Alternative to fox farm that's available in Australia?????

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Ryante55

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MadFlavour said:
Wow real talk! I'm kidding myself if I think my 1st grow will be 100% what I expect. But 2 years.. ouch I hope I can stand on the shoulders of people like you and scoop the hot tips. The dream is 1 pound per grow in a 4 x 4.
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Problem is if you have a bad grow that's a few hundred down the drain and a bunch of time so next grow you gotta make up the losses. You should be able to hit your 1lb goal. but growing is more disappointment than anything when your learning haha
 
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MadFlavour

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I'm just going to get a seedling soil https://www.bunnings.com.au/osmocote-10l-seed-cutting-potting-mix_p3020058 and little jiffy pots and get started, the confusion and hesitation is killing me. Gives me more time to mull over soil advice and instructions and find all the parts. Probably just order the Easy As Organics bag if they have any stock.. and the fact I haven't even started the seeds yet I can just get a seedling mix and have more time to suss the main grow soil
 
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All13

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MadFlavour said:
Another Aussie here, frustrated with either everyone just saying 'Fox Farms' or spelling out some super weird recipe that is all greek to a beginner. I've spent hours trying to research it as a noob. I just want a soil I can go buy and start with in a tent grow, some people will say just grab a bag of premium Osmocote from Bunnings. Then others will shoot that idea down as stupid, you don't want any 'NPK soils'.
Then the 'coco' suggestions come in. In threads that ask what SOIL in a indoor grow is needed.. huh that isn't soil? So now we are growing hydro yeah? Which everyone says is way harder for a beginner, just do a soil 1st grow, you don;t need to worry as much about ph of water.. so then the loop starts again.. what soil? Fox Farms!
Then others say get a 'living soil' that only need water. But then others will say no they actually add nutes to that water in living soil grows. Huh? That living soil in Australia is (a) crazy expensive (b) always stocked in some middle of nowhere location and (c) out of stock everywhere.
All I want is a step by step Australian based guide as to what soil to get for a 4x4 tent grow under LED, where to buy it, and not using strange terms like 'guano' or 'lifter' like a beginner knows what the heck they are (I know it's a lot to learn but I can't even pin down what to buy and not make a mistake that rears it's head in 4 months).
I thought the light choice was hard to pin down through a sea of opinion and sponsored posts but this basic thing - soil and where to get it in my area, super frustrating especially now I have all the other kit ready.
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mate just grow with coco cior with pearl light i did my first grow and i like advance nutrients as they are already ph,d no need for ph pen or reader pretty hard to get it wrong and coco is forgiving
 
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All13

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go coco coir and pearl with advance nutrients you want go wrong trust me i got my pound on first grow in 4x4 with coco coir with pearl and advance nutrient for beginners easy as
 
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Aussienewb

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This thread has been helpful. I too seem to be having soil issues.
I'd been recommended Scott's premium osmocote potting mix and a bucket load of ingredients even though they already appear to be in the potting mix....
*trace elements
*thrive
*potash
*gogo juice
When added to the plants, first of all I had leaves curling up and Browning, now they have the claw....
Not too mention the bugs flying outta the soil(I have used neem oil and they're slowly dying out)
 
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Mac198

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MadFlavour said:
Another Aussie here, frustrated with either everyone just saying 'Fox Farms' or spelling out some super weird recipe that is all greek to a beginner. I've spent hours trying to research it as a noob. I just want a soil I can go buy and start with in a tent grow, some people will say just grab a bag of premium Osmocote from Bunnings. Then others will shoot that idea down as stupid, you don't want any 'NPK soils'.
Then the 'coco' suggestions come in. In threads that ask what SOIL in a indoor grow is needed.. huh that isn't soil? So now we are growing hydro yeah? Which everyone says is way harder for a beginner, just do a soil 1st grow, you don;t need to worry as much about ph of water.. so then the loop starts again.. what soil? Fox Farms!
Then others say get a 'living soil' that only need water. But then others will say no they actually add nutes to that water in living soil grows. Huh? That living soil in Australia is (a) crazy expensive (b) always stocked in some middle of nowhere location and (c) out of stock everywhere.
All I want is a step by step Australian based guide as to what soil to get for a 4x4 tent grow under LED, where to buy it, and not using strange terms like 'guano' or 'lifter' like a beginner knows what the heck they are (I know it's a lot to learn but I can't even pin down what to buy and not make a mistake that rears it's head in 4 months).
I thought the light choice was hard to pin down through a sea of opinion and sponsored posts but this basic thing - soil and where to get it in my area, super frustrating especially now I have all the other kit ready.
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Mac198

