Area 51 - W90 Info Thread

[captainmorgan]

The elusive W-90 spotted in the wild.

 

[momo2015]

Oh yeah that's what I'm talking bout!

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

Nothing just prefer the cree's, they run cooler and have better output per watt and in my opinion if you are going to use LEDs you should get the best on the market at the time because like microprocessors LED's evolve very rapidly.

sure at lower currents once you start driving the Vero a little harder they really pay off either way they still perform better then any HID at this moment personally I've been digging the more intense light with Vero supplemented by the softer driven Cree

 

[Yodaweed]

sure at lower currents once you start driving the Vero a little harder they really pay off either way they still perform better then any HID at this moment personally I've been digging the more intense light with Vero supplemented by the softer driven Cree

You sure they out perform HID? Have you done a side by side with the same genetics / nutrients / environment? I am currently growing with 2 area 51 leds in one area and 3 600w hps in another and each 600w hps easily out performs the two area 51 leds by a large margin. Distance to canopy can be further and larger yields of the same quality buds. Maybe higher gram per watt with the LEDs but overall my harvests are way bigger under a 600w hps than 2 area 51 rw 150's. That's why I was hoping these new LED's would be larger and had a larger foot print but instead they are like a flashlight inside a metal box. They really need to start thinking about people that don't grow in a tiny grow tent, and instead think of the vast majority of growers in legal states that max out the size of the lights due to plant count numbers. Spending thousands of dollars to cover the same area that costs less than 500$ is an unrecoverable loss. You will never get that money back in electrical savings PERIOD. Not to mention that with a single diode system these lights lack the red spectrum. Even the 3k COB's that are offered won't compete with a mixed spectrum LED. Look how much red is in a HPS spectrum. Now think will these LEDs really compete with top of the line duel ended 1kw HPS with spectrally enhanced bulbs? They might but the amount of them you will need will cost so much money it's like throwing money away.

 

[FranJan]

You sure they out perform HID? Have you done a side by side with the same genetics / nutrients / environment? I am currently growing with 2 area 51 leds in one area and 3 600w hps in another and each 600w hps easily out performs the two area 51 leds by a large margin. Distance to canopy can be further and larger yields of the same quality buds. Maybe higher gram per watt with the LEDs but overall my harvests are way bigger under a 600w hps than 2 area 51 rw 150's. That's why I was hoping these new LED's would be larger and had a larger foot print but instead they are like a flashlight inside a metal box. They really need to start thinking about people that don't grow in a tiny grow tent, and instead think of the vast majority of growers in legal states that max out the size of the lights due to plant count numbers. Spending thousands of dollars to cover the same area that costs less than 500$ is an unrecoverable loss. You will never get that money back in electrical savings PERIOD. Not to mention that with a single diode system these lights lack the red spectrum. Even the 3k COB's that are offered won't compete with a mixed spectrum LED. Look how much red is in a HPS spectrum. Now think will these LEDs really compete with top of the line duel ended 1kw HPS with spectrally enhanced bulbs? They might but the amount of them you will need will cost so much money it's like throwing money away.

So full of wrong. Really Yoda?

 

[Michael Huntherz]

You sure they out perform HID? Have you done a side by side with the same genetics / nutrients / environment? I am currently growing with 2 area 51 leds in one area and 3 600w hps in another and each 600w hps easily out performs the two area 51 leds by a large margin. Distance to canopy can be further and larger yields of the same quality buds. Maybe higher gram per watt with the LEDs but overall my harvests are way bigger under a 600w hps than 2 area 51 rw 150's. That's why I was hoping these new LED's would be larger and had a larger foot print but instead they are like a flashlight inside a metal box. They really need to start thinking about people that don't grow in a tiny grow tent, and instead think of the vast majority of growers in legal states that max out the size of the lights due to plant count numbers. Spending thousands of dollars to cover the same area that costs less than 500$ is an unrecoverable loss. You will never get that money back in electrical savings PERIOD.

