BHO with Vacuum oil/wax tutorial

Guzias1 said:

yummy!

sour d be much lighter on the color, interesting..

my OG runs tend to be a shade dark, but still pretty..

soo..

did you continue the heat at 120F in the chamber? or was that only prior to chamber?

howd you go abouts doing this? you can explain in detail down to how early you harvested (if so) to how you dried.. all info helps us all out :]

would like to know from start to finish, then i'll throw in some feed back :]

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Thanks for looking in Guz.

I did not heat while vac purge overnight. My chamber is acrylic so when I put it on top of a Pyrex and put the Pyrex on the electric heating element I have, it started to melt so I removed it. ran cold overnight

prior to that i ran shout purges (1 hour / 1/2 hour / 2 hours etc...r) then heat in water bath then back in purge

My material I used was sugar trim from a few harvests ago mixed with lower popcorn buds. Ratio was about 50/50. all in all the trim and popcorn probably dried on the rack for a week and a half or two weeks before I weighed it up for wax-making. I would say the stuff was maybe a month old but not any older.

I used 1 can of butane per 1 oz of material plus one can.

blasted onto a baking matt, put mat on Pyrex and Pyrex in water bath to heat, scrapped off matt and onto parchment paper, then started purging, and heating, purging, heating

Last two nights were the longest I have purged yet (6 hours each night)

wow.. interesting shit.. makes me want to experiment.. thank you very much for the details! im wondering what the hell makes it wax still..

maybe if.. dang, i dunno, hgsswajfoefnrewkblv.ncas thanks again! i still fill semi lost with this art :[

well... man does my wax ever taste like shit compared to the stuff I didnt have in the chamber as long.

you guys notice how shitty wax tastes yet compared to shatter or sap that was only vacced for 6 hours or so??? my wax that was in there for 7 - 14 days def lost a lot of flavor when I smoke shatter after wax... or wax after shatter.

the shatter tastes like bud
the wax tastes like bong water/the reclaim thats in the bong. gross.

vacpurge said:

well... man does my wax ever taste like shit compared to the stuff I didnt have in the chamber as long.

you guys notice how shitty wax tastes yet compared to shatter or sap that was only vacced for 6 hours or so??? my wax that was in there for 7 - 14 days def lost a lot of flavor when I smoke shatter after wax... or wax after shatter.

the shatter tastes like bud
the wax tastes like bong water/the reclaim thats in the bong. gross.

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I believe it's the lighter more flavorful oils/terpenes lost as the oils begin to wax.
My last VK shatter was so rock hard and the most flavorful yet.

I actually used a glass turkey baster and less than 1 can when i extracted the VK, only 1 coffee filter at end of baster. Winterized for 48hrs, filtered with one more coffee filter to remove solids(could have used 2 filters or rewinterized but still result was bomb). Vacuumed on pyrex til no bubble @95F increased to 110-120F for last little bit. Total vac time was about 4hrs. Scraped and smoked a little later.
I knew it was gonna be great shatter when it was slightly difficult to scrape at 95F and by the time i went to scrape one blade with another the oil was already stiff and would break off the blade.

I guess i purge as thin as i can for as short of time as i can, maybe figure out the MAX amount of oil you can purge in your chamber in thin film and have the bubbles stop less than 3-4hrs.

I'm very busy but it would be awesome to see someone perform a series of weights and times...maybe even graph it out haha i don't give a shit i just don't have time and probably wont even be blasting for a while.
Doing a lot of growing and waiting right now...


Also along with wax not tasting quite as good to some ppl, i think it can also lose some of it's heady effects the drier it gets.

The guy who gets it from me prefers it to be on the verge waxing or even tell me to perma goo it so it's easier to dab...whatever you prefer really

Here's Thursdays 22.4 g cookie of 6 oz of a buddys trim which was mostly all bud

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Might be worth it to some of you in need of a camera. Its a 24hr sale so don't be confused when you check out woot days from now.

Finally all caught up, this has been like watching a soap opera for me, the ups and downs, the good times the bad times, the trolls and the magic, even explosions and hot chicks... Nice to meet you all here in the future.

So I'm gonna ask you guys as you all seem pretty well versed on this whole concentrate thing. I've been making alcohol extractions for close to a year now with what I consider great results. I've told you guys about a few, I may or may not have posted any pics on this thread. If not I guess here you go.



Anyway whats the point of winterizing butane extracts? My alcohol washes have been completely clean as far as I can tell...no sizzle, popping, flashing, or any kind of wierd taste. I've let several people that are very experianced with extracts dab mine and have been told they taste great and are very smooth. So I guess what I'm getting at is why are you guys going through all the work of blasting butane to then just turn around and do an alcohol wash. Maybe I'm missing something completely, and I'm not trying to be rude or piss anyone off. It just seems like your doing twice as much work then you need to.

