bubbleponics superior to aeroponics

I will never argue with a rat

So did you try it with and without on the same strain? What was the net result. Did you harvest more from one with or without tubes?

MostlyCrazy said:

Does hot air rise?

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MC, yes, of course we all know that. Now remember this - Hot air is EXPANDED aka HIGH PRESSURE air. Attic air will RUSH into a LOW PRESSURE aka COOL(er) air (growing) area. I agree with IS here - If you cut a hole in your ceiling, you're likely only to get Hot air coming down not Hot air going out like one would anticipate. You NEED a fan exhausting (against that pressure) the air up and out. A small fan will generally suffice, btw, but IS also mentioned one KEY POINT HERE - a good fan will not only push that hot air up and out, but also draw cooler air in from the rest of the (AC cooled) house. For example my Attic is ~100, my grow room is ~85 and my house is ~75. That 75 degree air gets sucked in as I expel the ~85 degree air up into the Attic. Problem solved.


Purp - c'mon now, be nice... No to dis-respect (you have my utmost respect!!) but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and what works, works. Plain and simple.

IMHO, y'all are arguing about titanium putters still, so let's please stop this ruckus about tubes or no tubes and just move on?

Purp - c'mon now, be nice... No to dis-respect (you have my utmost respect!!) but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and what works, works. Plain and simple.

IMHO, y'all are arguing about titanium putters still, so let's please stop this ruckus about tubes or no tubes and just move on? [/QUOTE]

i tried i tried but he went to admin sayin i said he was full of sh*t.Which i did.I told him that this was not a discussing matter and has been discussed 100000 times if he would just read..but no lets go to admin.

purpdaddy said:

Check my background

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I'll get on wiki

smppro said:

I'll get on wiki

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check my profile.Scared you might see sumthin you aint never done?

purpdaddy said:

check my profile.Scared you might see sumthin you aint never done?

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It looks like a bunch of bubbleponics, did i miss something? They look nice by the way.

Ok how does moving hot water get cooler when the air around it is the same temp? Please explain the science in this?

And also the pump itself heats up so its not gonna cool the water unless it can cool it faster then the heat off the pump tself heats up the buckett.

Hows the pump cool it when the pump itself gets warm? Sounds like a pump would warm the water eh?

Roseman said:

Running, moving water IS cooler than standing water is the point.

So, What Is Bubbleponics, Exactly, compared to Drip or Aeroponic?

The world’s first continuous plant feeding system, Bubbleponics is a hybrid design that takes the best from both worlds of the Deep Water Culture (aka DWC, “bubbler”) and Drip systems. Since the nutrient mix is highly oxygenated, Bubbleponics converts its drip function to a constant feed flow directly to the inner roots. Without needing to take breaks or use a timer to allow the root base to drain and absorb oxygen, plants in the Bubbleponic system are able to deliver unparalleled growth energy.

This advantage is particularly pronounced during early vegetative phases when the plant’s root mass is still relatively small. Cuttings placed into the system experience no noticeable transplant shock and practically start growing immediately. In experiments measured against leading aeroponic systems, the Bubbleponic design shaved, on average, four days from a two week growing cycle, a 30% growth rate increase over Aeroponics in the early vegetative stage; truly amazing. As the root mass of the respective plants grow larger, growth rate advantages were less evident, however, the plants in the Bubbleponic planter maintained their 4-5 day lead over the aeroponic plants throughout the cycle.

In a series of stress tests, plants in the Bubbleponic system performed remarkably when recovering from an over-fertilized condition. With almost the entire root mass destroyed, Bubbleponics was able to revive 67% of the plants which started re-growing new roots and were able to complete their cycle. None of the other plants in the aeroponic products survived this stress test. The tests concluded that the Bubbleponic system provided significant recovery advantages over other systems when it came to anything that stressed or killed that root mass.

Hub Feeding Ensures Consistency

The Bubbleponic design is, ironically enough, one of the first hydroponic products to use real irrigation parts. This includes a hub feed system, where the main flow from the water pump is broken up into 6 smaller feeder tubes via a pressure regulating irrigation distributor. No other plant’s sites are thus dependant on any other as they would be in most drip systems that use T’ed designs. This also ensures identical feeding conditions at each site.


