zubey91
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what about the smoke itself.. i notice its much much smoother.
BUD WASHING- the truth
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what about the smoke itself.. i notice its much much smoother.
testiclees
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the thread is called "the truth bud washing" all you nit wits who have never done it but feel like your ignorance is worth posting... wtf cant you fucking read you dont know the truth bitches. Your opinion is worthless bullshit.
In true stoner-site style the most clueless / least informed are the loudest and most desperate to be the know it all.
"Filter out most of the fuzz" <---assholery
In true stoner-site style the most clueless / least informed are the loudest and most desperate to be the know it all.
"Filter out most of the fuzz" <---assholery
TootyMcButtsqueaks
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i legitimately didnt know why you needed to so badly. you probably could get a decent DWC going using a dedicated toilet though...
justanoldtimer
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This is akin to the old water curing method from years ago.
yes it works.
yes it smoothes out the smoke.
yes you do loose a little extra weight this way but you get a better product.
you would not want to do this to a strain known for its flavor, like say bubble gum...
as you will loose the flavor but it will be smooth.
your trics will be fine.
Peace
yes it works.
yes it smoothes out the smoke.
yes you do loose a little extra weight this way but you get a better product.
you would not want to do this to a strain known for its flavor, like say bubble gum...
as you will loose the flavor but it will be smooth.
your trics will be fine.
Peace
SomeGuy
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Sorry. But it is not a water cure. That is a method unto itslef and produces shit results.
It's a wash off and that's it. Is it really that hard to imagine. Hopefully your washing veggies off? Same idea. Thc is an oil and will not dissolve in water. --basic chemistry--
It is smoother because of the lack of dust and other airborne contaminate and micro organisms. It will also remove sprays etc used during flower. That's it.
Regardless... Those who have actually tried it usually are pleased with results if done right. ESPECIALLY noticeable on outdoor and greenhouse bud. But you will still remove some off of indoor even with filters etc.
I'm asthmatic. For me it makes a difference.
It's a wash off and that's it. Is it really that hard to imagine. Hopefully your washing veggies off? Same idea. Thc is an oil and will not dissolve in water. --basic chemistry--
It is smoother because of the lack of dust and other airborne contaminate and micro organisms. It will also remove sprays etc used during flower. That's it.
Regardless... Those who have actually tried it usually are pleased with results if done right. ESPECIALLY noticeable on outdoor and greenhouse bud. But you will still remove some off of indoor even with filters etc.
I'm asthmatic. For me it makes a difference.
texasjack
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I couldn't tell but I'm hardly a connoisseur
justanoldtimer
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someguy, I'm asthmatic too.
from my point of view.....
no matter how you slice the cake, It is a partial water cure.
But I respect your opinion and right to do it anyway you see fit.
good luck
from my point of view.....
no matter how you slice the cake, It is a partial water cure.
But I respect your opinion and right to do it anyway you see fit.
good luck
qwizoking
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once upon a time roughly 1000 acres burnt up on my ranch...quite common in west tx.. i thought natures slash and burn tek would give me ok results. i planted in that ashy dirt and they did surprisingly well.
when harvest came along the buds looked great, but when i broke one down to try, my fingers came back black with ash...shit i cant sell this..
so i tried "washing" or whatever.. got eh a good portion of the crap off the buds. but lost a lot of the natural flavor....
theres no line to cross when talking polarity, we're all familiar with butane..its "very" slightly water soluble..enough to pull color if too long of an extraction.
the trichome heads are made of fatty acids, esters and alcohols even if a fairly long chain...that should register in your mind the inevitable polarity difference and what constitutes an acid ester or alcohol..
http://www.leffingwell.com/chirality/acyclics.htm
ive posted this a couple times, ita cool
lighter terps and again the flavorful esters etc can be lost in this washing.. terps can form an azeotrope with the water as well as being hygroscopic... which is also something to note..especially when making bho or whatever
anyway theres my penny on the truth
when harvest came along the buds looked great, but when i broke one down to try, my fingers came back black with ash...shit i cant sell this..
so i tried "washing" or whatever.. got eh a good portion of the crap off the buds. but lost a lot of the natural flavor....
theres no line to cross when talking polarity, we're all familiar with butane..its "very" slightly water soluble..enough to pull color if too long of an extraction.
