bluntwrapp
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5-10% is alot higher than i've experienced so could be an add to the list...is that lvtk and black dogs strain??
Keep posted on the lvtk x tangerine power, nice and close to that critical time
AMBER TRICHOME PRODUCING STRAINS
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Keep posted on the lvtk x tangerine power, nice and close to that critical time
bluntwrapp
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Sweeet, that was a very close 2nd for me but decided to go for the t5 in the end
Whats the heat output like? as cool as they say?? (compared to hps/mh) 
thenotsoesoteric
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Black dog is by HSO seeds, lvtk is by cannaventure, both are great smoke.Sweeet, that was a very close 2nd for me but decided to go for the t5 in the end
Ive found the 315w is about same temps in tent as when I had aircooled hps. But I hated the orange light, the white light from 315 is easier on the eyes.
Chunky Stool
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I run bare bulb MH and it definitely gives me a tan.
Wear your shades kiddies...
thenotsoesoteric
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Oh yeah, need sunblock getting in the tent, lol. If Im in there more than 10 second I get warm fast. You can feel it.I run bare bulb MH and it definitely gives me a tan.
Wear your shades kiddies...
NoMoreBottles
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How long is too long?
macsnax
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I've let it go overnight thinking it would ok for my edibles. That's when I discovered my cookies weren't very potent thc wise.
Thundercat
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From everything I just read it sounds like mostly plants getting harvested early. The OP mentioned letting a a "landrace" plant go to 18 weeks. Was that 18 weeks of 12/12 time, or of actual flower time, because they are different. Also what kind of landrace was it, a Sativa? I've personally ran sativas to 14+ weeks of actual flower time which was about 16-17 weeks of 12/12 time, and they still could have used another couple weeks to mature more, but I had to move so I HAD to chop finally.
Otherwise, the longest flowering time I saw mentioned was 12 weeks, and I pose the same question to that person was it 12 weeks of 12/12 or actual flowering time? The OP seemed surprised you had the patients to go 12 weeks, but 12 weeks isn't crazy long for a hybrid that leans sativa dominant. Especially if your only talking 12 weeks of 12/12 time.
There are NOT MANY strains that are properly matured in 8 weeks of 12/12. There are plenty of Indica dom strains that are fully matured in 8 weeks of actual flower time. Many of the strains on the market these days though are hybrids or even poly-hybrids which means most have some sativa in the mix someplace. That generally means that 9-12 weeks of actual flower time is VERY common to get a properly matured hybrid strain. Then Full sativas, hell easily 12-14+.
Then after you consider proper flowering time frames, you must consider the fact that every environmental misstep can slow the growth and maturation of these plants.
I currently have clones flowering that I"ve been growing for 4 years. This winter I had some extreme cold issues for a couple of weeks. I dealt with it all and got the plants through it. They have grown great, and are going to yield nicely I believe in spite of the issues. However, they are roughly 3 weeks behind in maturation.
Its VERY easy to harvest plants too early, it's WAY harder to over ripen plants then many people think. There is typically a couple weeks worth of time when you can get a perfect harvest, but if you don't wait long enough it won't happen
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Otherwise, the longest flowering time I saw mentioned was 12 weeks, and I pose the same question to that person was it 12 weeks of 12/12 or actual flowering time? The OP seemed surprised you had the patients to go 12 weeks, but 12 weeks isn't crazy long for a hybrid that leans sativa dominant. Especially if your only talking 12 weeks of 12/12 time.
There are NOT MANY strains that are properly matured in 8 weeks of 12/12. There are plenty of Indica dom strains that are fully matured in 8 weeks of actual flower time. Many of the strains on the market these days though are hybrids or even poly-hybrids which means most have some sativa in the mix someplace. That generally means that 9-12 weeks of actual flower time is VERY common to get a properly matured hybrid strain. Then Full sativas, hell easily 12-14+.
Then after you consider proper flowering time frames, you must consider the fact that every environmental misstep can slow the growth and maturation of these plants.
I currently have clones flowering that I"ve been growing for 4 years. This winter I had some extreme cold issues for a couple of weeks. I dealt with it all and got the plants through it. They have grown great, and are going to yield nicely I believe in spite of the issues. However, they are roughly 3 weeks behind in maturation.
