this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?
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this is where i have issue..just because i am no longer making six figures doesn't mean i haven't paid my share in the past..does that preclude me from opinion now because my effective is 15% on the 7k unemployment i received in 2013?
ginwilly
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Pin, no offense, but what you are saying here is what most of us have been claiming. You are arguing the virtues of the ACA based on what you think it does or what you were told it does. Not on what people's experience is telling them.
We can hope you are right, but signs are pointing in the other direction.
woody333333
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you could just live w massive debt and never have a chance to better yourself....you could move to the ghetto and have ghetto kids........ then republicans could try to starve them.............that would make republicans happy.......
Pinworm
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I agree. Just because someone is in favor of this, does not mean they are lazy, or "begging for handouts". I work my ASS off. I just cannot afford a plan with the way things are currently. Giving everyone an equal share in being "well" sure feels right. But, what the fuck do I know anyway?
Pinworm
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No offense taken. I actually am inclined to agree with you. I sincerely hope that this turns out to be something positive for our country, but can still see the obvious flaws, and "loopholes" if you will, and given my negative nature, I almost want to see it fail. The catch is, that SOOO many people will benefit from this. Being a business owner, I'm sure you can give this an honest look. If a majority of people will benefit, why not follow through?
Antidisestablishmentarian
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Yeah, poor old Mitt probably paid more last year in taxes than most of us will earn in our lifetimes.
typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?
First of all, your effective rate on federal taxes (which is where the money will come from to fund ACA) is not even close to 15%.
Be that as it may, the taxes you and I paid years ago or even last year, is already allocated or spent.
And I am not saying you do not deserve an opinion, go back and read my comment you quoted, you rarely voice your opinion Schuylarr, you make demands and become indignant if we disagree.
echelon1k1
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is that a standard amount, $7K annually?
ginwilly
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When Obama was using people like Mitt Romney as his cause for raising INCOME tax, I was saying, hey wait a minute, you can raise INCOME tax to 100% and it won't affect the mega rich investment bankers like Buffet and Romney. I was called a racist for pointing this out by the usuals here.
If I flip a house, the profit is called capital gains and taxed at a lower rate. If I flip enough houses that it becomes over 50% of my living, my capital gains are reclassified as income (my guess is the real estate magnates weren't as strong a lobby as the bankers). If I invest and take my profit it's capital gains and taxed as such. If I make my sole living from investing, it's still classified as capital gains.
If Obama were genuine about taxing the Uber rich, he would have wanted to change the classification of investment bankers, eh hem, INCOME, but he didn't. He played to people's emotions, convinced them he was going after the hated rich, and instead punished those small business owners and professionals that have to work for their money. I'm not saying raise capital gains taxes like the knee jerk reaction would be, that only hurts the small time investors like us in the middle class, I'm saying we should call it income when it's your income.
I think tax on unemployment is immoral, just as I think my 79 year old mother who works full time (sounds like a Cheesus story, I know) for the state counseling poor teens,making a pittance has to send in a check every year because her SSI puts her in a different bracket. I think people over 65 that work because they want to should be exempt up to 100k (or atleast 50k) from income tax.
Pinworm, I believe you are one of the few that would truly appreciate the people who pay for your free or subsidized healthcare, big difference in those who demand it and feel they are entitled.
just saying.
Doer
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Everything is supposed be.....but this is politics. If Everything it is supposed to be, most of it CANNOT be.
ginwilly
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Europeans, they laugh at us for our wasteful hot water tanks. You turn them on 30 minutes before you need a hot shower and turn it off after.typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?
ginwilly
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That's fair. If more people are insured after the enactment than before, that's a good thing.
The catch phrase was access to insurance, not health care. A 6k deductible does little to provide actual care.
Doer
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And in Italy, don't look for that switch in your room. They kept telling me on the phone, to just turn on the switch. Then they finally sent some old housekeeper up, to give me a disgusted look when she showed me the switch was in the hall.
And if Romney was a leftie, you'd be praising him for conserving energy!typical cheap ass though..during the campaign his wife said when they leave home he turns down the hot water heater and when they come back he has been know to comment that cold showers are a good thing..who the fuck turns down the WATER HEATER?
See how partisans work?
Pinworm
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You can cry all you want to. I don't care. I don't know you, or care to.
You pretend to know me, and my situation. You know shit. If you have something to add to the confab, please speak up, but until then...stick to yourself, boss. Humans deserve the right to be well. Period. You think otherwise? Killer. No sweat off my sack.
I'm happy with being me. I'm stoked to know that this fact fucks with you to the point where you feel the necessity to punch out a big paragraph judging me, and my family - complete with shit talk.
How many times did you have to edit your post to make yourself feel better?
Go to bed, sir. Your shit is tired.
lilroach
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Where they went wrong with Obamacare is that they did not address the issues that are increasing the cost of healthcare, which they should have done first before implementing a trillion-dollar plan. The cost of forcing competition across state lines....zip....and would make 1,300 different insurance companies be competitive instead of the handful we have in each state. The cost of ensuring doctors don't order expensive test only to cover their asses legally.....zip.....and we wouldn't have to get an MRI for a headache.
But instead, we have a new healthcare that requires 16,500 NEW IRS agents, a bloated program that has a good possibility of getting pushed back forever because it's not workable, exemptions to politically favored organizations and corporations, 10 years of taxes to fund 6 years of coverage...most won't come into effect until the last two years, forcing the poor to pay for something they couldn't afford to begin with, and cost-shifting medical expenses in hospitals and doctor offices that are under-funded to those that have health insurance...thus driving up the cost to those that pay for their insurances.
Not to mention the fact that we had a doctor shortage prior to adding on millions of new patients, and now everyone is being hurt.
But instead, we have a new healthcare that requires 16,500 NEW IRS agents, a bloated program that has a good possibility of getting pushed back forever because it's not workable, exemptions to politically favored organizations and corporations, 10 years of taxes to fund 6 years of coverage...most won't come into effect until the last two years, forcing the poor to pay for something they couldn't afford to begin with, and cost-shifting medical expenses in hospitals and doctor offices that are under-funded to those that have health insurance...thus driving up the cost to those that pay for their insurances.
Not to mention the fact that we had a doctor shortage prior to adding on millions of new patients, and now everyone is being hurt.
Pinworm
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Agreed. I understand free doesn't mean free.