DoctorSmoke
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george carlin.
george carlin.
Your assumption that someone without kids wouldn't give the policy of public education much thought is not well thought out. We interact with people every single day, the more intelligent someone is, the better, right? I can think of a billion different things that would change for the better if more people were simply smarter. Public education should be much more important to people, but when was the last time you heard a crazy person admit they were crazy... (stupid people don't think they're stupid)
My guess would be homes were much more conservative before the economic success of the 50's. They didn't require (not to mention the regulations that weren't in place until workers/womens movements) women to work to pay the bills. While homes got bigger, wages remained stagnant for the lower-middle class. Now we're left with the result of a financial crisis with incredibly high costs of living and low wages.
And about the guns, stupid kids with access to guns shoot up schools often enough that it requires some kind of regulation, even you have to admit that.
The latter thing only started happening when kids started getting prescribed dangerous prescription drugs for conditions they do nothing to help. Which, by the way, is not a coincidence at all.
As far as public education making people smarter... hypothetically it can be used for this purpose. Historically it isn't typically used for this purpose as much as it is to manipulate populations. There's a pretty good argument in favor of private and state funded education given the interests can be quite varied and it keeps ideas diverse (as well as having a much closer connection to the electorate or customer). I don't really see any good argument in favor of huge socialist programs with tremendously centralized power as these are almost always abused (all through history) or are run poorly because large monolithic organizations with little competition typically don't respond well to change.
Shit like this reminds me of The Matrix... how did your red pill taste?
no job, no education, living at home with mommy and daddy.
is mcdonald's hiring high school dropouts?
But regardless, here we are, a nation of hopped up kids with access to weapons. Do you think that's something that should be regulated on school grounds?
Again, I think we're both pretty much in agreement. Rage Against the Machine has a good song called Take the Power Back with a lyric that explains this pretty well;
The present curriculum
I put my fist in 'em
Eurocentric every last one of 'em
See right through the red, white and blue disguise
With lecture I puncture the structure of lies
Installed in our minds and attempting
To hold us back
We've got to take it back
Though it can be (and pretty much has been by special interest groups) co opted to manipulate the population, I think it's still much better than the available alternative. I'm not comfortable letting 90% of the inhabitants of the country teach their own kids basic education. I think that would lead to much worse situations. Also consider you (I'm assuming) and me and a lot of people like us are products of the public education system, yet here we are talking about it's obvious flaws. Shit like this reminds me of The Matrix... how did your red pill taste?
unfortunately they will now, even felonsEven the army won't take that guy.
unfortunately they will now, even felons
Or Neo-Nazi's!
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...-nazi-kills-four-himself-in-shooting-rampage/
"When Ready ran for Mesa City Council in 2006, he made headlines that March when he fired a pistol at a Latino man armed with a BB gun, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. His campaign came to an end, after it came to light that Ready had been discharged from Marine Corps after a court martial."
My son was going to public school, the same school I attended 25 years earlier. We had excellent teachers there who really knew their jobs and were dedicated to our getting an education back then. In 6th grade I had algebra and began learning chemistry. In the 7th grade my son was just learning division and had no knowledge of what chemical elements even were. So I met with the principal and teachers, I was sorely dissapointed, this was more like a jail than a school. After speaking with the school board members and other parents I decided to enroll him in a private school. In a short time he was really getting a good education and interested in learning the subjects. His grades were always good, but that is no real way to measure the education he was getting. A childs education is not just the responsibility of the school system. If I just dropped him off there and expected him to get a good education without helping with his homework and talking to him about the subjects, having him show me in his schoolbooks where he was, he would have not gotten much out of it at all. I got the impression from the public school - teachers and staff, that they really weren't interested in teaching these kids either from frustration or laziness I dont know. 30 plus students per teacher is too much, too many kids for one person to keep track of. I couldn't do it. His class in private school was half the size and his teachers all have assistants. All I know is in private school he is getting a good education and in public school he was not. My property taxes are high because of the school district and now I pay thousands more for my childs education. However his education is of great value to me and whats a good education worth anyway?
OK, now what if there were no private schools, what would you have done? I venture the same as all the other parents in your community who care and are able to pay the private tuition, Organize and change the public system???
If I have kids ever, they will be taught by me and socialized through sports etc. However, I do believe if the community values a good true education, then it is possible. Moses said he got a great education 25 years ago and my guess is it is because communities were smaller and more tight knit then. I got a stellar if not completely accurate(in the subjective studies) education myself 18 years ago but my town is still circa 1950, the teachers were our friends' parents and our parents' friends. Everyone keeps very busy maling sure everyone else is doing thier job and no one is shy to condemn... not a fun place to live but a top notch, prep school quality education due to communtity involvement.I don't think so. The whole schooling system is wrong. It goes against how humans learn. I support almost the notion of unschooling, but not quite.