Black on seeds

stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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ballin174 said:
Didn't you post this on page 2 of the thread?
"My pollinated NYCD is as resiny and potent as the un-pollinated NYCD. So... I guess you're wrong."
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It fucking is man... You think I don't know what I'm talking about.. I'm the one sitting on the shit. You think they're both pollinated but they aren't there isn't even baby seeds in the other. I don't really care. If the plants turned out shit I'd say they turned out shit. They didn't.

You're trying to judge shit by looks alone and THAT ALONE informes me of your experience level.

I think you've done a lot of reading.

Come back when you actually know wtf you're talking about and learn some respect.

Sorry for fight guys, you KNOW he hit a nerve...
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Abe, that comment of yours make's some sense. So does what ballins saying about it too.

The bottom line is that weed has been illegal here for eons, so it's not like universities have been studying it, and we have books full of scientific literature on it. It's all stoners growing the shit out of some pot, and sharing their knowledge. Judging weeds potency was very subjective up until recently when testing labs started becoming main stream.

I have definitely smoked some fire that had seeds in it!
 
Shwagbag

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lol, wow.... I don't know what else to say about where this thread went.. Hey Stump! I was just tracking you down because I'll be flowering some SP here soon. I only popped one fem seed so I'll just plug her into my perpetual. I read that you're going to do another SP run, good choice! Shoot me a message with a link when you get ready, or drop a link in your old thread. I hope it turns out as well as the last one for you.
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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Shwagbag said:
lol, wow.... I don't know what else to say about where this thread went.. Hey Stump! I was just tracking you down because I'll be flowering some SP here soon. I only popped one fem seed so I'll just plug her into my perpetual. I read that you're going to do another SP run, good choice! Shoot me a message with a link when you get ready, or drop a link in your old thread. I hope it turns out as well as the last one for you.
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You hoping for a green or purple pheno? They're both excellent! I have a Purple Haze in flower right now that I started under 12/12, after that it's back to SP. :D
 
Shwagbag

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stumpjumper said:
You hoping for a green or purple pheno? They're both excellent! I have a Purple Haze in flower right now that I started under 12/12, after that it's back to SP. :D
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I'd like to get a purple. If its green I'll still run it again but I'll probably drop another fem seed and see if I can't get a purple out of the pack.
 
mipainpatient

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Not the most scientific site,
http://forum.sensiseeds.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=496
In fact, a close reading implies that they are making this point about pollinated pot:
Once pollination occurs - when a pollen grain adheres to a pistil long enough transfer its genetic information - that calyx will stop producing new resin glands and begin forming a seed.
Therefore, a female flower that has been exposed to more than a few grains of pollen will almost always be less potent than an unpollinated one. Seeded buds also weigh far less once the seeds have been removed. This is why the term Sinsemilla (orsin semilla - without seed) is traditionally applied to high quality cannabis from all over the world.

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First of all, the pollen grain doesnt just adhere and transfer information, the male spore actually goes down the pistil and into the calyx to find the ovary therein. Also, this basically says that a calyx that gets pollinated will stop producing new glands. However, you do not want to pollinate immature calyxes as this can compromise seed quality, and so by waiting until the present calyxes are mature, you pollinate in week 4-5 (this from Subcool, DJshorts, shanti, and others). These pollinated calyxes-yes-will stop producing new glands. But guess what, the new calyxes formed.....they grow new glands. They also address another happenstance:
A female plant at the start of its flowering-cycle will display few calyxes - singles or pairs at each internode. If such a plant is heavily pollinated, ie if all or most of those calyxes receive pollen, then it is quite possible for that plant to cease production of new calyxes and spend the rest of its life-cycle producing seeds in the few initial calyxes. In this case, the plant will not grow the oversized buds seen in most modern hybrids.
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I have personally seen early pistil pollination which resulted in "giant buds" that were about 12g+ cured (it was only a two top plant and heavy indica lineage so just 2 main colas resulted---also photoperiod was induced early aka short veg) didn't even know it was pollinated until I got to the very center of the bottom of the nugs, 2 perfect mature seeds in each bud) so while the scenario they lay out could occur, I attest to the opposite occurring in 1 case.
So aside from the glands on the pollinated calyxes almost for sure being amber (CBN not THC) by the time you are done, and a plant in a lot of stress (Water, nutrient, temperature etc) may not produce more calyxes after pollination because it is being so poorly grown and highly stressed.
I probably said this before, if not I meant to, trichomes are confirmed as having UV-screening effects. UV destabilizes DNA, especially a risk in drought situations, and so if you are maximizing trichs through stress techniques (yes UV supplementation is stress) then you probably will not notice decreased potency from pollinating because you are already around max. Keep in mind there are vast differences in stress reaction and trichome production in cultivars so it is entirely possible that people have varieties that do either stop producing new calyxes on pollination or varieties that will produce closer to max if you don't pollinate. However if you are working with elite cuts and know your stuff (supplementation/stress regimen) then pollination in controlled bursts can be a lifesaver (here in MI there is no control on seeds for patients so pile them up folks) and not a potency-killer.
Ballin you are right, if you take the weight of the seeded nug and the actual moles of THC for example and compare it to a non seeded nug and actual moles of THC, the non seeded nug will be higher moles of THC/weight. However, if you remove the seeds from the seeded nug they should be close, with perhaps a lower THC value in the seeded as a higher CBN will be able to explain the difference between the THC values no?
Oh and ballin, I'm a bit of a chemist and I don't feel comfortable saying that something (shit anything) won't change when combusted, you didn't cite a source when you claimed that the PGR product Master Reverse doesn't alter on combustion, am I to assume this claim is being made by the proprietor of the product itself? Because I have a pretty good idea what tools you would need to verify/disverify that and chances are you've never touched them and I can't find the claim anywhere. if you really want to be taken seriously on a subject like this, try sourcing some academic links...like this (if you have them):
(granted this is not on pollination or smoking PGRs but a smart mofo should be able to put this to use)
http://www.cannabismovement.org/docs/cannabis_volatiles.pdf

