Kaendar
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and this is exactly why I stay out of this shithole part of RIU. You guys have a fuckin excuse and explanation for everything.
Atheists Are Going To Hell
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Hepheastus420
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Zaehet Strife
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Yea...also we just have opinions... that's it. We debate about them, question them, ask others questions, and do our best (most of us) to keep things civil and not too harsh.Excuse? NO.. Explanation for everything? No..
Different views? Yes
Some people just dislike others opinions sooooo much, that they become offended...(which in my opinion seems absurd to me when speaking about ideas) and resort to writing with intentions not so forgiving.
Doer
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You mentioned Buddhism. The basic tenet is that Illusion, Maya, defines what we call existence beyond Self. There is no reality to what we percieve therefore we can fool ourselves to no end, but that says nothing about re-incarnation.
You would not have known about it unless you were told. And so after being told, you had an experience. So, if that's your thing, fine. No need to preach to me, brother.
You would not have known about it unless you were told. And so after being told, you had an experience. So, if that's your thing, fine. No need to preach to me, brother.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Yeah, because its impossible to know things about god right? Same old song and dance.
Padawanbater2
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How does spirituality use science?
You should make an attempt to refrain from making statements as if they were fact.
How would something that exists not be measurable by science? If it exists, we would be able to measure it.
Again, "God" is not objectively true, and "spirituality" is as vague a term as they come.
And LOL, it's only a trick question to you because you refuse to accept the answer. All you seem to be saying is "nuh uh!" without demonstrating why.
'God' - not objectively true
-same with the after life
'a better grasp on reality' - that's not an objective truth obtained without utilizing the scientific method, it's a subjective opinion
'the consciousness/source field' - ?
'chakras' - ?
???
Can you explain to me why having 'faith' is automatically bad?
Now you're dealing with one of the most basic terms in the debate, one of which has been covered extensively on this board, I've seen it mentioned a dozen times... Agnosticism v. Atheism.
I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't believe a god exists (atheist), but I can't know for sure (agnostic).
Ignorant argument.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Nah man, hes pretty much right. What does it matter to you that he thinks hes right? You just have to give him a dose of YOUR reality? This guy was not insulting in any way what so ever. I can only imagine that you found him offending because he was claiming truth to something that you think is impossible to know. He was speaking more to the average religious person anyways. I thought you were more humble than this.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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You said science cant measure the supernatural, yet you say if it exists then science can measure it? Get your story straight man. You believe science is the only way to determine what exists, your stuck in a bubble of science. Your goals are not to discuss with theists, you want to talk down to them and make them aware of the "fallacies" you think they are making. NO theists listen to you though, none at all, your arguments only serve one purpose and thats the approval of those that already agree with your views, you change nothing in peoples reality. Listen to that voice in the back of your head that says "Why do I even bother?!" and give it up already.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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People like you need to bring balance to this forum.
Doer
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Not insulting? You are off your rock. He exhibits the same Spiritual Ego as yourself. That's why it's not obvious to you.
And your passive aggressive approach to label and then admonish me about humility, is a joke, right? You cast insults, in practically every sentence, so where is the harmony and humility you espouse?
BTW, if you thought I was trying to be humble or holy or spiritual or old-soulish, wise from many lives, some kind of shaman or any other bs, well, I hope that's cleared up for you now. It is all just more religion to me. Only Self Exists.
I experience Self.
Padawanbater2
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Science can't measure anything that's supernatural. If something exists, science can measure it. What does that tell you about things that are supernatural?... ...
Science is the best way to discern reality, you still have yet to produce something better. Keep huffing and puffing though..
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Why is him claiming truth insulting? It seriously bothers you that he claims truth to something that you dont believe in? Hes speaking from personal experience and he has found truth in his personal experience, I have had personal experiences as well and I found truth in them. We're not trying to force things on you, believe what the fuck you want, claim theres only self and no gods, I dont care, Im not gunna get mad at you for your beliefs. It seems every skeptic here is insecure about their beliefs because when a theist claims truth to something they get all butt-hurt and have to show the theists their view of reality. People have experiences that a lot of people never get to have, and those experiences change their lives and view of reality. This guy has outer body experiences and explores different realities with his astral body, hes found truth in that. I met two guys who can read minds and completely enter other peoples bodies, I found truth in what they have to say. He is not insulting, hes expressing what he has learned through his experiences, get over yourself.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Listen to that voice in the back of your head man. You change nothing.
