Atheism

robert 14617

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lol I'll bring the weed. :leaf:

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Guys, you couldn't ask for a nicer guy to critique Christianity. Here you go. I would love for some of the believers to answer the question posed at the end of this video!
no one willing to comment on the video?
 
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PadawanBater

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So what? You put that little dude smiling with the big doobie in his mouth. That's annoying. Padwanbater writes all of his posts in green. That's annoying. You can't be serious bro. :roll:

Sorry Pad, I was just using you as an example.
lol, no prob. I do that so people automatically recognize it's my post. I went with orange first, but that was waaaay more annoying! lol.

I guess one of the few things I can give credit to Vi for.

no one willing to comment on the video?
That bit at the end, specifically about dismissing parts of the bible then accepting other bits is what I'm interested in. How they justify it, what processes of elimination they go through, etc... Like profMTH said, every believer must come to terms with that decision at some point...

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Wow. Is this caller thick.
Atheist he may be. Rational, he is not.
lol, see guys, rationality is not required to be an atheist...
 

Woodstock.Hippie

New Member
"That bit at the end, specifically about dismissing parts of the bible then accepting other bits is what I'm interested in. How they justify it, what processes of elimination they go through, etc... Like profMTH said, every believer must come to terms with that decision at some point..."

IT can pick and choose, Right?

Or, must IT all be taken at the face value Humansity is provided?

 
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PadawanBater

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"That bit at the end, specifically about dismissing parts of the bible then accepting other bits is what I'm interested in. How they justify it, what processes of elimination they go through, etc... Like profMTH said, every believer must come to terms with that decision at some point..."

IT can pick and choose, Right?

Or, must IT all be taken at the face value Humansity is provided?
Well, the way I see it is either the bible is 100% the word of God, coming directly from his mouth, which would mean it's perfect in every way (as that's what God is and cannot be anything but perfect), or it isn't, and it was written by men who believed they were communicating with God. It's either/or, it cannot be both.

So with that, if you accept it as true, the word of God, then you must accept all of it, the entire NT along with the OT.

If it's not, then why base your morality on it at all, why be Christian at all?


The video outlines this entire description a lot better, if you didn't watch it it might help you understand it more clearly if I'm not making any sense. (little stoned, 6:30am.. lol)
 

growwwww

Well-Known Member
So what? You put that little dude smiling with the big doobie in his mouth. That's annoying. Padwanbater writes all of his posts in green. That's annoying. You can't be serious bro. :roll:

Sorry Pad, I was just using you as an example.
Aite chap chill out, was just having a lil gas at you, jam it. And if you find the green writing annoying, then okay...you find it annoying.

Also that video about liberal and moderate christianity would theologists not argue that some parts are more relevant today? And that if they took it for its absolute meaning some parts would just completely ruin their lives as they would be imprisoned and whatever. And they would probably quote something about if its lief or death situation you can dismiss parts? Im pretty sure thats what they would say, or if i remember rightly from high school thats what i was told -_-
 

doc111

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Aite chap chill out, was just having a lil gas at you, jam it. And if you find the green writing annoying, then okay...you find it annoying.

Also that video about liberal and moderate christianity would theologists not argue that some parts are more relevant today? And that if they took it for its absolute meaning some parts would just completely ruin their lives as they would be imprisoned and whatever. And they would probably quote something about if its lief or death situation you can dismiss parts? Im pretty sure thats what they would say, or if i remember rightly from high school thats what i was told -_-
It's all good bro. I was just trying to make a point. Some don't like their ideas challenged and they lash out by criticizing petty things about their challenger. That's kinda what it seemed like you were doing. Don't worry though, I didn't get that worked up about it. ;-)
 

doc111

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Well, the way I see it is either the bible is 100% the word of God, coming directly from his mouth, which would mean it's perfect in every way (as that's what God is and cannot be anything but perfect), or it isn't, and it was written by men who believed they were communicating with God. It's either/or, it cannot be both.

So with that, if you accept it as true, the word of God, then you must accept all of it, the entire NT along with the OT.

If it's not, then why base your morality on it at all, why be Christian at all?


The video outlines this entire description a lot better, if you didn't watch it it might help you understand it more clearly if I'm not making any sense. (little stoned, 6:30am.. lol)
This is one of the issues I have with the Bible as well. It was written by men. Supposedly these men were prophets and received the words from god. How can we know this? And don't forget there are many, many scrolls which weren't contained in the bible. They are still finding these scrolls. So that tells me that the bible could be incomplete. Keep in mind that things aren't always black and white though. Life conains a LOT of gray areas. :weed:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Many things have been tossed out at the very beginning of the Bible's inception... knowingly.

It is certainly NOT the word of G*D. Don't forget that until recently, the church taught and insisted that the Bible is indeed perfect and the true word.

So why the change? Why change if it's true?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ .... that's why.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Many things have been tossed out at the very beginning of the Bible's inception... knowingly.

