Breeding Question

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UpInSmoke420$24

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So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain (for example: If I wanted seeds of the Girl Scout Cookies strain but I can't find any, could I buy OG Kush seeds or a clone and also buy Durban Poison seeds or a clone and crossbreed them. Would the resulting seeds from the OG Kush x Durban Poison cross that I created be considered Girl Scout Cookies seeds that I could sell under my brand) or do they just buy the original stain from the breeder and then produce a quantity of seeds from that (for example: I buy the Forum Cut Girl Scout Cookies clone and then self it to create fem seeds or so on to sell as Girl Scout Cookies seeds under my brand or I buy Mr. Nice's Black Widow seeds {original white widow} and create a quantity of seeds from those seeds I purchased from Mr. Nice, and sell them as White Widow seeds under my own brand). Just really trying to make sense of all this breeding stuff. It gets very complicated with F1's F2's F3's RBX1 BX1 IBX S1 S2 R1 R2 lmao. It is truly amazing how complex the cannabis plant is. If that was a little difficult to understand or keep up with, let me dumb it down a little bit. Maybe not dumb it down, but in the simplest way I can think of putting it...Let's use ILGM (I Love Growing Marijuana) for example. Let's use their Girl Scout Cookies for example. In order for them to call it Girl Scout Cookies...do the seeds they create to sell have to be from the original forum cut girl scout cookies or can they just buy any breeder out there's OG Kush and Durban Poison strains, cross them, and then sell the resulting seeds as Girl Scout Cookies seeds. So pretty much in lamest terms, if I bought ILGM's OG Kush and Durban Poison, and then crossed them (OG Kush x Durban Poison) would the resulting seeds be considered Girl Scout Cookies and how far off would they be from say the original Forum Girl Scout Cookies or if you were to use a different seed banks OG Kush and Durban Poison to make the Girl Scout Cookies.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain (for example: If I wanted seeds of the Girl Scout Cookies strain but I can't find any, could I buy OG Kush seeds or a clone and also buy Durban Poison seeds or a clone and crossbreed them. Would the resulting seeds from the OG Kush x Durban Poison cross that I created be considered Girl Scout Cookies seeds that I could sell under my brand) or do they just buy the original stain from the breeder and then produce a quantity of seeds from that (for example: I buy the Forum Cut Girl Scout Cookies clone and then self it to create fem seeds or so on to sell as Girl Scout Cookies seeds under my brand or I buy Mr. Nice's Black Widow seeds {original white widow} and create a quantity of seeds from those seeds I purchased from Mr. Nice, and sell them as White Widow seeds under my own brand). Just really trying to make sense of all this breeding stuff. It gets very complicated with F1's F2's F3's RBX1 BX1 IBX S1 S2 R1 R2 lmao. It is truly amazing how complex the cannabis plant is. If that was a little difficult to understand or keep up with, let me dumb it down a little bit. Maybe not dumb it down, but in the simplest way I can think of putting it...Let's use ILGM (I Love Growing Marijuana) for example. Let's use their Girl Scout Cookies for example. In order for them to call it Girl Scout Cookies...do the seeds they create to sell have to be from the original forum cut girl scout cookies or can they just buy any breeder out there's OG Kush and Durban Poison strains, cross them, and then sell the resulting seeds as Girl Scout Cookies seeds. So pretty much in lamest terms, if I bought ILGM's OG Kush and Durban Poison, and then crossed them (OG Kush x Durban Poison) would the resulting seeds be considered Girl Scout Cookies and how far off would they be from say the original Forum Girl Scout Cookies or if you were to use a different seed banks OG Kush and Durban Poison to make the Girl Scout Cookies.
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It todays pollen chuck world call em anything ya want
Marketing them is a whole different story
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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I understand you on that. There is alot of people quick to say they have a strain that is probably not even close to what they say it is. Unless you buy a reputable pack of seeds you don't know what your getting. Sometimes even the reputable breeders can be shady sometimes.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
I understand you on that. There is alot of people quick to say they have a strain that is probably not even close to what they say it is. Unless you buy a reputable pack of seeds you don't know what your getting. Sometimes even the reputable breeders can be shady sometimes.
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Now you got it
 
