Are there any religious tokers out there?

OK, this seems like an amusing conversation. I'm going to have to catch up on all the posts. Hope you don't mind an observer.

NietzscheKeen said:

OK, this seems like an amusing conversation. I'm going to have to catch up on all the posts. Hope you don't mind an observer.

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Great, now you've altered the outcome.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Zaehet Strife said:

I am not saying you are certainly wrong about astral projection, i am trying to help you understand that your eagerness to be certain that it is real only depicts your desperation that it be certainly true. I don't remember calling anyone a coward. I merely stated that i think some people live their lives more courageously than others. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I love thinking, i love writing and i love sharing my opinion. I tried to explain to you that i don't see myself any higher or lower than anyone else, more courageous in thought maybe, but no more special or unique... and i am not insinuating anyone else is a coward, like i've explained before... we all give meaning and purpose to our lives the best way we can whether it be unseen forces, or our children, family and friends. We all want to be happy, and we all do our best to live life in a way where we experience the least amount of fear, suffering and pain. We all do our best to understand what is going on right now, there is no "right or wrong" path. All i ask for people to do, for those who would be a real seeker of truth, to at least once in their life they doubt, as far as possible, all things.

How can we trust our minds if we can't even figure out whether or not this reality is a dream or not? When anyone becomes solidly certain of anything supernatural or metaphysical, it only depicts their desperation that it be true. If it was true, and it is a part of whatever this reality is... then it should be easy to show me. I'm not saying you are wrong, but that your certainty that it is true gives you away.

It should be easy, if millions are astral projecting, for at least one master to come visit me sometime and tell me what i say at a certain time of the day right?

Here, now you'll have my grumpy old face to put behind all of my thread replies.

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I understand that this all could be a simulation or someones dream and the afterlife is just the next level of that simulation or a dream within a dream, but how does that make these experiences any less real? This reality is all that we have so might as well take what we can get from it.

With all the quotes and rants you posted about not knowing, the word "cowardly" was indeed mentioned more than a few times be it by you or one of the people you idolize, along with a few other words of that nature.

For us gnostic-theists to try to admit that there might not be anything metaphysical is like you trying to admit that you might be wrong about it being impossible to know anything metaphysical. Those are our core beliefs, you refuse to doubt one of your core beliefs (it being impossible to know anything metaphysical) and I refuse to doubt the metaphysical side of reality. The only gnostic-theists I see getting moved by your rants of not knowing are the ones that should be too smart for textbook religion anyways. Us gnostic-theists that have done some exploring stand firm in our beliefs. Based on what we've researched and experienced, I think we would be lying to ourselves if we doubted those core beliefs about "god" and the afterlife.

Also, sexy plants.

Chief Walkin Eagle said:

For us gnostic-theists to try to admit that there might not be anything metaphysical is like you trying to admit that you might be wrong about it being impossible to know anything metaphysical.

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The thing is bro, i have enough courage to know and accept that i might be wrong. Where as you refuse to accept the possibility that your thoughts or ideas may be wrong. If someone were to show me a miracle, if god were to grant me the power of flight, if i saw time reverse itself and watch a dead animal come back to life. If someone were to astral project on me and tell me exactly what i was doing a certain time of the day. If i were to see a ghost and speak with one. I could keep this list going and going.

These are all possibilities. But none of them have happened to me, so i remain unconvinced and i suspend my judgement until something happens to sway me in one way or another.

I need more than an experience within a dream. I need more than the hearsay from someone else's experience. I need more than a coincidental occurrence. I need more because i accept the fallibility of my mind, and it's tendency to fool itself when my emotions take control whether it be fear, hope or love.

You shouldn't have to stand up for your beliefs, you should believe something because it's true... not because you want it to be, or think it is or feel it is.

Also, i didn't call anyone a coward, you insinuated that yourself. As time passes, i refine the way i speak to people, as i grow older i become more passionate and empathetic... it may have been something i have said in the past, but not in this thread.

