another bryan o,conner post ! man now what ? regs vs female

Budley Doright said:

I read this a while back and not sure it's gonna take over the world but guess you never know.....it's a crazy world lol.

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After à couple of research yes this seem to be the way things will turn out like rm3 said better start packing some heirloom before gmo flood the market

madininagyal said:

Told you there some good breeder here on rollitup ,gîve them à chance you will not be disappointed

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I prefer to buy from the store and keep it local but yup I'm sure their are some good ones. I just smoked some master kush that was like drinking a bottle of rye, legs got all wobbly, I like that lol. Not sure who the breeder was though . Got it from the Indian dispensary, sorry "native" reserve .

Gquebed said:

No. Euros are more expensive now, with CAD in the tank. Euro did too so its about the same. So it seems that if you have been buying wr for 10/105 youve been buying from the wrong place.

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Am I reading this wrong

bryan oconner said:

never had a fem herm on me . thinking of buying 50 50 . half reg half fem . idk yet. its still in dispute

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I have had one. I've had more herms from regular seeds.

I laugh at rob saying he has had more males from fem seed. Probably ordered one pack of fems with some regulars and mixed them up. Said he got a bunch of males from fem seed and give up. Lol. About the only way to get males from fem seed.

Budley Doright said:

They ran out of femmed WR last year so I'm thinking it may not be the same either. Not sure what I'm running next but need to decide real soon. Just finishing up a major trim job right now

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So now your phone is all sticky?

I fuckin hate that...lol

Gquebed said:

Thing is...you dont know that they are good until you try them. So forgive me if i dont take your word that those seeds are all good.

The demand for fem seeds is created by breeders who NEED you to come back again and again for seed so they can make money. If they se you a reg seeds they risk losing you as a customer because you just might make your own from his seeds. So fem seeds become more prevalent from the breeders, who then try to convince noobs of the convenience of them and the fact that they are "stable" and wont hermie, which they do frequently, as proven by nearly every hermie thread on this site.

Noobs buy into that and breeders have created "demand" for themselves. Monsanto created this business model and now own the rights to almost all of the grain supply in the world. Thats right...google it. Monsanto was recently sold to a worse company.

And! No... breeders have not kept up with demand. That is why prices keep rising. In the last two years prices have doubled and you know it, if you buy seeds...

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we know they are good because like any smart person we look at grow journals and smoke reports on strains before we buy.

We also know because some of those breeders are on here and sent free testers out.

Fem seeds are NOT more likely to herm than regs.

I grow a few plants at a time and fems work great for that. I also have a ton of reg seeds to.

Why would I have to go back for more fem seeds? Ever heard of clones?

What does it matter anyways? No one here has bought reg seeds one time and said that's it, Ill breed them now. No, they buy more even if they make seeds.

Its not that hard to make and breed fems anyways. No one is locked into buying them.

How many fems have you grown out?

Gquebed said:

Ive been down this road a few times. CS applied is a stressor that incites a hormonal reaction in the plant.

It isnt new. Monsanto started this in other plants over 3 decades ago.

As we know, different types of stressors can cause more sensitive genetics to react in any number of ways. One is to hermie.

Reg seeds hermie too. Its happened to all of us im sure. But it seems that it happens FAR more frequently with fem seeds. Just about every single herm thread i have seen on this site is from a fem seed. That speaks volumes. Sure...people will argue other factors in the grow may have caused it. Maybe. And so just as likely is that those conditions may not have been enough on their own to hermie a plant but those conditions put to a fem seed did cause it...

But just by math alone fem seeds hermie more often then regs do. Evidence of that math is on this site...

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Wrong. CS is not a stressor. It blocks the hormone that induces flowering and allow pollen sacs to develop.

You are just repeating forum myth.

Budley Doright said:

I read this a while back and not sure it's gonna take over the world but guess you never know.....it's a crazy world lol.

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im to old and to many health problems they wont draft me . I would not survive training . yea . more then likely no nukes but very possible ground war would last 20 years . who knows . I guess china north korea Russia all on the same side don't quote me on any thing . I was watching videos of north korea and wow the rules . they are forced to work 6 days a week and 1 day a week they are forced to work for free . and every where you go there is propaganda playing on tv and no meat at all ! they are forced to grow there food . forget about leaving its impossible guards and fences . crazy shit . I was watching a you tube video that had pics somebody was able to sneak out of korea . and taking pictures of any kind is a serious offence . crazy stuff hey any body sick ? sore throat stuffed up fever ? im all shitty feeling 3 days .

no clones . I know very well how to clone . also have a hydroponic cloner home made . the quality is ( slightlyyyyyyyy ) lower clone . I am talking a margin lower quality most could not notice at all . I am just cuckoo I want the absolute very best .

whitebb2727 said:

we know they are good because like any smart person we look at grow journals and smoke reports on strains before we buy.