U

UpInSmoke420$24

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So what I am really wondering is if I have Watermelon Zkittlez by Pyramid Seeds and Spanish Moon by Lovin in her Eyes can I cross them and get the same strain as Lovin in Her Eyes Watermelon Slush? I really want the Watermelon Slush strain which is Watermelon Zkittlez x Spanish Moon, but if I already have Watermelon Zkittlez and Spanish Moon, can't I just cross them and create Watermelon Slush and save $150?
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So what I am really wondering is if I have Watermelon Zkittlez by Pyramid Seeds and Spanish Moon by Lovin in her Eyes can I cross them and get the same strain as Lovin in Her Eyes Watermelon Slush? I really want the Watermelon Slush strain which is Watermelon Zkittlez x Spanish Moon, but if I already have Watermelon Zkittlez and Spanish Moon, can't I just cross them and create Watermelon Slush and save $150?
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You can do anything you want
Grow em out pass some around to volunteers to do test grows…
Name really means nothing and people aren’t really clambering for most f1’s
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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I see. Sorry for all the questions, but if I were to do that (cross the Watermelon Zkittlez x Spanish Moon) what are the chances of the end product being close to if not identical to Watermelon Slush by Lovin in Her Eyes. Or are you better off just buying the breeders pack of Watermelon Slush if you want to end up with a plant close to the description and pictures of the strain.
Last One I promise LMAO
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
I see. Sorry for all the questions, but if I were to do that (cross the Watermelon Zkittlez x Spanish Moon) what are the chances of the end product being close to if not identical to Watermelon Slush by Lovin in Her Eyes. Or are you better off just buying the breeders pack of Watermelon Slush if you want to end up with a plant close to the description and pictures of the strain.
Last One I promise LMAO
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A definite maybe :lol:
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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I get stuck on that when buying seeds sometimes. So many hype strains out there these days that are complete garbage. Like, I smoked some Watermelon Zkittlez at my local dispensary and the stuff was amazing. Taste, smell, look, effects were out of this world. So I started growing and wanted seeds for the Watermelon Zkittlez (Watermelon Zum Zum #3 x OG Eddy) and saw that there were Pyramid Seeds Watermelon Zkittlez or Purple City Genetics. Now I heard that Purple City Genetics Watermelon Zkittlez was fucking bomb but I couldn't find a pack anywhere. They were sold out on every site. So I found Pyramids Watermelon Zkittlez which isn't as hyped online as much as Purple City. But honestly who knows? The Purple City's pheno of Watermelon Zkittlez could of came from a pack of Pyramid's Watermelon Zkittlez so who knows these days. So I grabbed the cheaper and easier to get Pyramid's strain lol
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
I get stuck on that when buying seeds sometimes. So many hype strains out there these days that are complete garbage. Like, I smoked some Watermelon Zkittlez at my local dispensary and the stuff was amazing. Taste, smell, look, effects were out of this world. So I started growing and wanted seeds for the Watermelon Zkittlez (Watermelon Zum Zum #3 x OG Eddy) and saw that there were Pyramid Seeds Watermelon Zkittlez or Purple City Genetics. Now I heard that Purple City Genetics Watermelon Zkittlez was fucking bomb but I couldn't find a pack anywhere. They were sold out on every site. So I found Pyramids Watermelon Zkittlez which isn't as hyped online as much as Purple City. But honestly who knows? The Purple City's pheno of Watermelon Zkittlez could of came from a pack of Pyramid's Watermelon Zkittlez so who knows these days. So I grabbed the cheaper and easier to get Pyramid's strain lol
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Guys that distribute rarely are honest about strains which is why it is unusual to see clones that match available strains
 
Mr. Bakerton

Mr. Bakerton

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain
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So did we get an answer to this question? I know crossing parents at home isn't the same but how is that so many different vendors can have the same seed supply? are there variations or in general are they all pretty close?

I was considering growing out the same strain from different vendors but haven't gotten around to it yet.
 