Thundercat said:

Anyway whats the point of winterizing butane extracts? My alcohol washes have been completely clean as far as I can tell...no sizzle, popping, flashing, or any kind of wierd taste. I've let several people that are very experianced with extracts dab mine and have been told they taste great and are very smooth. So I guess what I'm getting at is why are you guys going through all the work of blasting butane to then just turn around and do an alcohol wash. Maybe I'm missing something completely, and I'm not trying to be rude or piss anyone off. It just seems like your doing twice as much work then you need to.

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a winterized bho blast has a much smoother hit when vaped. also, a well made pure extract tastes, smells, and hits incredibly well.


like super duper potent hits ;]

im in the middle of a batch right now. double winterized it. the fist filtration of waxes took out a good amount.
the 2nd one just a tad.


yup. yup, seeing is believing :]

Damn right. I'm thinking of winterizing twice on the next run.

So you're saying that the winterized BHO is going to be soother then an alcohol wash or then regular BHO? I'm not sure how it gets any smoother then the alcohol washes I've experianced and the CO2 I got to try at the Cannabis cup in denver(big budda seeds booth rock deisel co2 extract mmmmmm). As I mentioned having let some experianced oil heads try the qwiso they noted it was much smoother then the butane oil we dabbed 5 minutes earlier.

I suppose I stated my question wrong in the first place. Rather then why winterize a BHO, cus I guess I get that. The question would be why go through the who BHO process, and then turn around and just do an alcohol wash on it anyway. I really feel like I and others are acheiving very similar results to a winterized BHO with much, much less work by just making qwiso. I do all my washes fast and cold, and only get nice golden oils with between 8-17% return depending on material. I let the wash stay in the freezer a few hours after the initial double filtering, and then filter one more time into my evap dish in the freezer which removes most of the waxes and fats. 24hr evap on top of my dehumidifer in the dark, and I'm left with nothing but golden oils.

Anyway again just trying to understand if there is actually benefits, or if its just a different technique to accomplish the same thing. There are a million ways to grow dank weed, and I'm sure its the same with concentrates. I do really wish I lived some place I could get mine tested though.

A polar/non polar wash is more pure than either separate. Similar to doing an acid/base extraction if you know some chemistry.... butane pulls a lot of plant waxes and lipids so dissolving it in warm ethanol then chilling will precipitate out the waxes and fats and they then can be removed via filtering.. the oil is much smoother after and more potent as well...just doing an qwiso or etoh will give you a polar extraction you then purify by washing with a non polar.. hope I helped. my 2 cents.

I get what your saying about the 2 washes then ya.

So as I'm doing a qwiso run its giving me a polar extraction, what am I supposed to use for a nonpolar wash then after? I've just been doing the alcohol washes, then a though evap. If you wouldn't mind sharing your tech with me qwizo I'd be very interested in learning from an experianced Qwiso artist . Feel free to PM me.

I might have (i might of messed it up though)..... that's kinda the thing butane is trickier to purge and also can contain some waxes so in my opinion you should start with that and then do your polar wash, purging the last of the butane and removing waxes.that's the cheapest way. But hexane is good and can be found pure.I suppose naphtha ( a generic light hydrocarbon mix) could be used I guess.. ethanol isn't as harsh as iso and is best for the polar portion.. iso and hexane are both "lab grade" evaporating completely clean without a residue

take the oil that you think is primo thundercat.

mix it with 10x that amount of everclear. stir it hard, everything WILL dissolve, and your stir stick will be perfectly clean (I use my dabber)

freeze it for 24 hours.

pour through coffee filer.

re evap + a vac purge if you got.

THEN smoke it and realize what truly smooth oil is all about. you gotta try it to believe it.



double winterizing... great idea. my winterized stuff is a hair harsh still.. I am thinking of double winterizing next time, but those damn coffee filters rob so much oil!!!! its frustrating.

The less ethanol you use the better. I add until all is dissolved using heated ethanol too help... if done properly a second wash won't really do anything....imo

so... I think where im failing is the drain time is too long through the filter... it warms up by the time its done and the plant waxes are uncoagulated. could that happen?

I have been doing all my filtering of my alcohol washes after 24 hrs in the freezer, and keeping the filter and all in the freezer while it drips. This will keep it form warming up at all. I will try rewashing some oil just to see what happens, maybe I'll actually be surprised.

I think ISO and everclear are 2 totally different beasts when it comes to removing plant waxes and other things. someone please confirm or correct this please??

They are but both being polar it will work for winterizing though not quite as effectively. You can winterize a iso extraction with ethanol but will have noticeably less contaminates both being polar...heat plays a huge role in the saturation of oil and wax in the etoh the hotter it is before freezing the more you remove its definitely important to stay at that temp or some will re dissolve in the etoh