Before you say it, I would have posted a relevant link on cannabis pollination if I had it. The closest thing is this which includes an analysis of pollen:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1095-8339.2005.00417.x/abstract
and really not all that useful. However since most will probably not get past the abstract, if you want any info from it just PM me your question and I'll happily quote from it for you.


And to close:
Ballin, I do want to commend you for your interest in confronting disinformation, a truly noble cause. I would love to help you in this effort, I just want us to be on a certain level, and name calling is most definitely not fucking it, thinkin of you stumpy. Just stating my terms---free exchange of information of high integrity in an atmosphere of considerate civil discourse. Lets get back to it....

MPP out

ps for anyone that cares, I started my other seed crop (just 7 and in 3 days 3/7 have popped so I think the other one which is 0/25 so far may just have a really hard seed coat and need sanding/scarification) This second crop was absent the black coating but received actually more intense UV suppelementation---the strain can handle more, and one of my concerns was that I had over done the UV/water stress. Hoping to find the progeny will have increased tolerance for both, or at least similar to the mother.
I've said this elsewhere, but if you find a high gland producing strain that is also hairy (not pistils but hairs on the stem/leaf) definitely cross something with it, there is something special about the hairs and the plants ability to handle UV not sure what but other species have shown decreased UV resistance when said hairs are selectively removed (I promise I will post the article when I re-find it)
 
FatMarty

FatMarty

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That was awesome man.
Nice touch with the small not fucking it

Besides the nastiness at the end there that was a very informative poast.:-P
 
Shwagbag

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I've got 2 Jackberry females going right now as well. One is about 14 days in and the other is getting ready for flower. 2 distinctly different phenos too, so I'm hoping for a purple out of those as well. Down to my last Killing Fields female, crossing my fingers for that one too! If I get lucky I'll have 3 purple(ish) strains to throw into the mix :D
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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Mixed reviews about Cali C., don't think they are worth the cabbage. Beans may not be consistent w stability.. Sticky says somethin like, looks good- but weak potency of an herb.. and the CC owner isn't humble. This Co. is on hold, "no-buy".
 
stumpjumper

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I'm so fucking stoned, The first NYCD I chopped has been curing 3 weeks now. It has lost the green taste and has taken on a nice spicy earthy pepper flavor with a hint of something else I need to put my finger on. It is pretty expandy, gotta be careful how big a hit you take. I never take more than 3 and 3 is a little too intense. It mellows down after about 1/2 hour into a much more comfortable numb. A little heady but a nice mellow relaxation also. This stuff will be nice for muscle spasms (my condition). Should be a real good batch of cookies coming up. :)
 
FatMarty

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stumpjumper said:
My recent harvest, one plant is thoroughly seeded and while harvesting the seeds I noticed they all have this black coating on them that flakes off. I've never noticed it on any seeds before. It kind of looks like black mildew, there is no mold in the buds at all though and for being SUPER seeded the shit is potent as hell (NYCD). Matter of fact I don't notice a difference in potency from the un pollinated plant vs the pollinated...
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No one ever did answer this question, and I think I know the answer.
From my own experience I believe it is caused by seperating the seeds from the plant before the material is dried completely.

Try letting them dry on the stem longer.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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2nd post. That was my guess. cuz he said it could be scrapped of easy and I was thinking along the lines of deer antlers for some crazy ass reason. lol.
 
mipainpatient

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i apologize for my brevity as I am forced to type one handed, but I am 90% sure it is an early envelop of the ovum. I was handling a few hundred seeds and several black/silver flakes were all over my hands afterwards. Yes it will scrape off the seeds but with enough handling it seems to come off. Surely there is cultivar variation in something like this, may also relate to calyx age on pollination, which I was yapping about earlier.
 
mipainpatient

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started doing rapid rooters and older (these seeds are super fresh) seeds have been almost 100% germ rate so i'm stickin with my technique, but dirt all the way after that of course
 
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