Its VERY easy to harvest plants too early, it's WAY harder to over ripen plants then many people think. There is typically a couple weeks worth of time when you can get a perfect harvest, but if you don't wait long enough it won't happen
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macsnax
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I agree with you on the way you start counting flower days, I do too. A lot of peeps will argue with you about that around here.From everything I just read it sounds like mostly plants getting harvested early. The OP mentioned letting a a "landrace" plant go to 18 weeks. Was that 18 weeks of 12/12 time, or of actual flower time, because they are different. Also what kind of landrace was it, a Sativa? I've personally ran sativas to 14+ weeks of actual flower time which was about 16-17 weeks of 12/12 time, and they still could have used another couple weeks to mature more, but I had to move so I HAD to chop finally.
Otherwise, the longest flowering time I saw mentioned was 12 weeks, and I pose the same question to that person was it 12 weeks of 12/12 or actual flowering time? The OP seemed surprised you had the patients to go 12 weeks, but 12 weeks isn't crazy long for a hybrid that leans sativa dominant. Especially if your only talking 12 weeks of 12/12 time.
There are NOT MANY strains that are properly matured in 8 weeks of 12/12. There are plenty of Indica dom strains that are fully matured in 8 weeks of actual flower time. Many of the strains on the market these days though are hybrids or even poly-hybrids which means most have some sativa in the mix someplace. That generally means that 9-12 weeks of actual flower time is VERY common to get a properly matured hybrid strain. Then Full sativas, hell easily 12-14+.
Then after you consider proper flowering time frames, you must consider the fact that every environmental misstep can slow the growth and maturation of these plants.
I currently have clones flowering that I"ve been growing for 4 years. This winter I had some extreme cold issues for a couple of weeks. I dealt with it all and got the plants through it. They have grown great, and are going to yield nicely I believe in spite of the issues. However, they are roughly 3 weeks behind in maturation.
Its VERY easy to harvest plants too early, it's WAY harder to over ripen plants then many people think. There is typically a couple weeks worth of time when you can get a perfect harvest, but if you don't wait long enough it won't happen
Thundercat
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I'm glad you and some others realize this, I've been pointing it out to people for many years. Its very common among indoor pot growers to just decide that flowering starts at 12/12 flip. But they are the only people I've ever seen with this misconception. I thought that way at one point as well, but then realized how that was ignoring basic plant biology.
Growers outside wouldn't say a plant was flowering until it started showing flowers, and the same applies inside but some people do like to ignore that. This also explains most of why breeder recommendations seem so wrong. Most breeders understand that flower time begins when flower form, and thats what they list as flowering time. Then when growers count 12/12 time instead it makes it seem like the breeder is way off, and makes new growers think they need to harvest even though the plant is way early.
macsnax
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I always try to point that out with breeder times, outdoor flowering is a good example too..... I keep going to type something, but you pretty much covered what I think about it. I think we're on the same page, lol.
Southerner
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You don’t happen to be running co2 do you?
bluntwrapp
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Atleast 18+ FLOWER TIME...If anything I played down the time left to flower....the plant was more or less dead by the time I harvestedFrom everything I just read it sounds like mostly plants getting harvested early. The OP mentioned letting a a "landrace" plant go to 18 weeks. Was that 18 weeks of 12/12 time, or of actual flower time, because they are different. Also what kind of landrace was it, a Sativa? I've personally ran sativas to 14+ weeks of actual flower time which was about 16-17 weeks of 12/12 time, and they still could have used another couple weeks to mature more, but I had to move so I HAD to chop finally.
Otherwise, the longest flowering time I saw mentioned was 12 weeks, and I pose the same question to that person was it 12 weeks of 12/12 or actual flowering time? The OP seemed surprised you had the patients to go 12 weeks, but 12 weeks isn't crazy long for a hybrid that leans sativa dominant. Especially if your only talking 12 weeks of 12/12 time.
There are NOT MANY strains that are properly matured in 8 weeks of 12/12. There are plenty of Indica dom strains that are fully matured in 8 weeks of actual flower time. Many of the strains on the market these days though are hybrids or even poly-hybrids which means most have some sativa in the mix someplace. That generally means that 9-12 weeks of actual flower time is VERY common to get a properly matured hybrid strain. Then Full sativas, hell easily 12-14+.
