
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A Chemical Application License, Is What You Have To Have To Do Commercial Fertilizing Or Pesticides...As Far As Getting One???...I'm Sure You Can Get A Packet From A University, Fertilizer Or Pesticide Company To Study,,,& I'm Sure They Could Tell You When The Testing Is Going On & Where???

You Probably Already Have One???,,& Are Just Fucking With Me???EH????
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Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
fitzyno1 said:
Al, with this RIU running very slow, i couldn't be bothered looking a post which you said, 'not to us a dimmer switch for an extractor fan'. Why, and what is the difference in a dimmer switch and a fan controller? I use a dimmer switch for my 16" oscillating fan.
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Dimmers for incandescent lighting are not suitable for inductive loads, only resistive loads like... well, incandescent lighting. Motor speed controllers can throttle back a motor AND can work as a light dimmer.

I don't know how you are getting a dimmer to work on a motor; usually what happens when a dimmer is used as such is that the motor stalls when the dimmer is dialed down from max speed.

HATCH said:
A Chemical Application License, Is What You Have To Have To Do Commercial Fertilizing Or Pesticides...

[...]

You Probably Already Have One???,,& Are Just Fucking With Me???EH????
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Admittedly, I haven't lived in the US in >10 years, but I've never heard of anything like that before, even while I was living there.

There's no such thing in Aus, to the best of my knowledge.
 
fitzyno1

fitzyno1

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Yeah Al, the lowest speed on my oscillating fan was too fast in my growroom, so i've been using this little dimmer here to run my oscillating fan (for around a month now), it has never let me down. I can reduce speed until it slows to a stop.
I run my extraction fan on a timer for 5 minutes every half hour. But i was contemplating getting another one of these dimmers to run my 100mm extraction (carbon filter) fan, constantly on very low. I think the fan controllers are very expensive. I don't have a fan for the intake to my growroom, its passively coming in through a larger 150mm ducting from outside The plug for the extraction fan is in attic, if sometime i get of my lazy arse, i'll climb into the attic and test the dimmer that i already have to see if it works.
 
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High Al, Dugout here see been doing some investigation on other threads and I found this one. I am on pg. 4 right know but had a quick question since you said this is kind of an open farm I figured I would ask. You know me your royal pain in the ass. Anyway I have 2 seedlings going one is about 2 to 3" tall and I found an old heating pad just regular not a horticultural brand and I have it on low and under flouresent light over kitchen sink. I was just wondering how long does it take to see second set of leaves. I have the first 2 leaves and have been on about 2 days how long does it take to see second leaf set to start. really I am wanting to know how long before transfering to hydro unit. I have cut the water off of my plant that is growing and will pull in 2 days to cure so then I will sterilize everything clean grow room and transfer when appropriate. Now if that isn't a newbie question I don't know what is. Peace and out bro. The Ole Hippy DUGOUT
 
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Hey zen master wipe your nose I see a little brown showing up. (ha ha ha) couldn't resist was to easy. I have a problem my 2 year old called the FBI about my grow and they said she was full of shit I checked the diaper but she was fine. 50,000 comedians out of work and you guys are stuck with me PEACE DUGOUT
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
fitzyno1 said:
Yeah Al, the lowest speed on my oscillating fan was too fast in my growroom, so i've been using this little dimmer here to run my oscillating fan (for around a month now), it has never let me down. I can reduce speed until it slows to a stop.
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That's really pretty unusual that you can get a dimmer to work as a motor speed controller. Your dimmer is clearly different than those I have encountered in the US & Australia.

Dimmers which I have tried to use on motors tend to be able to start the motor and run it at about 60-80% normal speed, but when the control is dialled down even a little bit off the max setting, the motor stalls.

Some light dimmers may work to control a (brushless AC) motor if you parallel an incandescent lamp with the motor.

Now you have me off on the hunt for schematics, looking for the differences between the two circuits. I haven't found the info I want quite yet, but here's a couple of samples:

super simple dimmer

AC motor speed controller

They're broadly similar as you can see from the schematics.

This doc goes into some detail about applying a light dimmer control IC as a MSC by limiting the firing angle of the triac. This could be the difference between the dimmer you have and those I have played with in the past.

Now I'm curious... more as I find it.
 
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A Chemical Application License, Is What You Have To Have To Do Commercial Fertilizing Or Pesticides...As Far As Getting One???...I'm Sure You Can Get A Packet From A University, Fertilizer Or Pesticide Company To Study,,,& I'm Sure They Could Tell You When The Testing Is Going On & Where???
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Chem Ap Licenses are easy to obtain.

Check with your State Dept of Ag. Tell them you want to sit for the next available test in your area and you want to purchase the study materials from them or on their website. These are given 2-4x/yr in most metro areas and are most commonly used by them bug guys, commercial turf and landscape companies as well as for commercial hrt/floriculture and ag business'. I still have mine from 15 yrs ago and you must take a couple hrs a yr of continuing education to maintain it. Although i heard about hydroguard being recalled but have not had any probs sourcing the 35% in the southeast--not needed my license either-I did recently discover you need a Pharmacists License where I am to purchase 50% (at least at lab/med supply wherehouses).

It may be worth getting your license anyway--you will find the pest section of the course invaluable.

-OitW
 
Al B. Fuct

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Dugout said:
You know me your royal pain in the ass.
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That's not my opinion of you.

Anyway I have 2 seedlings going one is about 2 to 3" tall and I found an old heating pad just regular not a horticultural brand
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Use care that your heating pad does not exceed 30C.
and I have it on low and under flouresent light over kitchen sink. I was just wondering how long does it take to see second set of leaves.
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Depends on a number of factors, mainly how much light you're throwing at it and to some degree the strain itself.

I am wanting to know how long before transfering to hydro unit.
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When the plants have a decent spray of roots, they can be introduced to an automated watering system.




Dugout said:
Hey zen master wipe your nose I see a little brown showing up.
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umm, WTF are you talking about?
 
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