It is certainly NOT the word of G*D. Don't forget that until recently, the church taught and insisted that the Bible is indeed perfect and the true word.

So why the change? Why change if it's true?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ .... that's why.
Seems like it always comes down to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ doesn't it? :-(
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Dont be so silly!!! These people are purely doing it because they know the mening of life and have greater knowledge and understand of the life to come!!!:dunce:
You are gonna disagree with that????????? Then why is the Catholic Church the richest corporation on the planet (I think it's actually Exxon-Mobil but the church is right there)? :confused:
 

growwwww

Well-Known Member
You are gonna disagree with that????????? Then why is the Catholic Church the richest corporation on the planet (I think it's actually Exxon-Mobil but the church is right there)? :confused:
Dude im joking and being sarcastic... i sometimes forget that it doesnt convey so well over the internet :lol:
 

shnkrmn

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This is one of the issues I have with the Bible as well. It was written by men. Supposedly these men were prophets and received the words from god. How can we know this? And don't forget there are many, many scrolls which weren't contained in the bible. They are still finding these scrolls. So that tells me that the bible could be incomplete. Keep in mind that things aren't always black and white though. Life conains a LOT of gray areas. :weed:
While it is true that WE are still finding scrolls, it's largely known that the texts we are discovering were well known to the early church fathers. Books like the Gospels of Judas and Jesus are precisely the kinds of texts which were purged from the canon during the formative period of the church because they did not conform to the emerging uniform doctrine. The first major schism of the church dates to this period; it is amazing to me that the eastern and western churches acknowledge each other at all, so great is their difference on a fundamental element of doctrine like the concept of the trinity.

In the early 4th century, the bishops were still deciding whether Jesus was actually god or just filled with god, or a whole heckuva lot like god. They also decided self-castration wasn't in line with church teachings (First Nicaean Council).

Did you know the books of the bible actually contain numerous references to OTHER texts which are not contained within the bible? The traces of a vast ancient library are sprinkled throughout the text we know. Like the Book of the Wars of the Lord, written collaboratively by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel. This book is now entirely lost.

This made me think of how accustomed we are to thinking of the bible in a hermetic sense; i.e. the bible exists within an entirely self-referential space in which texts reflect and are confirmed by other texts within a closed corpus of texts. So these extra-biblical textual references are surprising to learn about. They are so de-emphasized by pastoral practice in favor of the solipsism of scripture.


And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed,until the people had avenged themselves on their enemies.
Is this not written in the Book of the Upright (Sēper haiYāšār)?Joshua 10:13.

The OT is filled with these little nuggets. The NT is purged of any references to texts outside its own canon.

Scholarly Sunday wake and bake:-P. Sorry about the ramble; just sharing.:bigjoint:
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Dude im joking and being sarcastic... i sometimes forget that it doesnt convey so well over the internet :lol:
True. That's why I like the little smiley dudes. They sometimes convey what is being said better than our own choice of words can. Kinda like this...........bongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmilie<< That's me right now. lol!
 

shnkrmn

Well-Known Member
Dude im joking and being sarcastic... i sometimes forget that it doesnt convey so well over the internet :lol:
You just need to lay it on thicker. It's like being on stage; increase the amplitude of your gestures and project your voice!:dunce:
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
While it is true that WE are still finding scrolls, it's largely known that the texts we are discovering were well known to the early church fathers. Books like the Gospels of Judas and Jesus are precisely the kinds of texts which were purged from the canon during the formative period of the church because they did not conform to the emerging uniform doctrine. The first major schism of the church dates to this period; it is amazing to me that the eastern and western churches acknowledge each other at all, so great is their difference on a fundamental element of doctrine like the concept of the trinity.

In the early 4th century, the bishops were still deciding whether Jesus was actually god or just filled with god, or a whole heckuva lot like god. They also decided self-castration wasn't in line with church teachings (First Nicaean Council).

Did you know the books of the bible actually contain numerous references to OTHER texts which are not contained within the bible? The traces of a vast ancient library are sprinkled throughout the text we know. Like the Book of the Wars of the Lord, written collaboratively by Moses, Joshua and the children of Israel. This book is now entirely lost.

This made me think of how accustomed we are to thinking of the bible in a hermetic sense; i.e. the bible exists within an entirely self-referential space in which texts reflect and are confirmed by other texts within a closed corpus of texts. So these extra-biblical textual references are surprising to learn about. They are so de-emphasized by pastoral practice in favor of the solipsism of scripture.


And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed,until the people had avenged themselves on their enemies.
Is this not written in the Book of the Upright (S&#275;per haiY&#257;š&#257;r)?Joshua 10:13.

The OT is filled with these little nuggets. The NT is purged of any references to texts outside its own canon.

Scholarly Sunday wake and bake:-P. Sorry about the ramble; just sharing.:bigjoint:
This is what fascinates me about biblical history and theology in general. So much interesting stuff to learn about! :bigjoint:
 
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