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MadFlavour said:
None of this makes sense to me being a noob. Who is my landscape guy? EDIT: I think you might be replying to the OP who mentioned a landscape guy, my bad.
If you can drop a link to a real world product it may make more sense.. but I have no idea what you mean.
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Hey mad flavour I’m Aussie newb to got all my set up & just received seeds today I tried coco & failed misreble anyway not gonna give up I’m also looking at Easy As Organics who did you go with cheers mate
 
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boondi

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Just for anyone else reading.. If you use 'easy as organics' you need to be using like 50 ltr pots for it to be 100% effective can use 25 but not optimal. Im in the same boat i settled on the turbo dirt/root roid/fruid roid as i want to use 11ltr pots ( i think thatll be right to use? Correct me if not) but theyre not in stock atm , 3rd option was the canna terra pro range im pretty sure its a peat based potting mix and the vega and floras nutrients to use with it
 
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MadFlavour

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3 months in and I just can't get any decent growth in soil in my tent until this last week.
On to my 3rd round of seedlings, but they all kept dying at about 5cm high. Yellow leaves, then they dry out and wilt. Tried more watering, less watering, letting them go without for periods, Tried LED, Tried MH. MH is a bit better as I think the heat helps (none of the pro LED people tell you lack of heat may actually be a PROBLEM).. the extra heat and adding more air flow in the last week has seen my best results but it still so damn slow and uninspiring. My mate has the same strain, tent, lights and soil (except he mixed through his compost whereas all I could do was put it on top of the seedling potting mix I used) and he has amazing plants he just put to flower, I started a month before him and I got nothing but climbing power bills to show for it.
The soil seems crap but my mate says 'it's a living soil, its fine' he gave me some home made compost to put on the top of my potted soils but it's still not doing anything except now I seem to have a lot of creatures in my soil..
I dunno do I just keep going, with just water? Doesn't feel right to not be giving the plants anything but water. Do I add nutes at some point, is that why they keep dying? My mate just watered and later on used 'thrive' powder and his compost, thats it.
All I am trying to do now is get the fundamentals right, and I'm slowly starting to see some growth more like what I've read it should be when I worry about these

Keep the temp between 20-25 degree Celsius (SF2000 LED wasn't warm enough so got a 400W batwing MH) - TICK
Keep the air flow and fresh air into tent constant (wasn't doing this before, just had a internal blow fan that wasn't getting new air in / old air old) - TICK
Keep the Humidity above 70% - seem to struggle with this, so have just got a humidifier with hygrometer for the tent, coming in a few days

Apart from that, how much do I need to worry about the ph of my water going in to the soil? Half people say check it, but I don't know if I got a crap ph meter but everything I test (tank water or tap) seems high - tank water 8.5 and tap water high 7's - I think I probably need some ph down.

If after ph and humidity is ticked and it's still struggling, I'm thinking of trying a coco attempt.. but thankfully this latest soil attempt has been improving.
 
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MadFlavour

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Mac198 said:
Hey mad flavour I’m Aussie newb to got all my set up & just received seeds today I tried coco & failed misreble anyway not gonna give up I’m also looking at Easy As Organics who did you go with cheers mate
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I didn't go full organic, just a Osmocote seedling mix with some compost added. Not sure if it's been one of my issues.. but anyway there was a place I called and they said they have it and could ship it anywhere in Sydney.. it was pretty expensive
Accent Hydroponics
Address: 1/LOT 5 Clerke Pl, Kurnell NSW 2231
Phone: (02) 9668 9577
Web: accenthydroponics.com
 
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MadFlavour

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boondi said:
Just for anyone else reading.. If you use 'easy as organics' you need to be using like 50 ltr pots for it to be 100% effective can use 25 but not optimal. Im in the same boat i settled on the turbo dirt/root roid/fruid roid as i want to use 11ltr pots ( i think thatll be right to use? Correct me if not) but theyre not in stock atm , 3rd option was the canna terra pro range im pretty sure its a peat based potting mix and the vega and floras nutrients to use with it
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WOW 50 litres - thats two bags at what i think is 50 AUD a pop. One plant per pot? Kind of blows out the savings of no nutes.
I think Canna Terra is I'll be trying next, a mate recently admitted he wished someone told him to do it earlier, he's never had better results and so much easier than soil. I've seen his setup and it's amazing, he sold me on Canna Terra
 