T Ray

T Ray

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain (for example: If I wanted seeds of the Girl Scout Cookies strain but I can't find any, could I buy OG Kush seeds or a clone and also buy Durban Poison seeds or a clone and crossbreed them. Would the resulting seeds from the OG Kush x Durban Poison cross that I created be considered Girl Scout Cookies seeds that I could sell under my brand) or do they just buy the original stain from the breeder and then produce a quantity of seeds from that (for example: I buy the Forum Cut Girl Scout Cookies clone and then self it to create fem seeds or so on to sell as Girl Scout Cookies seeds under my brand or I buy Mr. Nice's Black Widow seeds {original white widow} and create a quantity of seeds from those seeds I purchased from Mr. Nice, and sell them as White Widow seeds under my own brand). Just really trying to make sense of all this breeding stuff. It gets very complicated with F1's F2's F3's RBX1 BX1 IBX S1 S2 R1 R2 lmao. It is truly amazing how complex the cannabis plant is. If that was a little difficult to understand or keep up with, let me dumb it down a little bit. Maybe not dumb it down, but in the simplest way I can think of putting it...Let's use ILGM (I Love Growing Marijuana) for example. Let's use their Girl Scout Cookies for example. In order for them to call it Girl Scout Cookies...do the seeds they create to sell have to be from the original forum cut girl scout cookies or can they just buy any breeder out there's OG Kush and Durban Poison strains, cross them, and then sell the resulting seeds as Girl Scout Cookies seeds. So pretty much in lamest terms, if I bought ILGM's OG Kush and Durban Poison, and then crossed them (OG Kush x Durban Poison) would the resulting seeds be considered Girl Scout Cookies and how far off would they be from say the original Forum Girl Scout Cookies or if you were to use a different seed banks OG Kush and Durban Poison to make the Girl Scout Cookies.
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Not gonna lie I’m not even going to attempt to read that. Use the enter button and space your thoughts out. Much easier to read. That’s one hell of a run on paragraph if I’ve ever seen one. Holy fuck!

Your mind is working overtime.



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Modern Selections

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Your results will vary as you are not using the exact parents as the original breeder of the cross. You are however, using the same genetics. If you make the cross you will be able to select plants extremely close to the cross you seek through selection in the progeny.

Either select a mother from the intial cross or continue the line to find the best of the best. Most likely the breeder who made it did not go past the intial cross. By that theory, your cross should be close to what they are offering.
 
Mr. Bakerton

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Modern Selections said:
Your results will vary as you are not using the exact parents as the original breeder of the cross. You are however, using the same genetics. If you make the cross you will be able to select plants extremely close to the cross you seek through selection in the progeny.

Either select a mother from the intial cross or continue the line to find the best of the best. Most likely the breeder who made it did not go past the intial cross. By that theory, your cross should be close to what they are offering.
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So a few questions.

Is that why purchasing the same strain from different breeders can give a very different plant? Just depends on which expressions the breeder choose to prioritize?

This might be explained in seeds 101, but does it matter or specify which plant is which as the male or female?

Will the first cross yield very different expressions? I had mixed a female lava cake and male hulkberry. I'm currently growing out one of the seeds now, should I expect all the others to be similar? Different yes, but would i find one very much resembles hulk or lava or will they all kind of fit in the same range?
 
xtsho

xtsho

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With so many different versions of the same strains these days many are not even close to the originals. Some have different genetic lineage despite being called the same thing.

Making your own crosses is easy and chances are you'll end up making something better than much of the hyped "Drop" strains out there today. Just start chucking pollen and you'll find something you want.
 
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UpInSmoke420$24

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Modern Selections said:
Your results will vary as you are not using the exact parents as the original breeder of the cross. You are however, using the same genetics. If you make the cross you will be able to select plants extremely close to the cross you seek through selection in the progeny.

Either select a mother from the intial cross or continue the line to find the best of the best. Most likely the breeder who made it did not go past the intial cross. By that theory, your cross should be close to what they are offering.
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Got ya. Yeah...I have figured that much since I posted this. Good explanation though. Very good.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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Weed names are like dog names.

"He's a chi-weenie". . ..a WUT?!?!!

And, for the most part, weed lineage is kinda like dog lineage. Landrace = wolf, MAC1 = French Bulldog :lol: and, most of the "linework" has been done within a recent short blip of its entire existence.
 
Lockedin

Lockedin

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain (for example: If I wanted seeds of the Girl Scout Cookies strain but I can't find any, could I buy OG Kush seeds or a clone and also buy Durban Poison seeds or a clone and crossbreed them. Would the resulting seeds from the OG Kush x Durban Poison cross that I created be considered Girl Scout Cookies seeds that I could sell under my brand) or do they just buy the original stain from the breeder and then produce a quantity of seeds from that (for example: I buy the Forum Cut Girl Scout Cookies clone and then self it to create fem seeds or so on to sell as Girl Scout Cookies seeds under my brand or I buy Mr. Nice's Black Widow seeds {original white widow} and create a quantity of seeds from those seeds I purchased from Mr. Nice, and sell them as White Widow seeds under my own brand). Just really trying to make sense of all this breeding stuff. It gets very complicated with F1's F2's F3's RBX1 BX1 IBX S1 S2 R1 R2 lmao. It is truly amazing how complex the cannabis plant is. If that was a little difficult to understand or keep up with, let me dumb it down a little bit. Maybe not dumb it down, but in the simplest way I can think of putting it...Let's use ILGM (I Love Growing Marijuana) for example. Let's use their Girl Scout Cookies for example. In order for them to call it Girl Scout Cookies...do the seeds they create to sell have to be from the original forum cut girl scout cookies or can they just buy any breeder out there's OG Kush and Durban Poison strains, cross them, and then sell the resulting seeds as Girl Scout Cookies seeds. So pretty much in lamest terms, if I bought ILGM's OG Kush and Durban Poison, and then crossed them (OG Kush x Durban Poison) would the resulting seeds be considered Girl Scout Cookies and how far off would they be from say the original Forum Girl Scout Cookies or if you were to use a different seed banks OG Kush and Durban Poison to make the Girl Scout Cookies.
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Block-o-text is a bit tough to read - para breaks plz!