We also know because some of those breeders are on here and sent free testers out.

Fem seeds are NOT more likely to herm than regs.

I grow a few plants at a time and fems work great for that. I also have a ton of reg seeds to.

Why would I have to go back for more fem seeds? Ever heard of clones?

What does it matter anyways? No one here has bought reg seeds one time and said that's it, Ill breed them now. No, they buy more even if they make seeds.

Its not that hard to make and breed fems anyways. No one is locked into buying them.

How many fems have you grown out?

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So you know the genetics are good from reports. But you dont know if you got the same seeds. You dont know if the seeds are good even if they are the same genetics. Old seed even from good genes often go wrong.

Why go back for more fem seeds if youre cloning? Ever hear of changing strains? Like i said, not everybody has room for two or three moms.

Nobody is locked into buying fems...yet. and that is the point youre missing. Reg selection is getting smaller and smaller. Look at any seed site compared to even a year ago.

Ive done 3 groups of 4 fems. Each group had a hermie.

You sound like a noob by your questions. Maybe im wrong but...

Are you one of the pollen chuckers? you say you breed, but do you bother to stabalize your new strains? Or did you mean just producing seed from stable strains?

whitebb2727 said:

Wrong. CS is not a stressor. It blocks the hormone that induces flowering and allow pollen sacs to develop.

You are just repeating forum myth.

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Blocking hormones... yes... exactly. And what happens when you interrupt or block or manipulate the natural course of any living thing? You cause stress. Period. End of that discussion.

Except to say that stressors are what cause evolution. Or regression.

This thread is moving fast! A lot of people seem to know the ''truth'' however I think much research still has to be done. Always such a huge debate reg vs fem. People growing fem seeds always get so insulted.The point being, cannabis has evolved to have the option to hermie in case of catastrophic events and or when there were no males.... we have to ask ourselves how did cannabis evolved this way, and why, and also how often has it happened throughout it's evolution and why on earth do we still have males around?? hermiing is something cannabis would do out of desperation, not the way it wants to thrive.

GreenSanta said:

This thread is moving fast! A lot of people seem to know the ''truth'' however I think much research still has to be done. Always such a huge debate reg vs fem. People growing fem seeds always get so insulted.The point being, cannabis has evolved to have the option to hermie in case of catastrophic events and or when there were no males.... we have to ask ourselves how did cannabis evolved this way, and why, and also how often has it happens throughout it's evolution and why on earth do we still have males around?? because it's something cannabis would do out of desperation, not the way it wants to thrive.

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Good points. Fem seed users take offence real quick. And hermi-ing is a desperate bid for survival.

I think fem seed usuers are quick to take offence because they know deep down that there is no real advanatge to them, except a minor bit of convenience... that comes at the risk of hermis.

I said at the start of this thread...there is no real point to fem seeds because the con enience they have over reg seeds is so minimal.

So pop a few extra seeds and fill a few extra beer cups. How doesnt have time for that? Your doing it all anyway. For the few extra mintues it take for this is well worth protecting as many strains as possible from the same monopolozing evil Monsanto put to grain seed.

Gquebed said:

Thing is...you dont know that they are good until you try them. So forgive me if i dont take your word that those seeds are all good.

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Why not? You seem to take everyones elses word on RIU about fems going hermie? Again, thats just speculation, but you seem to grasp it as fact and repeat it like fact as well. Fact is, there is 100x more documentation on RIU regarding the validity of the quality of the reg seeds that can be obtained from the 6 websites I already posted for you earlier in the thread. You just cant seem to grasp that I proved you wrong in your assumption that reg seeds of good quality are getting hard to get....when thats just not true. Fact is, fem are more popular and banks are keeping up with the demand and popularity of fem seeds. Ever think the reason you keep saying reg seeds are old etc is because nobody buys them like they used to? Check out some of the banks here in the states....they sell out of reg seeds and announce drop dates often. This is how you keep a fresh stock of seeds. Things arent how they were 20 yrs ago and places like Amsterdam are looking to the West Coast here in the States for bomb genetics. There just isnt and never will be a shortage of reg seeds....GMO involvement or not.