The Ideal Maintenance Solution

Almost all the parts used can be obtained from a local hardware store or Walmart or A Pet Store.. By using mainstream brands in the design it allows the end user to easily replace individual parts in a pinch through out their many years of bubbleponicing!

The entire irrigation system can be dismantled by hand, requiring no tools. The distribution hub’s cap can be unscrewed to remove the plastic filter inside. Once dismantled, the parts can easily be cleaned and re-assembled. No other system, and I’ve seen my share, allows you such easy access to the nuts and bolts. All other hype aside, if there was ever a reason to consider purchasing a hydro kit, maintenance should be at the top of the list.

Easy As Pie

Considering that there are no timers to set and tweak for the water pump, and that the unit is totally self contained and mobile, this is one of the simplest designs around. From setup to final clean up, bar none, one of the best high speed hydroponic systems on the market. Bubbleponics has raised the bar and changes everything we are to expect from modern hydroponics.

Amen.

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most of that crap is a flat out lie.

its directly quoted from Stealth Hydroponic... a company who puts hydro systems together using cheap products and overprices them

OF COURSE they tell you this, so you can buy it.


there is no way a 'bubbleponics' machine is out doing ANY aeroponics system...

and it damn sure aint shaving 4 days off compared to aero

btw, moving water may be cooling than standing water

but you are misleading people when you say that you keep your pump on 24/7 because it keeps the water cooler.

thas total BS as your pump heats up water as its running 24/7

LoudBlunts said:

most of that crap is a flat out lie.

its directly quoted from Stealth Hydroponic... a company who puts hydro systems together using cheap products and overprices them

OF COURSE they tell you this, so you can buy it.


there is no way a 'bubbleponics' machine is out doing ANY aeroponics system...

and it damn sure aint shaving 4 days off compared to aero

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thanks for the response
i was thinking the same thing....thats y i put the thread.....
i guess there r alot of kiss-assout there

Never tried "Bubbleponics". DWC works just fine, and you can grow large scale with it if you desire. I've seen 48 plants grown out via DWC like Bubbleponics but the setup/work envolved seemed kinda hands on at the time. I really didn't know much about growing when i first saw the setup though. It is a fairly easy growing method though, and it does work.

Aero would have to be my favorite at this point due to my experiences with it. Stepping up to a "large" garden is just as complex as any other grow, if not a little more complex. If you know what your doing, or don't mind the "bumps in the road" then Aero is pretty fun.

I really enjoyed setting up our newest Aero grow. Took a bit of time to get everything correct, but at least it was done the right way. It produces VERY well now for us.

DWC vs Aero...apples, oranges.....Whatever suits your taste buds, as long as it works for you.

I agree that different strokes for different folks is the way to grow. I use the BP because I can start cracked seeds and not have to hand water. The bp is a starter system for newbs to learn and if they are not the exploring type use for every closet grow from then on. You can learn anyway that makes sense to you and there is room for all styles. No use in picking at each other.

who's picking?

who said there arent different strokes for different folks?


im answering a question. i also saw false information and im stating the real.

surely no harm in that, right?

"This crap is a flat out lie" is kind of harsh. No it isn't a flat out lie! He knows what he is talking about. You are making a statement and not answering a question. Just want to know if you have any personal test data. Do you have a BP system?

I have two and 2 E&f systems. I've grown hempy also. When do you put the plants in the system. How much root do they have to have before you transfer from the propagation tray?

MostlyCrazy said:

"This crap is a flat out lie" is kind of harsh. No it isn't a flat out lie! He knows what he is talking about. You are making a statement and not answering a question. Just want to know if you have any personal test data. Do you have a BP system?

I have two and 2 E&f systems. I've grown hempy also. When do you put the plants in the system. How much root do they have to have before you transfer from the propagation tray?

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kind of harsh? what's harsh about it?

I guess the Truth really does hurt.

i wasnt insulting nor talking shit to Roseman...and im sure he knows that. Never did i once say that Roseman doesnt know anything.... but you need to realize just because you think he knows his shit, that doesnt mean that God stop giving out brains and knowledge about Hydroponics. Its not that hard. Besides....he didnt write that....its some marketing rhetoric from Stealth Hydroponic.