IMHO:
Yes, there are seeds / clones with original genetics
No, there's no guarantee that the seedbank you choose will have those genetics. Often they breed together a number of modern strains to achieve desired effects - in this case, "Old School"
Many are honest about it - just look for terms like, "Our take on", parentage or variations on the original name - GG#4 / GG / Gorilla Glue / Original Glue etc. are often used generically (as an example)
Humboldt Seed Co does this, but is pretty straight up about it, even showing lineage and F / BX and other details. Some of the description videos are pretty entertaining too. (I grew their OG Kush and really liked it.)
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I'm looking for Skunk #1; but I've come to the conclusion that it might not exist, and may never have truly been a "strain" as we know strains now.
The old hippy couple that I got mine from knew what they were doing - growing LOUD Skunk #1 - but there were always variations, and a lot of farmers actively bred to remove the smell to avoid detection - you could smell a large outdoor crop a LONG way off, especially if there was a NW wind (almost everyday...), so it made sense to breed out one of the things that could lead to a sentence.

It is confusing, and I'm no expert. IMHO, keep asking questions - but grow a skin - at some point you'll step on someone's shit-button and catch an eyeful, you might even spark another LED / HID controversy.
 
amneziaHaze

amneziaHaze

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UpInSmoke420$24 said:
So just a random question I was wondering. So many different seedbanks have the same strains for example...white widow, girl scout cookies, and so on. So, my question is are the actual real white widow/girl scout cookies, and other strains all from the exact same plants seeds/clone that were purchased from the breeder and then pollinated by the seed company to create a quantity of seeds to sell. Or do seedbanks create their own version of the strain by taking the two parents and cross breeding the parents to make the strain (for example: If I wanted seeds of the Girl Scout Cookies strain but I can't find any, could I buy OG Kush seeds or a clone and also buy Durban Poison seeds or a clone and crossbreed them. Would the resulting seeds from the OG Kush x Durban Poison cross that I created be considered Girl Scout Cookies seeds that I could sell under my brand) or do they just buy the original stain from the breeder and then produce a quantity of seeds from that (for example: I buy the Forum Cut Girl Scout Cookies clone and then self it to create fem seeds or so on to sell as Girl Scout Cookies seeds under my brand or I buy Mr. Nice's Black Widow seeds {original white widow} and create a quantity of seeds from those seeds I purchased from Mr. Nice, and sell them as White Widow seeds under my own brand). Just really trying to make sense of all this breeding stuff. It gets very complicated with F1's F2's F3's RBX1 BX1 IBX S1 S2 R1 R2 lmao. It is truly amazing how complex the cannabis plant is. If that was a little difficult to understand or keep up with, let me dumb it down a little bit. Maybe not dumb it down, but in the simplest way I can think of putting it...Let's use ILGM (I Love Growing Marijuana) for example. Let's use their Girl Scout Cookies for example. In order for them to call it Girl Scout Cookies...do the seeds they create to sell have to be from the original forum cut girl scout cookies or can they just buy any breeder out there's OG Kush and Durban Poison strains, cross them, and then sell the resulting seeds as Girl Scout Cookies seeds. So pretty much in lamest terms, if I bought ILGM's OG Kush and Durban Poison, and then crossed them (OG Kush x Durban Poison) would the resulting seeds be considered Girl Scout Cookies and how far off would they be from say the original Forum Girl Scout Cookies or if you were to use a different seed banks OG Kush and Durban Poison to make the Girl Scout Cookies.
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i have seen a lot of guys take the original white widow polinate it with their random seed and call it white widow. and i have seen people do the same cross breed and call it white widow. but at this point its just a name. what you want is cup winners not the names.
 
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