Padawanbater2
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Another familiar conclusion..
I'm not surprised.. We reached a point where you're left with nothing. Again.
This is why I stay in the game, because ignorance doesn't hold up to critical thought. Eventually you break. I'm not interested in changing minds, those that matter will figure it out on their own without my help, but these moments, they're delicious!
I'm not surprised.. We reached a point where you're left with nothing. Again.
This is why I stay in the game, because ignorance doesn't hold up to critical thought. Eventually you break. I'm not interested in changing minds, those that matter will figure it out on their own without my help, but these moments, they're delicious!
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Thats not what the voice in the back of your head is saying lol Im far from broken, why would I be? I've found truth in my experiences, nothing is going to change that.
The only thing that fits into your original question is the supernatural. You say science cannot measure the supernatural, thats supposed to tell me something about the supernatural? No, it tells me that science has limitations, and those that follow it live in a world with limitations, a bubble, if you will. I like to stretch my arms and legs and get comfy, cant really do that in a bubble...
morganmack
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Would you class anyone who has no unshakable belief in an 'allmighty god' that is aware and started the whole universe and everything else an atheist? Because I would class myself as a rationalist who would listen to both sides of an argument whether or not I consciously or subconsciously were more suited or have had experience with one particular belief system. I myself do not discount that as we will probably never understand the whole universe or potentially multi-verse and the dimensions that bind them, there could be a 'god'? I myself doubt that for the reason that apart from the bible that was written by man no event or thing has happened or intervened or made any signal of existence or communication. In the bible god seems to communicate and/or act his will and 'plan' out frequently. Thinking along a logical basis, you would most likely assume that it would be highly likely that a similar such event or communication would occur in modern times when some form of media or scholar could have recorded this. I have been asked before, if you do not in fact believe in a literal 'god' then how do you explain the fact the we are, as is the universe. Something must have sparked this surely? After thinking about this the best way to explain a universe without a literal god to spark and create it would probably be if the universe or however large a construct we exist in on a whole, worked in a cyclic nature that way things could have always 'been'. If that makes sense? This is a large reason to why I doubt a 'god' (remember I have never denied there is a god). For the fact the universe can work without having something to spark it all, means there might not be a god. I also have a bit of a hang-up philosophically speaking when the idea of religion seems to me like giving your full lives purpose and will to one being. The fact people actually kneel down on all fours to pray. The fact that people kill in gods name. The fact you see religious leaders all around the world living in massive houses with lots of wealth while their people live with moderate comfort. What I am trying to say is I feel uncomfortable at the idea of in reality owing a being my faith. Why can't I be my own god? The fact that you as a Christian and the bible states that if you do not follow him and give him your undying faith you will literally be tortured for eternity. To me that sounds like the words of an elitist dictator! There is other reasons also that I will not state for times-sake. I invite anyone to comment on any points I have brought up or politely challenge anything I have sayed.
Padawanbater2
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Retard, I've been sitting here the past 5 pages asking you to provide me with the way you "stretch your arms and legs" to discern reality without using the scientific method. You've been ducking and dodging and avoiding the question ever since.
So, to be frank, put the fuck up or shut the fuck up with your nonsense.
I'm stuck in my little bubble, so enlighten me, what tools do you use that are outside the box? What am I missing in my tiny confined corner of reality that can be verified?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They're yes men with cleft palates, the poor dears. cn
Chief Walkin Eagle
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I've been giving you the answer every single time. The only thing that fits into your question is the supernatural, you reject the supernatural so theres really no point. I take what I know to exist (things to do with spirituality) and I am open to the information that I find that corresponds with what I already know. The whole world doesnt need to agree with it for it to be true, thats stupid. If you are not satisfied with that answer then Im sorry, I dont know what to tell ya man. Listen to that voice in the back of your head, save yourself some stress and treat me like the lost cause you think I am.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Orgasmic chemistry 101. Lab next week. cnWith science you can make various forms of alcohol. Most of which will make the panties fall off of the vagina.