Blue Dream & Church Valley Kush With EBB & Grow Along with Lucas Formula

So, I wanted to post a link to the thread that helped me learn a lot about the lucas system and the ebb and grow. There is one portion that he was incorrect with in the thread and I wanted to point that out before anyone else made the same mistake (I just forgot the page number otherwise I'd be more accurate in which section). It was the section about how he talks about the add back calculator and how lucas formula works. It was said that for the vegatative cycle you can run 5ml micro and 10 bloom, well this is incorrect while veg your plants can take up to 8ml/16ml as long as you slowly bring up the strength. It all depends on the lights you use. Anything higher then a 400w light Lucas recommended using the 8/16 while if your light was 400w or less you shouldn't go over the 5/10.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/237271-lucas-formula-hydroponic-grow-journal.html

Everything seems to be coming along perfect my friend! In my buddies and my bigger garden, we run 4 1000w lights in an 8x8 room. A lot of people say it's too much but it's what has worked for us. We are currently expanding and doing pretty much the same thing. We run about 8-10k lumens per sq ft. The room at it's hottest was 78.4 but now we keep it at a constant 75 and with lights off it'll drop to around 65-68. The only difference from you and I is I grow with soil and all organic. My yields could be better but as far as quality goes I haven't yet met someone to grow better. I've smoked stuff better then mine but never got to meet the grower of it. + rep and I'm subbed

Thanks for stopping by man! Yeah I was just taught hydro from the start, didn't really learn too much about soil. Whenever I did do plants in soil though, I normally went with foxfarm's ocean forest and I was able to just give it RO water the entire life span of the plants and I averaged a 7-8 oz per plant. They were outdoors, but also in 5 gallon buckets. If I would have put them in bigger pots or vegged them out longer I think I could have gotten better results. As far as organic goes, I don't mind using organic or non-organic products. But I do notice that when using organic based products I have to watch my resi alot more often for flux of the ph (In case a type of bacteria or something in the water causes it to flux) also I have to add a chiller to keep the resi temp lower then I have them currently. ALso I wouldn't be able to run H202, which helps me keep dissolved oxygen in the water, since I dont run a airstone. It's taken me quite a few runs to hopefully get my recipe down right. I can't wait to see how these girls flower. I've seen them flower before so I already know what to expect which is good, but at the same time I'm using new supplements and base nutes. I hope for better results.

Bird Gymnastics said:

Everything seems to be coming along perfect my friend! In my buddies and my bigger garden, we run 4 1000w lights in an 8x8 room. A lot of people say it's too much but it's what has worked for us. We are currently expanding and doing pretty much the same thing. We run about 8-10k lumens per sq ft. The room at it's hottest was 78.4 but now we keep it at a constant 75 and with lights off it'll drop to around 65-68. The only difference from you and I is I grow with soil and all organic. My yields could be better but as far as quality goes I haven't yet met someone to grow better. I've smoked stuff better then mine but never got to meet the grower of it. + rep and I'm subbed

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Ok, I have a question open to anyone who is willing to through in some good advice. I'm not exactly sure which bloom booster to go with, right now I'm trying to decide between MOAB and Dry KoolBloom. I already decided to not go with Big Bud, mainly because it's just as exspensive as MOAB and with MOAB I've seen better results.

To be honest, I want to try out Dry KoolBloom because its new to me and it's alittle cheaper overall then the MOAB. But I did notice that MOAB has B1 in it which helps to reduce the chance of shock and allowes for better transition. I don't know if this is necessary when you start using a bloom booster. If so I could just throw in some super thrive with the dry kool bloom and it should carry out roughly the same result?

Also I'm curious on people using sweeteners and carbloaders too. I've used bud candy with the carboload in the past from AN and had good results. But I want to try to pull out the carboload because its alittle more exspensive then I agree with. I was thinking of replacing it with Botanicares Strap which I was refered to in the first place, its just black strap molasses basically. Or I had another buddy recommend me to humboldt honey. I don't know if it works as a carb loader but I do know it works as a sweetener.

-I.MJ

Hey bro stay away from sweeteners and carbs in the ebb systems there dirty and I've seen very little if any
Positive results. Go with the dry kool bloom I've been reading up and it seems like the better choice.

Ok, I'll go with the Dry KoolBloom on this run, and I'll cut back on the carbs and sweeteners on this run as well. On the next run I'll run with the sweeteners an carb loaders and see if theres a difference. I've used them in the past and had good experiences with it thats why I want to try to introduce it into this system. Do you use any sweeteners or carb loaders at all with this system? Just curious because you said that there dirty?

I have and ended up dumping more res to clean shit now I'm down to using very little sugar daddy!
No AN sweeteners or carbs.

Knock a few crops out and get used to the ebb and she acts then move on to new stuff

Yeah I definitely hear ya, get dialed in before you try to start to increaseyield size, flavor, resin production, etc.

I did a run a few months back with the system and I had so many complications that my crop eventually went to crap, my Cap controller got messed up on 3 separate occasions and had to have it replaced a total of 3 times. Now,I love Caps products, but after an experience like that. It almost makes me cringe thinking of buying more equipment from them.