the trichome heads are made of fatty acids, esters and alcohols even if a fairly long chain...that should register in your mind the inevitable polarity difference and what constitutes an acid ester or alcohol..
http://www.leffingwell.com/chirality/acyclics.htm
ive posted this a couple times, ita cool
lighter terps and again the flavorful esters etc can be lost in this washing.. terps can form an azeotrope with the water as well as being hygroscopic... which is also something to note..especially when making bho or whatever
anyway theres my penny on the truth
zubey91
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unless i'm blasting.. which i don't do anymore.. butane is a no no i acutally have noticed an increase in smell and taste after i wash with the sodium bicarbonate.
hyroot
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Trichome heads are a waxy membrane. The oil is inside the membrane. Water / moisture is the enemy of trichomes. They will even absorb moisture out of the air fast an easily. Trichomes are designed by nature to fall off very easily. Dunking in warm water can and will oxidize and knock off trichome heads. Even brushing against the plant can knock off trichome heads.
If you make dry sift. If you dry all the material til it's crispy. The trichomes still will not be dry. The trichs take twice as long as the plant material to dry.
So.you know I grow for trichomes more than yield. So I would never ever wash my plants after chopping. If they're that contaminated with particulates. Then I wouldn't even smoke them.
When you make bubble / ice water hash you always do a 30 second pre rinse dunk though. To remove particulates
Never ever introduce trichomes to warm water. And warm temps unless you're making rosin or charas. That just removes the oil from the waxy membrane.you are only applying heat for 5 seconds though.
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xmatox
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Soooooooo..... cold water is good to go? lol
hyroot
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No water unless you're making bubble hash. Again moisture is the enemy of trichomes.
Warmth or heat will cause oxidation to occur faster.
If making bubble hash make sure the water is below 40 degrees. Make sure your ambient room temp is 60 degrees or below. And humidity below 20%
SomeGuy
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Im not one to argue usually. But I have quite a bit of experience doing this. It does not do what you say in practice. Ive looked under scope several times through the many many times Ive done this. I even went so far as to send my wash water through bubble bags... NO trichomes. Just junk. Not tons but still enough that I dont want it on my smoke. The heads do not break away or melt away. HONEST LOL It takes ice and very cold water w agitation to make it happen. Ive made bubble by hand enough now to know how much work it really does take to get them off the material. I think if one used hot water it might react the way you describe. But trichomes are not quite as fragile as people believe IMO.
So far not one person has ever complained of non-potent bland tasting buds that I have washed... Mostly I have received excellent feed back since starting this some 2+ years ago.
But hey... do as you will.
I just share my experience. For those reading, give it a shot. see what you think. I highly recommend trying it on any outdoor you grow. Youll be amazed at what the water looks like after an even short 15sec dip on outdoor.. LOL
take care all
xmatox
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Interesting indeed. I thought dipping it in water wouldn't take the trichomes off, which is why we have to stir the bubble hash in the water for a bit to get them off? ...
hyroot
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Im not one to argue usually. But I have quite a bit of experience doing this. It does not do what you say in practice. Ive looked under scope several times through the many many times Ive done this. I even went so far as to send my wash water through bubble bags... NO trichomes. Just junk. Not tons but still enough that I dont want it on my smoke. The heads do not break away or melt away. HONEST LOL It takes ice and very cold water w agitation to make it happen. Ive made bubble by hand enough now to know how much work it really does take to get them off the material. I think if one used hot water it might react the way you describe. But trichomes are not quite as fragile as people believe IMO.
So far not one person has ever complained of non-potent bland tasting buds that I have washed... Mostly I have received excellent feed back since starting this some 2+ years ago.
But hey... do as you will.
For those reading, give it a shot. see what you think. I highly recommend trying it on any outdoor you grow. Youll be amazed at what the water looks like after an even short 15sec dip on outdoor.. LOL
take care all
Its not really the agitation. When making hash you want little agitation. The key is to be gentle as can be. The cold water is just a medium or tool used to collect the heads in a cold environment without having to slow dry your buds at 50 degrees for 4 weeks to make sift. Too much agitation will put all kinds of plant matter in your hash. The heads will sink to the bottom of the water.
Try making sift finger tapping method. No agitation at all. All the trichome heads fall off.
Hash you just want the heads. The trichome stalks always stay on the material unless you're too rough.
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xmatox
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Good stuff! Thanks hyroot
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