Gquebed said:

So you know the genetics are good from reports. But you dont know if you got the same seeds. You dont know if the seeds are good even if they are the same genetics. Old seed even from good genes often go wrong.

Why go back for more fem seeds if youre cloning? Ever hear of changing strains? Like i said, not everybody has room for two or three moms.

Nobody is locked into buying fems...yet. and that is the point youre missing. Reg selection is getting smaller and smaller. Look at any seed site compared to even a year ago.

Ive done 3 groups of 4 fems. Each group had a hermie.

You sound like a noob by your questions. Maybe im wrong but...

Are you one of the pollen chuckers? you say you breed, but do you bother to stabalize your new strains? Or did you mean just producing seed from stable strains?

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So you dont have room for 2 or 3 mommas but you have room to run a bunch of regs to have to get rid of likely 50% of them due to being male. Your talking in circles and anyone who reads this thread from beginning to end will likely agree.

Gquebed said:

Good points. Fem seed users take offence real quick. And hermi-ing is a desperate bid for survival.

I think fem seed usuers are quick to take offence because they know deep down that there is no real advanatge to them, except a minor bit of convenience... that comes at the risk of hermis.

I said at the start of this thread...there is no real point to fem seeds because the con enience they have over reg seeds is so minimal.

So pop a few extra seeds and fill a few extra beer cups. How doesnt have time for that? Your doing it all anyway. For the few extra mintues it take for this is well worth protecting as many strains as possible from the same monopolozing evil Monsanto put to grain seed.

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Ever think just MAYBE its not the seeds but the one growing them? Sounds like a lot of issues going on in your garden if you are getting 3 of 4 groups of fems to hemie. You said yourself that it is a "desperate bid for survival" so why is it trying so hard to "survive" in your garden? I dont seem to have the same issues you do with the fem seeds I use?

GreenSanta said:

This thread is moving fast! A lot of people seem to know the ''truth'' however I think much research still has to be done. Always such a huge debate reg vs fem. People growing fem seeds always get so insulted.The point being, cannabis has evolved to have the option to hermie in case of catastrophic events and or when there were no males.... we have to ask ourselves how did cannabis evolved this way, and why, and also how often has it happens throughout it's evolution and why on earth do we still have males around?? because it's something cannabis would do out of desperation, not the way it wants to thrive.

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I dont get insulted until someone calls me a "lazy noob".

I'm done participating in this thread.

like archive or mr soul said in the adam dunn show recently (can't remember which show..) by the time you have the plants showing sex, you can take the males out and if you have anywhere around xx+ plants you will almost always endup with a 50% male-female ratio, which will easily fill that space during the stretch of the first few weeks. The other thing is if you are growing organically with living soil and reusing your soil, there is no waste whatsoever.

I dont get insulted until someone calls me a "lazy noob".

I'm done participating in this thread.

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lazy noob

HydroRed said:

Why not? You seem to take everyones elses word on RIU about fems going hermie? Again, thats just speculation, but you seem to grasp it as fact and repeat it like fact as well. Fact is, there is 100x more documentation on RIU regarding the validity of the quality of the reg seeds that can be obtained from the 6 websites I already posted for you earlier in the thread. You just cant seem to grasp that I proved you wrong in your assumption that reg seeds of good quality are getting hard to get....when thats just not true. Fact is, fem are more popular and banks are keeping up with the demand and popularity of fem seeds. Ever think the reason you keep saying reg seeds are old etc is because nobody buys them like they used to? Check out some of the banks here in the states....they sell out of reg seeds and announce drop dates often. This is how you keep a fresh stock of seeds. Things arent how they were 20 yrs ago and places like Amsterdam are looking to the West Coast here in the States for bomb genetics. There just isnt and never will be a shortage of reg seeds....GMO involvement or not.



So you dont have room for 2 or 3 mommas but you have room to run a bunch of regs to have to get rid of likely 50% of them due to being male. Your talking in circles and anyone who reads this thread from beginning to end will likely agree.




Ever think just MAYBE its not the seeds but the one growing them? Sounds like a lot of issues going on in your garden if you are getting 3 of 4 groups of fems to hemie. You said yourself that it is a "desperate bid for survival" so why is it trying so hard to "survive" in your garden? I dont seem to have the same issues you do with the fem seeds I use?