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boondi

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MadFlavour said:
WOW 50 litres - thats two bags at what i think is 50 AUD a pop. One plant per pot? Kind of blows out the savings of no nutes.
I think Canna Terra is I'll be trying next, a mate recently admitted he wished someone told him to do it earlier, he's never had better results and so much easier than soil. I've seen his setup and it's amazing, he sold me on Canna Terra
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Yea 50ltr is too big for me too. I think either way you go its all gonna add up man, if you want the good stuff ya gotta pay the good $$ unfortunately. I ended up finding some turbo dirt so probably gonna give that way a go, au natural. Good luck bro
 
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Krakore

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I feel like you can give this dude the best info hes still gonna not get it and compare and argue with shit theyvreadvor old mate told them. Learn thevold school way trial and error or learn the new school way on youtube lol
 
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Holla4me

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ozzyfullnewbie said:
hey guys, I'm in Aus and completely new to this, I've heard nothing but use fox farm!!

But unfortunately you can't get it here :( only online and it's like a hundred bucks shipping, so I was wondering if anyone on here is in Australia or knows of someone in Australia and could tell me what products and or brands to look at, ANYTHING is helpful to me as I have never done this before. (My autoflower so are one week in so kinda in a hurry)

Cheers


P.S my local landscape supply guys only have two types of organic soil and they are loam with chicken manure and loam with mushroom compost, does anyone know which may be better if I can't get any other info??
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Mate. Chill. You’re getting all stressed and over thinking. Do the same. If you went to Bunnings and got some Searles potting mix premium. Add 30% pearlite to give a airy mix. Helps the roots. It’s good for Photos. A little Charlie Carp and you’ll have nice buds. For your outdoor. Indoor a reasonable soil with a bit of nutrients is ok. Pearlite also. Make sure you have a good bloom fertilizer. For when you flip.
I have a 300w from Marshydro.
I’m yet to do auto.
 
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Indica ana Jones

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ozzyfullnewbie said:
hey guys, I'm in Aus and completely new to this, I've heard nothing but use fox farm!!

But unfortunately you can't get it here :( only online and it's like a hundred bucks shipping, so I was wondering if anyone on here is in Australia or knows of someone in Australia and could tell me what products and or brands to look at, ANYTHING is helpful to me as I have never done this before. (My autoflower so are one week in so kinda in a hurry)

Cheers


P.S my local landscape supply guys only have two types of organic soil and they are loam with chicken manure and loam with mushroom compost, does anyone know which may be better if I can't get any other info??
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Hi Bro.
Im in Sydney and grow outdoors and totally organic.
I use Master Marks soil recipe and have massive success with it. It's a living soil which means it will last forever basically. Just add compost tea every 2 weeks during veg stage and Bud and Bloom every 2 weeks from 1st week of flowering. No need to flush as its all organic, and no chemical pH up or down, baking soda and citric acid..... its basically a water only soil mix. Takes all the hard work out of it.
 
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Indica ana Jones

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Indica ana Jones said:
Hi Bro.
Im in Sydney and grow outdoors and totally organic.
I use Master Marks soil recipe and have massive success with it. It's a living soil which means it will last forever basically. Just add compost tea every 2 weeks during veg stage and Bud and Bloom every 2 weeks from 1st week of flowering. No need to flush as its all organic, and no chemical pH up or down, baking soda and citric acid..... its basically a water only soil mix. Takes all the hard work out of it.
30 % biochar or organic horticultural charcoal.
30% large Pumice
30% organic worm castings
1-2 cups of Neem Meal per bag of medium ( I use Bunnings organic compost)
1-2 cups of Kelp Meal
It's keeps getting better every year, just top up the top dressing and no more expense.
Hope this helps bro.
You can get everything from Dr Green Thumbs website
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Indica ana Jones