The truth? no, not at all

Yes, i VERY well was answering question.... As a matter of fact the original poster's question.... NOT TO MENTION he thanked me.


I have plenty of personal data. I've built and used just about EVERY system there is to grow in (INCLUDING DWC aka what you call bubbleponics).

No i do not use any crap SH products. I'd rather not spend $150-200 for a $1 Sterlite Tote and some cheap pumps. I'd rather take that money and BUILD MY OWN with more quality res and parts and save money.


you question my personal data and my systems.... well maybe that a bad idea for you.....as i have no problem showing off/bragging....since you seem to be implying that i know nothing at all




clear tubs coated black....then let dried...and coated white





prop rack complete with custom ebb and flow for plants ready to go into flowering tent. Prop rack each shelf is laced with Sunleaves T5 lighting fixture, bottom shelf is 2ft 8bulb. shelf above is 2ft 4bulb.







another custom ebb and flow i've built to house mothers in my SOG cab



a custom built aero cloner










roots formed in 3 days



and they get sexy in just 5 days








LESS THAN 5 days of veg from those tiny tiny roots:




















you say you wannna know about my roots? LOL you asked for it...








you seem to be implying i dont have any knowledge or skills.... need i bring up a custom build Sea of Green cab that i build from scratch? 4 custom ebb and flow system. Each tray sits in for 2 weeks and gets harvested every 2 weeks






flower side



mother and daughter chamber





sooooo

soooo the moral of the story is....


if somebody is trying to tell you something and they disagree with your 'favorite' grower, dont be a fanboy. pull up a chair and listen...and if you STILL dont blv.... get both opinions, google and investigate for yourself and experiment YOURSELF. DONT BE A FANBOY. draw your own conclusions

just because there is dissent or disagreement doesnt mean somebody is not right. you almost sound like Nancy Pelosi calling the protestors 'un-american' for protesting.....


last but not least, im on this forum to teach and learn myself. i dont spend my time on here helping/writing advice and helpful tips for NOTHING. why would i waste my breath? better yet....why would my rep be so high?

so come again before you assume or imply anything. thanks

LoudBlunts said:

soooo the moral of the story is....


if somebody is trying to tell you something and they disagree with your 'favorite' grower, dont be a fanboy. pull up a chair and listen...and if you STILL dont blv.... get both opinions, google and investigate for yourself and experiment YOURSELF. DONT BE A FANBOY. draw your own conclusions

just because there is dissent or disagreement doesnt mean somebody is not right. you almost sound like Nancy Pelosi calling the protestors 'un-american' for protesting.....


last but not least, im on this forum to teach and learn myself. i dont spend my time on here helping/writing advice and helpful tips for NOTHING. why would i waste my breath? better yet....why would my rep be so high?

so come again before you assume or imply anything. thanks

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nice setup
all i got is a lil diy 6 plant aero system

thank you Moash.

I hope i answered YOUR question, seeing as though this is YOUR thread.


i just wanted to filter the bullshit for you.

im not in any way saying bubbleponics is trash or whatever. I am however, not fond of a 'garden' company exploiting growers and charging insane prices aka highway robbery aka Stealth Hydro, especially when you can do it for cheaper and will be happier!!

and i also wanted to clear the air about the misinformation in your thread with reference to running pumps constantly 24/7 WILL heat your nute soup up alot more (considering the pump is in the res itself) Mechanical energy and all that jazz creates HEAT. To say it doesnt would be a blatant lie

and also about which is superior and inferior. Aeroponics is definitely superior to any growing technique right now (besides Ultra Sonic Fogging and that is kinda a spin off out the Aeroponics family and isnt fully developed enough to grow full mature plants in as the roots will block the fog)

I knew I wasnt crazy thanks loudblunts...... And nice setup havent really looked into aeroponics might be what I need to do keeping up with drip is exhausting sence I changed nutes and bubbleponics just doesnt seem logical compared to other methods for big setupps not saying it didnt work I was saying Its not as good though.