bingo!
the guy was hinky the whole time.
that cop did not know if there was a gun..an outstanding warrant? driving a vehicle with no papers..?
dude, c'mon..you know you just brought it.
another wonderful Charleston South carolina fficer
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the guy was hinky the whole time.
that cop did not know if there was a gun..an outstanding warrant? driving a vehicle with no papers..?
dude, c'mon..you know you just brought it.
to know you have an outstanding warrant..why run? you know you're going to jail.
dude lived his life irresponsibly and he died the same way.
whitebb2727
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The guy that got choked and died "knew" he was breaking the law. Your argument is moot. Both were accused, both died at the hands of the cops for non violence.
Shooting an un armed man is cowardly.
GrowPops
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Agreed!
GrowPops
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And if they weren't resisting arrest they would not have died. Its that simple. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
i mean you'll still get a basic beatdown..'just because', but this is not racially motivated..they do it to everyone..black, white, brown.
WeedFreak78
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What happens when there was no crime..that's my issue..you want EVERYONE to accept the fact they are going to be treated like a criminal..until they prove their own innocence..or the police no longer consider you a threat. Don't you see the fact that goes directly against our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..or do you believe we have no right to freedom? If I have committed no crime, I have no obligation to the state to answer to it.. it's that simple. Will you happily allow police to have you leave your vehicle, under drawn guns and hold you cuffed until they verify who you are? It's for your own safety, and theirs, and they deal with killers all day, we just want everyone to go home alive at the end of the day.......
What happens when there was no crime..that's my issue..you want EVERYONE to accept the fact they are going to be treated like a criminal..until they prove their own innocence..or the police no longer consider you a threat. Don't you see the fact that goes directly against our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..or do you believe we have no right to freedom? If I have committed no crime, I have no obligation to the state to answer to it.. it's that simple. Will you happily allow police to have you leave your vehicle, under drawn guns and hold you cuffed until they verify who you are? It's for your own safety, and theirs, and they deal with killers all day, we just want everyone to go home alive at the end of the day.......
no.
what it means is that, even someone who is part of the 'family'..when getting pulled over there is a certain protocol.
when the lights are flashing:
- you slow (so he knows, you know, he's behind you and are looking for a safe place to pull over) pull into the next safest area using your signals..don't be dick and stop directly on the road, median or otherwise.
- place your car in park.
- stay positioned in your seat facing forward..don't fidget or start going for the glove or anything!
- wait until he reaches window.
- open the window.
- wait for his instructions.
- do not be belligerent, argumentative..be polite, he is now in charge.
- just follow his instructions; speak when spoken to.
- DO NOT GET OUT OF THE CAR FOR ANY REASON UNLESS INSTRUCTED..missing registration, expired insurance card..you wait until he comes back and THEN you let him know you've found the information he was seeking.
police are a para-military organization.
WeedFreak78
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There is a certain "protocol" that police want people to comply with when getting confronted..IT IS NOT A LAW. I refuse to voluntarily give up, or temporarily suspend my rights so an officer can feel safe.They volunteered for and get paid, paid well, to do their job. It's not my job to make their job easier..don't like the danger involved..don't sign up, maybe we shouldn't have people being cops who feel THE WHOLE GENERAL PUBLIC is a threat to them.
As a free person I have NO OBLIGATION, to "follow orders", of any para military, military..or other government institution, no matter which laws they pass that say otherwise
I've never been in an institutional setting, if I was ever forced into service..I would disobey every order, I have no respect any more for our military, police, or any political office. Why would I "follow orders" of a governmental institution I have deep divisions with? You allow yourself to be controlled, stop pushing a police state on me, I won't.
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Let me add a couple of things.
When pulling over, pull over as far as you can, go up the curb a bit if you need to. The officer will automatically be relieved because he can now position his vehicle further out to avoid being hit by traffic as he comes to your window. Making him feel safe is a priority, a cop that feels safe is less likely to make a traffic stop into a bad scene.
After you put your car in park, you should turn the engine off and remove the keys.