Then after you consider proper flowering time frames, you must consider the fact that every environmental misstep can slow the growth and maturation of these plants.
I currently have clones flowering that I"ve been growing for 4 years. This winter I had some extreme cold issues for a couple of weeks. I dealt with it all and got the plants through it. They have grown great, and are going to yield nicely I believe in spite of the issues. However, they are roughly 3 weeks behind in maturation.
Its VERY easy to harvest plants too early, it's WAY harder to over ripen plants then many people think. There is typically a couple weeks worth of time when you can get a perfect harvest, but if you don't wait long enough it won't happen
very little green atall!! Like I say trichs eventually go from cloudy ==>to BLACK if i wait long enough 
Even 12+ weeks in flower is alot more patience than most I know....anytime me or friends are forced to get some from other suppliers there bud is ALWAYS immature garbage which usually gives all the negative effects without any positives....its no wonder this plant has a bad reputation to alotta people!!
Soo are you saying you have guaranteed amber on all strains you grow if left long enough???
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bluntwrapp
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According to this "https://catscientific.com/decarboxylating-cannabis/" looks like the decarb/cooking method is a waste of time in increasing cbn....
At the conclusion of our experiment, we found the rate of cannabinoid conversion is so low it’s barely noticeable. When this data is translated to real-world application, the THC-CBN conversion isn’t high enough to alter the effects of a cannabis extract.
Checked on some old stash that's been left jarred for about 14+ months though and does seem to be a fare amount more amber....bit of a slow game though when this plant should produce it plentiful on the plant....guessing there can't be many amber fans since this is still a very short list
- Sample #1(6 Hour Collection) | THC to CBN Conversion: 0.1 mg/ml
- Sample #2 (12 Hour Collection)| THC to CBN Conversion: 0.2 mg/ml
- Sample #3 (18 Hour Collection)| THC to CBN Conversion: 0.3 mg/ml
- Sample #4 (24 Hour Collection) | THC to CBN Conversion: 0.4 mg/ml
At the conclusion of our experiment, we found the rate of cannabinoid conversion is so low it’s barely noticeable. When this data is translated to real-world application, the THC-CBN conversion isn’t high enough to alter the effects of a cannabis extract.
Checked on some old stash that's been left jarred for about 14+ months though and does seem to be a fare amount more amber....bit of a slow game though when this plant should produce it plentiful on the plant....guessing there can't be many amber fans since this is still a very short list
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bluntwrapp
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Nope......why you ask?
bluntwrapp
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Nice, might go that option soon and just keep the t5's for vegging. Yeah same, feel like the more natural the light to my eyes the better for the plant, or I just rationalize that way for my own comfort
Hate going in to grows with the mixed leds....really screws with my eyes 
bluntwrapp
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Got some visuals for yalls in the hopes of carrying on thread and still creating an amber list...this is just the latest grow = big bud.
Some info- small setup, 150w(total) t5's. Top 6 colas were harvested a couple weeks backs (not long after 1st pic.) It may look green and immature but i've not been holding back on the nitrogen.....buds were well "crowned" and close to degrading(didnt want to waste the plant waiting on more amber). 2nd pic is cured bud from said top colas.....as you can see not too bad on amber, still abit sparse overall. Dropped lights to lower stuff after cropped....image 3 shows degraded BLACK trichomes as seen in 3rd pic(taken today, 2 weeks after cured buds)!! Sorry bout pic quality in last pic, very hard to keep a steady hand, focus and capture!
Some info- small setup, 150w(total) t5's. Top 6 colas were harvested a couple weeks backs (not long after 1st pic.) It may look green and immature but i've not been holding back on the nitrogen.....buds were well "crowned" and close to degrading(didnt want to waste the plant waiting on more amber). 2nd pic is cured bud from said top colas.....as you can see not too bad on amber, still abit sparse overall. Dropped lights to lower stuff after cropped....image 3 shows degraded BLACK trichomes as seen in 3rd pic(taken today, 2 weeks after cured buds)!! Sorry bout pic quality in last pic, very hard to keep a steady hand, focus and capture!
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bluntwrapp
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Also took a close up of some year old bud mentioned back in thread, unfortunately no before and after for comparison but does seemed to have ambered up abit since last checked.