Zaehet Strife said:

The thing is bro, i have enough courage to know and accept that i might be wrong. Where as you refuse to accept the possibility that your thoughts or ideas may be wrong. If someone were to show me a miracle, if god were to grant me the power of flight, if i saw time reverse itself and watch a dead animal come back to life. If someone were to astral project on me and tell me exactly what i was doing a certain time of the day. If i were to see a ghost and speak with one. I could keep this list going and going.

These are all possibilities. But none of them have happened to me, so i remain unconvinced and i suspend my judgement until something happens to sway me in one way or another.

I need more than an experience within a dream. I need more than the hearsay from someone else's experience. I need more than a coincidental occurrence. I need more because i accept the fallibility of my mind, and it's tendency to fool itself when my emotions take control whether it be fear, hope or love.

You shouldn't have to stand up for your beliefs, you should believe something because it's true... not because you want it to be, or think it is or feel it is.

Also, i didn't call anyone a coward, you insinuated that yourself. As time passes, i refine the way i speak to people, as i grow older i become more passionate and empathetic... it may have been something i have said in the past, but not in this thread.

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mehj. in all fairness i gotta side with the other guys on this one...

Zaehet Strife said:

< &#8220;There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.&#8221;

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when you dip all the way down to "contemptible" thats pretty harsh, and "cannnot face the perils of life" would give the strong impression of calling somebody a coward.

i gotta say this wasnt quite a foul, , but you did sweep the leg a little. i would give you a warning, and next time take a point away.

alright. back to your positions...


LET THE KUMITE' RESUME!!!!!!


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Ah... intellectual integrity. It brightens this very dreary day.

Also, LMFAO at your recent comment Dr. Kynes.

Does this make me Schrodinger or the Cat? Like Heisenberg... I'm uncertain.

NietzscheKeen said:

Ah... intellectual integrity. It brightens this very dreary day.

Also, LMFAO at your recent comment Dr. Kynes.

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dont even start frontin son.

you just love Eye Of The Tiger.

you're fooling no-one.

we all love this song. it's what happens when your testicles descend.

Dr Kynes said:

dont even start frontin son.

you just love Eye Of The Tiger.

you're fooling no-one.

we all love this song. it's what happens when your testicles descend.

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Shhiiitt, I was lovin' that song when my sack was young and tight with only a peppering of pubes. Youngins

That's why I like you guys. You know how to make me laugh AND feel a little violated... all at the same time!


(p.s. you've only been on here a year and you already have over 5,000 posts?! You must have a lot to say, lol.
Regardless, posting that much in a year deserves a . That's like 15 posts a day!!!)

Dr Kynes said:

dont even start frontin son.

you just love Eye Of The Tiger.

you're fooling no-one.

we all love this song. it's what happens when your testicles descend.

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Not gonna lie. I spent the last 4:11 rocking out. Just listening to this song is known to make you slightly manlier. It's the musical equivalent of a John Wayne western.

Ok... back on topic!

NietzscheKeen said:

That's why I like you guys. You know how to make me laugh AND feel a little violated... all at the same time!


(p.s. you've only been on here a year and you already have over 5,000 posts?! You must have a lot to say, lol.
Regardless, posting that much in a year deserves a . That's like 15 posts a day!!!)

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insomnia and a part time job will give you a lot of time to kill.

especially between harvests. it's not like i can exhort my plants to grow faster.

now if i had a magic prayer hankie....

OK OK. I have to admit. I had a magic prayer hankie once, lol. Benny Hinn was supposed to have prayed over it. I used to be so gullible.
Luckily I searched for the truth and found it. It's sometimes scary, but if you are dedicated to it... you'll eventually be ok with it.
Zaehet knows I like to use metaphors sometimes... here is my metaphor for people that insincerely "seek the truth" and wind up accidently finding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrw3NnoSuM

lol, or maybe it's like the people that only see a little bit or understand a little bit of evolution etc and try to get it to go away. Idk

NietzscheKeen said:

OK OK. I have to admit. I had a magic prayer hankie once, lol. Benny Hinn was supposed to have prayed over it. I used to be so gullible.
Luckily I searched for the truth and found it. It's sometimes scary, but if you are dedicated to it... you'll eventually be ok with it.
Zaehet knows I like to use metaphors sometimes... here is my metaphor for people that insincerely "seek the truth" and wind up accidently finding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrw3NnoSuM

lol, or maybe it's like the people that only see a little bit or understand a little bit of evolution etc and try to get it to go away. Idk

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aww man, Benny Hinn. for a second i though that said Benny Hill and i was pumped.