Leave both hands on the steering wheel so they are easy to see.
A good first impression is everything, act professionally, dress clean, have a clean car and a clean interior.
Don't argue with a ticket, that's what the judge is for. If you truly did not deserve the infraction, the cop will not show to court and you will most likely get it thrown out. Assert your right to be innocent in a court, not to the flat foot whose job it is to issue as many of these tickets as possible.
I don't think its a good idea to act like a sheep around cops, don't show them you are an easy target. Treat the cop like you would a neighbor, not like he was the president, your king, or your religious savior. Treating him like that will only tell him that you are someone that he may be able to manipulate into doing things.
Ask lots of questions, answer none directly. If asked where you are going, just ask him why he wants to know. Ask him how your destination has any relevancy to the traffic stop.
Officers ask questions so that they may ascertain whether or not you are lying to them. Once they think you are lying is when the dogs get called, or the traffic stop gets a want and warrants check or you are asked to step out of the vehicle so they can investigate things.
whitebb2727
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That's fine. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when a cop crosses the line and violates my constitutional rights. I stand up to it.
There is no reason to shoot someone in the back with one exception. If the person is attacking someone and you have to shoot to save them.
You ever watch cops? Someone runs, the cop(s) chase and catch the person. Hell after the adrenaline wears off the cops are even talking to the runner, sometimes even laughing. Not shooting them in the back.
if you take your keys out of the ignition, you can't roll down your window.
if you were speeding (for example) there may be a valid reason why..you cut yourself..need stitches and are on the way to the ER..that's why they ask..not always a subversive nature to catch you in a lie..you'll trip up on your own, just like that guy that ran..as soon as he rolled down the window his speech was nervous and he changed what he said a few times during the initial interaction. if you're up to hinky, it will show on it's own, officer doesn't need any special conversation to figure it..i figured it right from the beginning.
bottom line: treat him as you wished to be treated.
PS never once, did my husband come home looking like he beat someone..bloody knuckles, uniform trashed..not once.
oldtimer54
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It was his name Hildebidle
He simply couldn't take the ridicule any longer !
He simply couldn't take the ridicule any longer !
Yes you can, most cars stay powered until a door is opened or a certain time expires. You can also just put the keys back in if it needs power, did you know you could do that?
Some cars even have manual windows and roll down with elbow grease. Ever seen one of those?
1. mine don't.
2. then you'd have to take your hands off the wheel, which according to you, is where they should be.
Rob Roy
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Some legal crimes are not "real crimes", rather they are arbitrary statutory inventions of people that are concerned with controlling others instead of letting them peacefully self determine.
Good people will always break bad laws....and they should.
whitebb2727
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Have you read this thread? I understand cops have a job to do. I'm talking about if I walk down the side walk, hit a road block, something of that nature a cop has no right to walk up and ask for id or bother you.
You say he died for being breaking the law. You are braking the law. Don't give me "its legal in my state." You are breaking a federal law and you know it. The feds could bust your door down if they wanted to. We all break laws. We all do what we think is right.
That cop shot that man in the back. He then picked the taser up and moved it. He looked at the guy and knew he fucked up and moved that taser to cover his ass.
You make no sense. If a person is convicted by a jury of their peers and sentenced to death, oh that's wrong. Let a cop be the judge, jury, and executioner that's OK.
A cop is a public SERVANT. Why do you think a cop has that kind of control?
You need to wake up and pay attention to what's going on. You will look one day and be like wtf happened.
I will act according when interacting with police but I will say no when they ask or do something that infringes on my rights.
Once again, shooting someone in the back is cowardly.
Its called trigger control. The military does live fire exercises, they train and train some more. They can identify threat or not in a flash.
Cops should go through more training to stress them and teach them to control adrenaline and make better decisions.
I'm not going to argue this any more. A man had a warrant for child support. He is now dead and the kids suffer.
Shooting someone in the back is cowardly. Remind me not to piss you off since you think shooting a man in the back is OK.