My biggest mistake in my opinion when I ran the last system was not watchingthe flood and drain cycles right away to make sure they work properly. And also was not running cal-mag, pro-silica/silica blast, and H202. My first 2 controller buckets, both had faulty drain and fill toggle switches. So my plants would get flooded, this happen with 2 separate controller buckets (and of course I took the buckets back right away every time this happened). Then the third time, the timer went bad, according to the company. The bucke titself sounded like a horrible alarm clock that wouldn't stop buzzing. Then again the bucket allowed my plants to get flooded.

Needless to say after that I was quite pissed, spending so much money on a useless bucket system that helped drown and nute lock up roughly 80 plants. Now that I’m getting the system up again, I’m in love with it all over again. Just goes to show when you run with hydroponics you need to know what’s going on at all times, because one failed part can lead to a failed crop(s).

Thanks for your feedback I really appriciate it. I hope to have a very beautiful garden similar to your soon enough

Any questions, tips, comments?

I just picked up the new Raptor hood..... f** awesome. got C.A.P. 's 8in fan for it. you can touch the glass with the exhaust running. The exhaust is like 750 cfm, and it removes enough heat for two 1000s with ease. I run one 1000 per 6 sites. they scream for more light still. they grow up to the raptor lens with 6in or less to spare just about every other day, without burn. I would feel more comfortable with the 1000s, mainly because initial cost would be cheaper to get the 1000s. and there would be less equipment to mess with. Somebody mentioned once that 600w bulbs are the same or more expensive than 1000, not sure though.

buttrick said:

I just picked up the new Raptor hood..... f** awesome. got C.A.P. 's 8in fan for it. you can touch the glass with the exhaust running. The exhaust is like 750 cfm, and it removes enough heat for two 1000s with ease. I run one 1000 per 6 sites. they scream for more light still. they grow up to the raptor lens with 6in or less to spare just about every other day, without burn. I would feel more comfortable with the 1000s, mainly because initial cost would be cheaper to get the 1000s. and there would be less equipment to mess with. Somebody mentioned once that 600w bulbs are the same or more expensive than 1000, not sure though.

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price is almost the same, but with a 600 your geting better lummin push with more lights plus your PAR is higher. spend the extra money and get more what I say

You guys are gonna be like wtf! once you see this. Just save your money from the get go, and get 1000's because you can then break it into 2 600's using a Sun Pulse Splitter. Which is what I will do. My next run I will split 2 ballasts and run 4 600's in my 12x6. As long as I remember that is.. I'm still a stoner
Or I may do a thousand in the middle and throw 2 600's on the sides. IDK yet. Throw up some ideas?
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11992
To be honest though, I'll need to do more research to see what bulbs you need in order for this to work properly, and also mag ballasts are the only ballast that it will work with. Make sure you do some research, don't just jump into this.

InsaneMJ said:

You guys are gonna be like wtf! once you see this. Just save your money from the get go, and get 1000's because you can then break it into 2 600's using a Sun Pulse Splitter. Which is what I will do. My next run I will split 2 ballasts and run 4 600's in my 12x6. As long as I remember that is.. I'm still a stoner
Or I may do a thousand in the middle and throw 2 600's on the sides. IDK yet. Throw up some ideas?
http://www.hydrofarm.com/pb_detail.php?itemid=11992
To be honest though, I'll need to do more research to see what bulbs you need in order for this to work properly, and also mag ballasts are the only ballast that it will work with. Make sure you do some research, don't just jump into this.

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I've already got a splitter and it works but try comparing x2 on a 1000 ballast and a 600 on a single 600 ballast
You won't feel the same about them anymore

What do you mean, the lumen output isn't as high as a regular 600? Im confused? At the same time I'm not expecting it to be equal, but overall surpass a regular 600 and hopefully match it to a thousand or close to it.. An also get a bigger footprint while allowing me to save money and not purchase more ballasts lol.
-I.MJ

It will do just what you want it to, and you will get a better foot print it just won't be as strong as without the splitter.
If you compare the to you would see the one that's not the splitter will be brighter by a bit.

Yeah I expect them to not run at a full 600 only because there being powered by a 1000 watt ballast. I think I'll do some more research before I fully decide whether to try them out or not.
Just curious, when you flip into flower, about roughly how long does it take for you to start seeing hairs, sex pistoles, then buds? Reason why I ask is because I've done this strain before. Normally for these strains it takes 7-12 days after flowering has started to show sex pistols and hairs. Then roughly 21-24 days later buds will appear.
On this run though, 1 day after I flipped them to the flower cycle they all have already put out hairs, and sex pistols. I'm alittle confused because it seems to have a faster response now?
-I.MJ

about the 10th day theres a good amount of hairs and a full on stretch to

Ok, I'm guessing since I'm going with a different method and different formula thats probably why their alittle early then what I'm normally used to.
Thanks for your input and help HR!
-I.MJ

Lol, Ohh btw... HR, they're starting to turn alittle light yellow, well the bottoms anyways. Looks like starting to lack nitrogen, I'll throw in some grow or mirco depending which one I have on hand. Seems like you've been runnin with this system for quite a bit. Thanks for the advice man!

Thats the reason 5/8/16 is better

Lol, Yeah. I'll probably start it off with 2 ml per gallon just for now. Since I'm doing a resi change every thursday. It's not like I don't like the add back calculator and everything, but I just notice that my plants seem to come to life alittle bit more every time I change it out. That's why I stick with a fresh resi once per week. Also I only stir up about 20 gallons at a time, so there's only like 10 12 gallons at the end of the week. Not too bad.