I agree with this in part, it isn't a mature product market yet. However they do produce less heat, so there's a benefit some folks desire. I'd want 8 of the new A51 units for a 4x4, minimum. They do grow bomb smoke, and they are arguably less of a fire hazard than HID. People who need AC for their grow area can benefit, depending on the scale of the operation and existing ventilation blah blah blah they may be able to dispense with the AC unit, which improves cost over time, too. I belief maintenance cost will also be improved. However, I ultimately agree the price just isn't quite there yet for LED to be able to really take over. Hopefully that day will come soon.

 

[Yodaweed]

I agree with this in part, it isn't a mature product market yet. However they do produce less heat, so there's a benefit some folks desire. I'd want 8 of the new A51 units for a 4x4, minimum. They do grow bomb smoke, and they are arguably less of a fire hazard than HID. People who need AC for their grow area can benefit, depending on the scale of the operation and existing ventilation blah blah blah they may be able to dispense with the AC unit, which improves cost over time, too. I belief maintenance cost will also be improved. However, I ultimately agree the price just isn't quite there yet for LED to be able to really take over. Hopefully that day will come soon.

My LED's produce enough heat where they need ventilation just like my HID's do. I might be wrong but isn't heat created by all light? You might be right they need less AC but they still need some type of heat removal if growing in an enclosed space.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

My LED's produce enough heat where they need ventilation just like my HID's do. I might be wrong but isn't heat created by all light? You might be right they need less AC but they still need some type of heat removal if growing in an enclosed space.

Oh yeah, I know they produce heat, heck, the shit lights I'm running make as much heat as a 400W HPS and don't quite hit 400 watts, haha.
Light radiation always produces heat, totally right, but it seems good ventilation of the heated air is all that's needed beyond a decent heatsink and computer fan for a lot of situations, houses without AC in SoCal and such. I think greater efficiency also implies less heat radiation per watt by definition, right? My brain fu is weak at the moment. I'm a morning person.

 

[alesh]

The elusive W-90 spotted in the wild.

So there's no lens/reflector/cover over the LES? One can actually touch it?

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

You sure they out perform HID? Have you done a side by side with the same genetics / nutrients / environment? I am currently growing with 2 area 51 leds in one area and 3 600w hps in another and each 600w hps easily out performs the two area 51 leds by a large margin. Distance to canopy can be further and larger yields of the same quality buds. Maybe higher gram per watt with the LEDs but overall my harvests are way bigger under a 600w hps than 2 area 51 rw 150's. That's why I was hoping these new LED's would be larger and had a larger foot print but instead they are like a flashlight inside a metal box. They really need to start thinking about people that don't grow in a tiny grow tent, and instead think of the vast majority of growers in legal states that max out the size of the lights due to plant count numbers. Spending thousands of dollars to cover the same area that costs less than 500$ is an unrecoverable loss. You will never get that money back in electrical savings PERIOD. Not to mention that with a single diode system these lights lack the red spectrum. Even the 3k COB's that are offered won't compete with a mixed spectrum LED. Look how much red is in a HPS spectrum. Now think will these LEDs really compete with top of the line duel ended 1kw HPS with spectrally enhanced bulbs? They might but the amount of them you will need will cost so much money it's like throwing money away.

well no shit 300w of similar efficient light isnt going to compete with 600w. Second i think cobs have a better spectrum for our needs. Last you've been here longer then me and you've refused to learn anything you just keep running your lopsided comparison runs I've been pulling down the same pound every month now for about a year and i use a little over 100w less then my old ushio. It's whatever to each their own but i honestly believe if you get a half pound of ganja from a $1000 setup you've made your money back it's mostly making a profit from there

 

[Yodaweed]

well no shit 300w of similar efficient light isnt going to compete with 600w. Second i think cobs have a better spectrum for our needs. Last you've been here longer then me and you've refused to learn anything you just keep running your lopsided comparison runs I've been pulling down the same pound every month now for about a year and i use a little over 100w less then my old ushio. It's whatever to each their own but i honestly believe if you get a half pound of ganja from a $1000 setup you've made your money back it's mostly making a profit from there

I'm all ear's please enlighten me about what I have refused to learn because I thought I had experimented with pretty much every type of growing on the market (hydro, bio, combination of both) and used more light sources than most people on these forums have (cfl, hps, 3 different leds from different companies, the sun, reptile bulbs, t5 , metal halide, induction) so I thought I was pretty confident on giving my opinion but I guess I was wrong and wait to hear you preach. And according to the grow bible, the marijuana horticulture book and many other sources around half the wattage of HID is suppose to produce the same weight with LEDs.