I dont get insulted until someone calls me a "lazy noob".

I'm done participating in this thread.

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Good. You didnt contribute anythi g worthwhile anyway.

And evidently you cant read. I never called you anything. I said fems are for lazy noobs. You took offence i guess because you use fems. But you never considered that just like panties and lipstick are for women there are however men who wear both.

So i repeat... fems are for lazy noobs. Thats who they are intended for. Just because you use them doesnt make you a lazy noob. You chose to take that as an offence...nothing to do me. That is your choice. Then a gazillion posts later you come back and put up a totally cuntish post. Wow. Guess you got your panties in a bunch and smeared your lipstick...

HydroRed said:

Ever think just MAYBE its not the seeds but the one growing them? Sounds like a lot of issues going on in your garden if you are getting 3 of 4 groups of fems to hemie. You said yourself that it is a "desperate bid for survival" so why is it trying so hard to "survive" in your garden? .

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This is what every fem seed user comes up with for a defence. It cant be the seed it must be your growing technique. And it is so pathetic...

If that were true wouldnt we be getting hermies from our reg seeds too then?

I have had one reg seed hermie in i dont know how many grows. It was my fault. I fucked up the lights. It was my second grow ever. Never had a hermie since. My regs do fine in the environment they are in. More than fine, in fact. But three fem grows for me and three hermies.

That suggests to me that fem seeds are in fact more prone to herming.

But that is just me. What about everybody else? Well... hermi thread after hermi thread here in rui we have the same scenario as mine.

That is all the evidence i need to know.

And when presented with this evidence the fem seed defenders always fall back on the "there is no scientific proof that fem seeds should hermie any more than reg seeds". And somehow they forget that there is no scientific proof of the opposite that... that fem seeds should not hermie any more than reg seeds.

So that argument is a wash. So fuckin bury it.

But at the end of the day what there is... is hermi thread after hermi thread that came from fem seeds...and not only on this site. Others too.

So fem seed hermi deniers are like climate change deniers. No proof of climate change but yet all kinds of evidence everywhere..yet they still deny...

***slow head shake***

Gquebed said:

So you know the genetics are good from reports. But you dont know if you got the same seeds. You dont know if the seeds are good even if they are the same genetics. Old seed even from good genes often go wrong.

Why go back for more fem seeds if youre cloning? Ever hear of changing strains? Like i said, not everybody has room for two or three moms.

Nobody is locked into buying fems...yet. and that is the point youre missing. Reg selection is getting smaller and smaller. Look at any seed site compared to even a year ago.

Ive done 3 groups of 4 fems. Each group had a hermie.

You sound like a noob by your questions. Maybe im wrong but...

Are you one of the pollen chuckers? you say you breed, but do you bother to stabalize your new strains? Or did you mean just producing seed from stable strains?

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So if you are buying more seeds what does it matter? That was my point.

Got any pics of the herms you had out of fem seed? what strains and what breeders were they?

I agree with hydrored. You are talking circles.

You are just repeating forum myth and don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Gquebed said:

This is what every fem seed user comes up with for a defence. It cant be the seed it must be your growing technique. And it is so pathetic...

If that were true wouldnt we be getting hermies from our reg seeds too then?

I have had one reg seed hermie in i dont know how many grows. It was my fault. I fucked up the lights. It was my second grow ever. Never had a hermie since. My regs do fine in the environment they are in. More than fine, in fact. But three fem grows for me and three hermies.

That suggests to me that fem seeds are in fact more prone to herming.

But that is just me. What about everybody else? Well... hermi thread after hermi thread here in rui we have the same scenario as mine.

That is all the evidence i need to know.

And when presented with this evidence the fem seed defenders always fall back on the "there is no scientific proof that fem seeds should hermie any more than reg seeds". And somehow they forget that there is no scientific proof of the opposite that... that fem seeds should not hermie any more than reg seeds.

So that argument is a wash. So fuckin bury it.

But at the end of the day what there is... is hermi thread after hermi thread that came from fem seeds...and not only on this site. Others too.

So fem seed hermi deniers are like climate change deniers. No proof of climate change but yet all kinds of evidence everywhere..yet they still deny...

***slow head shake***

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Not to be argumentative but you contradict yourself in this post!