Actually the Main purpose of Hoover was to provide irrigation by damming the Colorado river, power generation was the secondary reason. But that is neither here nor there and I completely agree that spending on infrastructure is the best way government can spend the people's tax dollars. Good infrastructure benefits EVERYONE.
Budget Show Down. Tea Party Demands Government Shut Down
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MuyLocoNC
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One could make the argument that the record number of filibusters was due to the unprecedented amount of way out in left field, progressive garbage that was trying to be rammed through. However, as was stated earlier, they never even tried when they still had a filibuster proof majority.
It's been said countless times and the fact that cannot be debated, the Democrats had a SUPER MAJORITY for a very long time, the Republicans could NOT filibuster anything successfully unless there were Democrats who also had issues.
You don't get to argue against that...it's a matter of record.
You can't say they were obstructionists simply because conservatives refuse to vote for progressive garbage (just like health care reform), that's what they are there for, to vote against legislation that they believe their constituents would flatly reject.
I'm sorry if that whole Democratic process is inconvenient to the progessive agenda, but if they hadn't reached too far, as they always do, they wouldn't have had members of their own party opposing it and they could not have been stopped.
Same scenario goes for the budget. Democrats and the MSM only ever call for compromise when the Republicans have power. They've played that game one too many times now and the Republicans have hopefully learned their lesson and will demand fiscal sanity, starting with their own. And they really need to come off this strict line against weed too, it's straight up bullsh!t.
TheDemocrat
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tea baggers are a bunch of fucking losers.....
Serapis
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I would not agree to a one week. Let's get this done and move on with the Nation's business.
Mr Neutron
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now there's an objective statement...
Johnnyorganic
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mame
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Weak argument. They had a supermajority for what.. 4 months(remember, whats-his-name died)? It wasn't budget season btw.
This argument would hold water except that the Republicans blocked many non-controversial bills for the sake of obstructing. They blocked several of Obama's appointments (and no, they weren't a bunch of leftist wackjobs...) for the sake of obstruction. The level of obstructionism during the 111th congress was absolutely unprecedented.
"You don't get to argue against that...it's a matter of record."
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Ernst
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Just because there was a flame post doesn't mean we all have to blog about it.
I'm hearing now that the hold outs are demanding punishment for abortions as a condition for passing a budget.
I assume it is the freshman Tea Party that is claiming to not be full of shit and supposed to be for the people but who are acting like pirates looting the budget booty.
I remind everyone if we cut for the people it will end up in the hands of the Military or the ultra-wealthy because resources are finite so taking away from one is the only way to put it in the pockets of the other.
What they are saying is that there isn't any more room to expand our economic system so they have to cut what has already been allotted to make room for more "economic growth." Read as Profits for the Wealthy!
Tea party isn't offering us more freedom they are making sure their freedom they want is protected.
I'm hearing now that the hold outs are demanding punishment for abortions as a condition for passing a budget.
I assume it is the freshman Tea Party that is claiming to not be full of shit and supposed to be for the people but who are acting like pirates looting the budget booty.
I remind everyone if we cut for the people it will end up in the hands of the Military or the ultra-wealthy because resources are finite so taking away from one is the only way to put it in the pockets of the other.
What they are saying is that there isn't any more room to expand our economic system so they have to cut what has already been allotted to make room for more "economic growth." Read as Profits for the Wealthy!
Tea party isn't offering us more freedom they are making sure their freedom they want is protected.
A "Scarlett Letter," perhaps. A big red 'A' that anyone who receives an abortion must wear for the rest of their life.
Ernst
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I think we will solve the Abortion debate if anyone who gets a woman pregnant when she didn't want to be can be sued in court for damages.
Someone said once: Abortion will be a right protected by law and God if men could get pregnant.
But the Teapublicans are just nut cases.. This is supposed to be a budget.
So it heads into a shut down so Teapublicans can prove they have some power?
Someone said once: Abortion will be a right protected by law and God if men could get pregnant.
But the Teapublicans are just nut cases.. This is supposed to be a budget.
So it heads into a shut down so Teapublicans can prove they have some power?
Ernst
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Call it a sex tax.
Ernst
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Ahh but for many Planned Parenthood is the only place they can get contraceptives.
So I take it that you may feel it is unfair if you have sex with a woman and then you find out she is pregnant that you should be mandated to change your life's plans to economically support that child?
Interesting isn't it that Teapublicans want to outlaw Family Planning.
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Serapis
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So now the GOP wants to bring morality into the budget debate....
They want to strip title 10 funds from Planned Parenthood. Those same funds by law, cannot be used to fund an abortion, yet they are making the case that it funds related activities..... Well, if pre-natal scans and testing and contraceptives are all related to an actual abortion, I'd buy that. However, abortions cannot be funded by tax payer dollars, just the way it should be. Why would you want to strip away birth control, pre-natal health consultations, medical services for pregnant women, etc....
The GOP just crossed the line with women. I hope they remember it in Nov 2012.
They want to strip title 10 funds from Planned Parenthood. Those same funds by law, cannot be used to fund an abortion, yet they are making the case that it funds related activities..... Well, if pre-natal scans and testing and contraceptives are all related to an actual abortion, I'd buy that. However, abortions cannot be funded by tax payer dollars, just the way it should be. Why would you want to strip away birth control, pre-natal health consultations, medical services for pregnant women, etc....
The GOP just crossed the line with women. I hope they remember it in Nov 2012.
Ernst
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The Funky part is no federal funds are used for abortions.
They want to shut them down just because abortion services/counselling are part of what planned parenthood do without federal monies.
Why are we taking the budget out on our woman?
They are our Mothers, Wives, Sisters and friends why not cut a few nuclear bombs?
They want to shut them down just because abortion services/counselling are part of what planned parenthood do without federal monies.
Why are we taking the budget out on our woman?
They are our Mothers, Wives, Sisters and friends why not cut a few nuclear bombs?
mame
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The argument conservatives are using is that funding PP for non-abortion related services indirectly funds abortions because PP then has money freed up to spend on Abortions that they otherwise wouldn't have.
The problem is, taking government funds from Planned Parenthood will only serve to destroy non abortion related services that they would no longer be able to afford.