BML Horticulture

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Bricksquad2625

Bricksquad2625

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FranJan said:
So BML Spyders need additional cooling to work as efficiently as they should? Gotcha. That's a great design feature.
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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I thought I gave a reasonable explanation about this already, wouldn't you put a fan on your girls anyways? At least for a little LST or to keep your leaves moving and have cool air? A lot of DIY LED guys and other LED snobs don't like fans in units because they pull watts, I don't see why you have to bring up shit that you know is going to start more shit because if you read the previous posts you can already see it was brought up and argued about. The OP asked if anyone had any experience and it doesn't sound like you have any with this unit or BML, can we just answer his questions and if you want, start a thread that says BML Sucks and trash it, I don't care but lets answer the OP question and move on
 
Bricksquad2625

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FranJan said:
You're right, I'll just agree with everything everyone says all the time like a good little corparate stooge. Fuck discourse and critical thinking. Sorry to disrupt your circle jerk. And who are you in the BML world? And your explanation is a joke. My fans are for my plants, if my equipment needs fans do you think the people who want top dollar should provide it as part of their design or should they say, "it's OK, everyone's got a fan in their grow"? Yeah that's great.

And to the person who wrote me some PM I deleted, why don't you post it here for all to see.
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I'm not asking for you to agree just not be a troll, I'm no one in the BML world, just a consumer. How is my explanation a joke? Pay top dollar? you think $1,000 is a alot for a great light?LOL, these lights are purchased by Universies for research and experiments, you have no idea about the actual horticulture world, keep buying your drop ship from china Area51 or Apache
 
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hyroot

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how is it being a troll pointing a flaw in the design of a light. Which design was copied from another company. You expect the consumer to Jerry rig that flaw on their own accord? Yes $1000 is alot for a light especially with design flaws that under performs the competition which apache and a51 cost less per watt and foot print. They have higher quality diodes and heat sinks. Plenty of universities and nasa have used apache as well. They have UL certs also.. You just bad mouthed 2 superior companies your self with that implication. That's a little trollish . Having a cooling flaw only shortens the life span of the light. With led longevity is a major concern. That's why no one likes Chinese leds. Bml having cooling issues puts them in the same boat as lights that won't last.. No one is saying they won't perform. Everyone got sick of them being pushed on here and they still have yet to be proven.. show a few grows from start to finish with no failures before recommending bml. A51, apache, and inda gro have been used and shown several grows over the last few years. Gaining more popularity by their proven track record... Also a51 and apache have a life time limited warranty and inda gro has a 10 year warranty. Bml does not. A51's are also upgradeable... These companies work with people on the price as well.
 
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hyroot

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PetFlora said:
You keep harping on 'design flaw' without knowing what you are talking about

You are looking to find fault where none exists. Why? Because you stuck your foot in your mouth early on with BML, and your dumb lemmings followed. Maybe now, they are beginning to see you aren't so smart


For you there is no way out of this, except to stop making a fol of yourself, in hopes of it going away
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early on heat issues were pointed out. In the sticky threads. Or have you forgot. Remember it said removing the lenses would most likely help with that issue.

pet you stepped in it a while ago with your relentless pushing of bml...you have yet to save face. Like I said until there's a proven track record no recommendations should be made... A51 showed up on here 4 years ago. People weren't sure about them til a year later with people getting good results.

your looking to have your best grow yet. I bet these lights are best with scrog as they appear not to penetrate well towards lower growth. I have 2 plants under my a51 that are over 5 feet tall. 1/3 lower growth removed. The lower buds are chunking up nicely.
 
PetFlora

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hy, perhaps you can c/p that post or comment

Keep in mind BS and I are the only 2 here who actually have possession of a SPYDR

People tend to make assumptions without specific/first hand knowledge

Since the 3w diodes are mounted very close to the heat sink spine, heat radiates out the back of the BML bars.

The front is quite cool

I do not see how removing lenses (not that you can) would help

There is a diffuser, but it does not look like it can be removed

Not that it would help with heat, but certainly more light to the canopy
 
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Red1966

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hyroot said:
how is it being a troll pointing a flaw in the design of a light. Which design was copied from another company. You expect the consumer to Jerry rig that flaw on their own accord? Yes $1000 is alot for a light especially with design flaws that under performs the competition which apache and a51 cost less per watt and foot print. They have higher quality diodes and heat sinks. Plenty of universities and nasa have used apache as well. They have UL certs also.. You just bad mouthed 2 superior companies your self with that implication. That's a little trollish . Having a cooling flaw only shortens the life span of the light. With led longevity is a major concern. That's why no one likes Chinese leds. Bml having cooling issues puts them in the same boat as lights that won't last.. No one is saying they won't perform. Everyone got sick of them being pushed on here and they still have yet to be proven.. show a few grows from start to finish with no failures before recommending bml. A51, apache, and inda gro have been used and shown several grows over the last few years. Gaining more popularity by their proven track record... Also a51 and apache have a life time limited warranty and inda gro has a 10 year warranty. Bml does not. A51's are also upgradeable... These companies work with people on the price as well.
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Neither Apache or Area 51 have lifetime warrantees
 