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MadFlavour said:
Another Aussie here, frustrated with either everyone just saying 'Fox Farms' or spelling out some super weird recipe that is all greek to a beginner. I've spent hours trying to research it as a noob. I just want a soil I can go buy and start with in a tent grow, some people will say just grab a bag of premium Osmocote from Bunnings. Then others will shoot that idea down as stupid, you don't want any 'NPK soils'.
Then the 'coco' suggestions come in. In threads that ask what SOIL in a indoor grow is needed.. huh that isn't soil? So now we are growing hydro yeah? Which everyone says is way harder for a beginner, just do a soil 1st grow, you don;t need to worry as much about ph of water.. so then the loop starts again.. what soil? Fox Farms!
Then others say get a 'living soil' that only need water. But then others will say no they actually add nutes to that water in living soil grows. Huh? That living soil in Australia is (a) crazy expensive (b) always stocked in some middle of nowhere location and (c) out of stock everywhere.
All I want is a step by step Australian based guide as to what soil to get for a 4x4 tent grow under LED, where to buy it, and not using strange terms like 'guano' or 'lifter' like a beginner knows what the heck they are (I know it's a lot to learn but I can't even pin down what to buy and not make a mistake that rears it's head in 4 months).
I thought the light choice was hard to pin down through a sea of opinion and sponsored posts but this basic thing - soil and where to get it in my area, super frustrating especially now I have all the other kit ready.

Im in Australia too bro.

Try Master Marks super soil mix.
This man knows his shit and grows huge yields ... record breaking yields.
Lasts forever, just top up top dressing every crop and you're good to go.

I use Bunnings Organic Compost as my medium soil.
30% Horticultural charcoal
30% Large Pumice
30% Organic Worm Castings
1-2 cups of Neem Meal per bag of medium
1-2 cups of Kelp Meal
It's basically a water soil only apart from adding compost and worm castings tea every fortnight during vegative stage and Bud and Bloom every 2 weeks after 1st week of flowering. No need to flush as its all organic. No pH chemicals at all. I use Baking soda and citric acid instead.
You can get most of these ingredients from Dr Green Thumbs online.
Hope this helps
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conor c

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ozzyfullnewbie said:
hey guys, I'm in Aus and completely new to this, I've heard nothing but use fox farm!!

But unfortunately you can't get it here :( only online and it's like a hundred bucks shipping, so I was wondering if anyone on here is in Australia or knows of someone in Australia and could tell me what products and or brands to look at, ANYTHING is helpful to me as I have never done this before. (My autoflower so are one week in so kinda in a hurry)

Cheers


P.S my local landscape supply guys only have two types of organic soil and they are loam with chicken manure and loam with mushroom compost, does anyone know which may be better if I can't get any other info??
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Biobizz or idk if you get jack's magic compost there maybe look into those two
 
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Indica ana Jones

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MadFlavour said:
Another Aussie here, frustrated with either everyone just saying 'Fox Farms' or spelling out some super weird recipe that is all greek to a beginner. I've spent hours trying to research it as a noob. I just want a soil I can go buy and start with in a tent grow, some people will say just grab a bag of premium Osmocote from Bunnings. Then others will shoot that idea down as stupid, you don't want any 'NPK soils'.
Then the 'coco' suggestions come in. In threads that ask what SOIL in a indoor grow is needed.. huh that isn't soil? So now we are growing hydro yeah? Which everyone says is way harder for a beginner, just do a soil 1st grow, you don;t need to worry as much about ph of water.. so then the loop starts again.. what soil? Fox Farms!
Then others say get a 'living soil' that only need water. But then others will say no they actually add nutes to that water in living soil grows. Huh? That living soil in Australia is (a) crazy expensive (b) always stocked in some middle of nowhere location and (c) out of stock everywhere.
All I want is a step by step Australian based guide as to what soil to get for a 4x4 tent grow under LED, where to buy it, and not using strange terms like 'guano' or 'lifter' like a beginner knows what the heck they are (I know it's a lot to learn but I can't even pin down what to buy and not make a mistake that rears it's head in 4 months).
I thought the light choice was hard to pin down through a sea of opinion and sponsored posts but this basic thing - soil and where to get it in my area, super frustrating especially now I have all the other kit ready.
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Master Marks super soil... thats all you need. I grow organic in a 4x4 tent under a viparspectra ks5000 and outdoors.
You can get all you need from Dr Green Thumbs online mate.
I use Bunnings organic compost 25 litre bags.
Pending on what amount of soil your using :
Add 30% Biochar or Horticultural charcoal.
30% Large Pumice
30% Organic worm castings.
1-2 cups of Neem Meal per bag of compost
1-2 cups of Kelp Meal per bag of compost.

It's a water only super soil, I feed compost and worm castings tea every 2 weeks during veg and just water Inbetween, unchlorinated and at ph 6.2.
Bud and Bloom every 2 weeks from 1st week of flowering.
No need to flush at all as it's all organic.
 
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