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

IAnd according to the grow bible, the marijuana horticulture book and many other sources around half the wattage of HID is suppose to produce the same weight with LEDs.

this statement here really shows you've put no time or effort into understanding what the marvelous people have done here. You need to wake up we are in 2015 we don't fuck around with "snake oil" here

 

[OneHitDone]

I even disagree with you @Yodaweed but you're nowhere near the asshole that other guy is, yeesh.

Old disco blurple LED maybe, but not modern COBs. Sort of the reverse nowadays. Within the next six months I'm going to start a 400W HID to COB comparison grow, in a 4x4 tent, clones, same nutes etc.

Who grows with 400W HID? Those aren't even known to lay down the lm/watt
Why not a 600?

 

[KarmaPaymentPlan]

Who grows with 400W HID? Those aren't even known to lay down the lm/watt
Why not a 600?

why don't you do it?It's a standard 400w face off and you still need to complain because you already know the results

 

[The Dawg]

Who grows with 400W HID? Those aren't even known to lay down the lm/watt
Why not a 600?

I Will Break out My 400 Watt Cmh A Mexican Boy And A Goat And I Will Still Kick Your Azz And Send You Home On The Goat Crying To Yo Momma.
Oh Don't Forget The Onion

Oh Hell My Bad You Cant Ride Home On A Bowl Of Goat

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Who grows with 400W HID? Those aren't even known to lay down the lm/watt
Why not a 600?

A) I didn't know the lm/W was bad on 400 HID, owing to the fact I don't grow with HID.
2 or whatever number we're on now) I have a 400W rig I was gifted sitting in storage.
III) it is a fair comparison of efficiency that I can afford in a short timeline, on a scale that makes sense for an individual grower.

• I bet I could crush a 600W HID setup with 432W of COBs running @ 3500k, you may have inspired me to do just that.

I ain't mad.

 

[swagslayer420]

I ordered 9 3000k w90's and gonna put them in a 4x4 and do a face-off with a 1000W DE in another 4x4..... We shall see!!

 

[BigYellowCob]

Holy crap! @mc130p, you're back! Good to see you.



Anyone else here ever brew their own beer? I have about 36 gallons of various brews, brewing. Hard ciders, and regular beers. Fun times.

Cool, nice to see other members who brew as well as grow. I've been slacking off on brewing during the hot NorCal summer, but once it cools off I'll be brewing a bunch to resupply the beer pipeline. It's too hard to chill the wort when the garage temp is 100 and the tap water temp is 85 degrees. I used to be in a really large brew club back East, and won a bunch of ribbons in comps there. It is a fun hobby.

 

[Eraserhead]

Yeah, there's not gonna be much brewing at those temps... 85° tap water has to suck. Mine's pretty hot, but not quite that hot. I run my ACs pretty hard though, it's a consistent 67° in all my buildings. Great for brewing.

I've added some new fermenters, I have 48 gallons brewing right now. All but 6 of them are ciders. 6 gallons of pear cider, 36 gallons of various apple ciders, and 6 gallons of ale.

Brewing is as addicting as growing. I just bought a bunch of cool bottling stuff and fancy yeasts.

I have these 32oz bottles on the way, 24 of them:

And a few of these 2L growlers:

The growler is for my 20% alcohol apple wine. That stuff will be insane.

Cool, nice to see other members who brew as well as grow. I've been slacking off on brewing during the hot NorCal summer, but once it cools off I'll be brewing a bunch to resupply the beer pipeline. It's too hard to chill the wort when the garage temp is 100 and the tap water temp is 85 degrees. I used to be in a really large brew club back East, and won a bunch of ribbons in comps there. It is a fun hobby.

 

[momo2015]

very nice!