Dr Kynes said:

when you dip all the way down to "contemptible" thats pretty harsh, and "cannnot face the perils of life" would give the strong impression of calling somebody a coward.

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As i had quotations around the quote, it was old Russell's words, not mine. I just thought it held relevance to the conversation at hand.

I do apologize if it sounded like i was calling someone a coward for believing in supernatural and metaphysical ideas.

NietzscheKeen said:

OK OK. I have to admit. I had a magic prayer hankie once, lol. Benny Hinn was supposed to have prayed over it. I used to be so gullible.
Luckily I searched for the truth and found it. It's sometimes scary, but if you are dedicated to it... you'll eventually be ok with it.
Zaehet knows I like to use metaphors sometimes... here is my metaphor for people that insincerely "seek the truth" and wind up accidently finding it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrw3NnoSuM

lol, or maybe it's like the people that only see a little bit or understand a little bit of evolution etc and try to get it to go away. Idk

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LOL!!!!! AWE....Just like people...HA! HA!

You know, people believed lightening was supernatural and metaphysical for a long time. Most things do take the realm of supernaturalism until they become natural (meaning we understand it).

I mean, take Nikola Telsa away, half of the world probably don't have power or lights. Excuse me, I said prolly. I mean we DONT have either.

Zaehet Strife said:

As i had quotations around the quote, it was old Russell's words, not mine. I just thought it held relevance to the conversation at hand.

I do apologize if it sounded like i was calling someone a coward for believing in supernatural and metaphysical ideas.

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the quotes didnt show up bro. there was a "<" which distracted. i didnt figure out it was a quote till some time later, and i didnt know who it were from. certain REALLY high persons might easily assume you was throwing down the gauntlet...

"Blue Wizard Needs Food Badly" ~Gauntlet

Genesisgrower said:

You know, people believed lightening was supernatural and metaphysical for a long time. Most things do take the realm of supernaturalism until they become natural (meaning we understand it).

I mean, take Nikola Telsa away, half of the world probably don't have power or lights. Excuse me, I said prolly. I mean we DONT have either.

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and the ancient eiru thought swans WERE ACTUALLY STORMS, taking a break from fucking your shit up. they even had a taboo against pissing off a swan, since they would turn back into a hurricane and fuck your shit up even harder.

but those storms/swans were not "supernatural" they were just as much part of their natural world as the mists off the sea from Mannanan Mac Lir's magic cloak, the aurura borealis, which was the shimmering glow of Ard Rhionne's palace far to the north, the turning of the seasons under the direct management of a many made entirely of various foliage and leaves and the mysterious heat, smoke and fire which rises from the ground here and there which are OBVIOUSLY the chimneys of the forges in Glashtin, the big ass industrial park in the underworld.

they did not seperate their world into "explicable", "time to make shit up" and "who the fuck knows!" it was all just believed to operate as they were told by their grandfathers, and THEIR grandfathers and so on. they didnt need categories, it was all under the heading of The Way Things Are. Much in the way modern science doesnt need three categories. there's no "Explained" "Not Yet Explained" and "Dont Even Bother" category, everything is a theory subject to disproving, at any time with almost no notice.


theres science. it includes everything. if something appears to be inexplicabnle, then it will ecventually be explained and it will most likely not have anything to do with swans being storms on vacation...

if you wish to believe in a myth, then do so, i sure as fuck do, but trying to convince others that your myth is fact is a fools errand.

further, if we used tesla's ideas, we would all get free electricity and a giant fat electicity tax regardless of useage. plus we would all be riddled with cancers, radios wouldnt work, and computers would never have been developed.

I am.. I started a thread about similar concept, using pot as part of your prayer life, which I do regularly. Its amazing the opinions you get from people.

Everyone is more than welcome to have an opinion. I have one & mine's as valid as yours