Red1966

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hyroot said:
early on heat issues were pointed out. In the sticky threads. Or have you forgot. Remember it said removing the lenses would most likely help with that issue.

pet you stepped in it a while ago with your relentless pushing of bml...you have yet to save face. Like I said until there's a proven track record no recommendations should be made... A51 showed up on here 4 years ago. People weren't sure about them til a year later with people getting good results.

your looking to have your best grow yet. I bet these lights are best with scrog as they appear not to penetrate well towards lower growth. I have 2 plants under my a51 that are over 5 feet tall. 1/3 lower growth removed. The lower buds are chunking up nicely.
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BML should penetrate very well if you choose one of the more narrow view angles. Area 51 don't penetrate worth shit because of their 120 view angle, which you seem to be aware of since you remove 1/3 of your vegetation because IT DOESN'T GET ENOUGH LIGHT. Your lower buds aren't "chunking up nicely", since you REMOVED them, due to lack of penetration.
 
hyroot

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Red1966 said:
BML should penetrate very well if you choose one of the more narrow view angles. Area 51 don't penetrate worth shit because of their 120 view angle, which you seem to be aware of since you remove 1/3 of your vegetation because IT DOESN'T GET ENOUGH LIGHT. Your lower buds aren't "chunking up nicely", since you REMOVED them, due to lack of penetration.
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pet and other dude. Have to have their spyders at a few inches from the canopy. My a51 is 20 inches from the canopy. Plus 3 feet of bud sites. I removed the lower 2 feet so the plant will direct its energy to higher bud sites which in turn causes them to become larger. have you ever grown before? Hps growers practices the same methods. I've always done that. Even with my outdoor. A51 penetrates very well. ...a51 uses 80 degree lenses and always have.. Get your facts straight before posting next time
 
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spazatak

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PetFlora said:
You keep harping on 'design flaw' without knowing what you are talking about

You are looking to find fault where none exists.
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we dont need to go looking for the flaw... you explained them not using a fan and its effects nicely yourself with this beauty...

Even though BML doesn't, their light is more efficient when using one.

and this one....
PetFlora said:
Bars got much cooler after that, which is supposed to improve PAR efficacy
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Red1966

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hyroot said:
pet and other dude. Have to have their spyders at a few inches from the canopy. My a51 is 20 inches from the canopy. Plus 3 feet of bud sites. I removed the lower 2 feet so the plant will direct its energy to higher bud sites which in turn causes them to become larger. have you ever grown before? Hps growers practices the same methods. I've always done that. Even with my outdoor. A51 penetrates very well. ...a51 uses 80 degree lenses and always have.. Get your facts straight before posting next time
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It seems I DO have my facts straight........
From Area51 website, today:
2014 Area 51 LED RW-75 +
2014 Area 51 LED RW-150 +
2014 Area 51 LED XSG-190
model warranty coverage:

Bumper to Bumper warranty:
We will replace any part that fails due to manufacturing defects during the first 24 months, free of charge and we'll pay shipping.

In the event that the light needs to be sent to us for repair (highly unlikely, the lights are designed to be easily fixed and future upgraded by the customer), the customer pays shipping to us (they will be fixed in the USA), and we'll pay return shipping.

After 2 years we will still offer replacement or upgrade parts), but there is a fee for parts, it will be sold at wholesale pricing, which will be roughly $250 for the entire lamp upgrade, and shipping will be cheap because no heat sink or case needs to be shipped. That $250 is subject to change in the event that we ever use more expensive LEDs than the original, though that price will not increase much at all, if at all."

And Cree's web site says the diodes have a 115 view angle. So you shot off your mouth and were wrong.
And lollipoping an outdoor plant is just foolish.
 
hyroot

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Red1966 said:
You're not getting a whole panel, tho, just repair parts. I can understand you getting all defensive about your lights because you use them for a penis substitute, but calling me a dumbass because I corrected your error makes you the dumbass, not me.
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you didn't correct anything. You are still wrong. $250 also covers upgrades. Which is basically a whole new light. Lollipopping is leaving only the main top. Removing growth that doesn't get light is actually the smart thing to do.
 
Red1966

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hyroot said:
you didn't correct anything. You are still wrong. $250 also covers upgrades. Which is basically a whole new light. Lollipopping is leaving only the main top. Removing growth that doesn't get light is actually the smart thing to do.
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" shipping will be cheap because no heat sink or case needs to be shipped. That $250 is subject to change" So NOT "basically a whole new light"


You don't know what lollipopping is, apparently. What part of an outdoor plant doesn't get light, besides "maybe" the stem?
 
PetFlora

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hyroot said:
$250 is 50% of the cost dumbass.. The panels cost $500-$600

all diodes have 115-120 degree angles. That's why they use lenses. The led's bml uses are 120 degree angles but they use lenses / secondary optics. They drive them so soft they barely penetrate. Again get your facts straight. Read thoroughly.
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SPYDRs don't penetrate lol

Man you just dig the hole deeper and deeper.

I have 90* lenses and have penetration well below 20"

It was one of the first things I noticed

But then I can comment on a light that I am actually using, as opposed to making ignorant claims
 
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