tangerinegreen555
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And there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a perfect world, you take all the progress you can get.
Nobody gets everything, we work towards the greater good.
Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US
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Nobody gets everything, we work towards the greater good.
UncleBuck
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unless, of course, you paid mrs. Y the full $16 while david was away at snitch camp. then you got everything. the full experience.
tangerinegreen555
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The fact that all he could scrape up was $20 is actually pretty amusing. You should see the comment he sent along with it. lol
Padawanbater2
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Where is your evidence?
The polls show, on the policy positions, the majority of Americans support progressive policies
No she didn't, that was lip service to placate progressives, just like the transition team and DNC Chair election. Establishment Democrats are in desperation mode at the moment trying to push the image of unity among the progressive wing and establishment wing of the Democratic party. Meanwhile opposition movements have gained massive public support both in time and resources. Hear me now, quote me later, corporatism is over. This is the beginning of the end for the candidates you support who accept corporate bribes. They're going to be primaried, they're going to lose and you will have nothing left but failed political predictions and a bruised ego.
Neither supported progressive interests
londonfog
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Well we will never know if she really meant to give that 15 an hour, because we have Trump. Bernie believe she would. He was with her in the end. He stood up and gave a speech about how he so much wanted her to win. What I find really funny is that Hillary started at 12, which is still wayyyyyy more that Trump would. What you do for a living ?
You never answered what you do for insurance ?
Padawanbater2
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Like I told you before, Sanders can endorse whoever he wants, I'm not some drone who does everything Sanders says or does. He endorsed Clinton to appease the inevitable criticism people like you would have levied against him; that if he didn't it would have been his fault she lost the election. And look, even though he endorsed her, you still have moderate morons claiming as much, like DipshitNinja just a page or two back.
He doesn't endorse her, his fault she lost. He does endorse her, his fault she lost. So instead of falling for that bullshit, Sanders endorsed her, she still lost and would you look at that, Sanders is the most popular politician in America and Clinton and the Democratic party have lower approval ratings than Donald Trump and Mike Pence...
That's how you play politics.
As for my insurance program or how much I make or what I do for a living, I won't be giving you or anyone else with a known history of doxing any of that information. I know it's tough for someone like you to believe that there are actually people out there earning a living wage who still hold the capacity for empathy for those that don't. You can believe whatever you want about my income and insurance coverage, your beliefs don't alter the merit of any of my arguments you've yet to address.
londonfog
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now you know damn well I'm not about to read all that shit. I scammed until I saw the word insurance, so I can only answer that.
I was not asking what fucking Walmart you worked at, but you did answer as much as I needed to know. There was a reason why you wanted 15 an hour so bad.
I have Kaiser from my wifes job. I could have had Cigna but decided wifes way was better. Nothing for me changes with Trumps bullshit Trumpcare as long as they keep existing conditions/children until 26...or at least 24. So far so good on that. They keeping those.
What about you ?
Padawanbater2
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Right, because $15 is a living wage in most areas in the US. I actually support a living wage, be it above or below $15/hour, indexed to inflation. Why do you believe that's at all controversial? I believe someone working 40 hours a week should be able to provide for themselves (rent/food/water/bare basics) without resorting to government welfare programs, do you?
Kaiser
londonfog
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Hey I'm all for 12 and hour but Bernie did convince me and Hillary that 15 an hour should be done. Too bad we have Trump.
What others things of Bernie did you like. Do you like his new home ? 575,000 lake front. I think he is about to retire soon. Kick back and reminisce on how he changed the election.
Padawanbater2
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There's a very specific reason people don't criticize Sanders on his policy positions; because they can't. So they bring up how much money he has (or how little depending on the point attempting to be made), they bring up the fact he has multiple houses seemingly forgetting the fact he lives in Vermont, works in DC and had a house donated to him by a deceased relative.. Or he wrote an uncontroversial piece about sexuality 40 years ago.. literally anything to obfuscate the fact that he's right on the issues and can't be effectively challenged.
I'm taking a play from Bernie on this one. You want to talk about policy, I'll be happy to entertain it. But these bullshit attempts at Kardashian politics are a waste of my time. You wanna buckle down and get to work and ensure Donald Trump and the Republicans don't destroy our country, your actions from this point on will show that. If you'd rather just complain about progressives, don't waste your time.
UncleBuck
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we tried to stop that before it got started but you were too busy making threads about why hillary was coughing.
Padawanbater2
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No you didn't. You helped prop up a failed candidate after you were told this would happen. You perpetuated the disaster and refused to acknowledge legitimate dissent. Now you're refusing to acknowledge the actual problem and insist on doubling down on a confirmed losing strategy expecting different results.
UncleBuck
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our candidate was so bad that she beat bernie sanders 55-43, winning by over 4 million votes.
here's where you claim it was super ultra mega rigged because donna brazile talked about possible debate topics and some mid level staffers tried to get some favorable press, otherwise known as normal campaign operations.
ttystikk
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I'm just right about this.
You wouldn't know a punchline if it gave you a bloody nose.
londonfog
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Calm down Mildred. My talk about his new 575,000 lake front home is just me saying the guy is about to kick back and retire and do some fishing. WOW that really got your twat hot. I think Bernie deserve this home. The place in DC is a Condo. The home in Burlington is a nice, but neighbors still too close. I say he retires to the lake front. So what other things of Bernie did you like, since he can never be, might as well talk what he could have done if he would have won
ttystikk
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Bernie win 22 states and was running against Clinton in closed primaries.
There's no way that isn't an impressive achievement.
And you're just another one of many establishment Democrats who refused to debate Bernie supporters ON THE ISSUES, because you can't win that debate.
So back to meaningless statistics you go.
UncleBuck
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why would i debate bernie supporters? we have the exact same beliefs on the issues.
one thing you guys don't seem to want to talk about though is washington state. bernie won the caucus there and got the delegates, bigly.
then they had a meaningless primary where more people got to participate and make their voices heard, and hillary won that, bigly.
she didn't get as many delegates as bernie in WA, despite having more support there.
rigged?
Fogdog
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Evidence?
The polls where people elect their government. The polls you read are like tea leaves. Oh sure there is a set of questions answered and you have divined their meaning. But the only answer to a question that matters is who decides and that is done in he ballot box.
You read those polls like a hopeful innocent listens to their teenage crush for signs of reciprocation.. I'm sorry but that raver you had your eye on didn't really say they like you. You interpret "good morning" for something altogether different from what they said. You will get turned down when you finally get your nerve up and ask.
I'm not saying we should give up on our goals, I'm just saying that progressives and the left are a minority and don't call the shots. Doesn't mean we are wrong, doesn't mean the majority can't eventually be convinced.